NOW the border czar wants to build a wall, but only if she is elected

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/...ip-flops-border-wall

So maybe now they will show us competing plans for execution?

Dems pandering for Votes. EVERYTHING she will do her First Day in Office!!! She has been in Office for 3 1/2 Miserable Years!!!

She won't have any stroke to get Meheco to pay for it if she isn't President.

She wants to overthrow the government and install herself as dictator?

ABSOLUTELY And Jail MAGA!!!

And I still believe the Wall to be an Easter of resources that will see de minimis gain.

Trump's probably not the best source of ideas.
He pays people to think for him, and chooses them poorly.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And I still believe the Wall to be an Easter of resources that will see de minimis gain.

You're going to have to translate this for me. Sometimes, I think guys on this forum are speaking in code just to make me feel stupid. Regards, Bill.

I still believe the wall to be a waste of resources with de minimus gains.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I still believe the wall to be a waste of resources with de minimus gains.

That's well and good but our "Border Czar" suddenly, amazingly, thinks it's a great idea.....

Kama, kama, kama, kameleon......

She has nothing.....except the msm.....And idiots....

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And I still believe the Wall to be an Easter of resources that will see de minimis gain.

You're going to have to translate this for me. Sometimes, I think guys on this forum are speaking in code just to make me feel stupid. Regards, Bill.

Only Joshua and Frank in the laurels.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I still believe the wall to be a waste of resources with de minimus gains.

Then why is there walls around the white house, Joe's house, and obamas enclave?

Do you also think locks are equally low value? Doors, cars, safes?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I still believe the wall to be a waste of resources with de minimus gains.

Then why is there walls around the white house, Joe's house, and obamas enclave?

Do you also think locks are equally low value? Doors, cars, safes?

Walls work great when progs want them

We could build a Friendship fence! Oh, wait...
Bill.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I still believe the wall to be a waste of resources with de minimus gains.

Then why is there walls around the white house, Joe's house, and obamas enclave?

Do you also think locks are equally low value? Doors, cars, safes?

Walls work great when progs want them

One obvious difference between your examples and a border wall is that the "progs" as you call them have regular security checks to make sure no one is using ladders or digging tunnels on their walls.

Whereas an isolated border wall would require ten times more border guards to patrol.

Weirdly enough, Trump's Republican Party shot down a new border bill that would have provided for additional border guards...

Weirdly enough that same bill didn't do anything with 8500 PER DAY allowed before next steps. 1.85m more illegals per year...

Judging by your comments, you have never ridden a fence line as part of your daily duties

The tunnels that exist today are in Heavily populated areas, often within a mile of the official port (crossing in general English)

But, hey, I am willing to be informed, can you show me where Harris' (see what i did there) proposed border wall has explicit callouts for ignoring Normal maintenance of every other government fence/wall? Pretty standard facilities maintenance plan, in use with like every wall under government control

Cute attempt at a strawman though

The daily quota of refugee claimants was jointly agreed by both parties--until Trump pulled the strings on his puppets in Congress and they shot down the bill.

"Jointly"

Well Roland that fine plan was not agreed upon by everyone, the house had a much better plan but the Dems did not support it.
But to go over some of the fine points of the plan you like
1. Codified catch and release
2. Put into law illegal immigrants were give immediate work permits
3. Put into law that illegal immigrants would be given taxpayer funded attorneys
4. Gave billions to sanctuary cities
5. Set up a guaranteed 1.8 million allowed in each year

Fine plan

Next, Chairman Ka Mao La will want to grab pussy

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
NOW the border czar wants to build a wall, but only if she is elected

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/...ip-flops-border-wall

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And I still believe the Wall to be an Easter of resources that will see de minimis gain.

Them Eastrers of resources are just damned due minimis!!!!!

I'm sure glad I skipped college......

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Originally posted by TomP:
Trump's probably not the best source of ideas.
He pays people to think for him, and chooses them poorly.

Oh dear God! I can't believe you actually wrote that after almost FOUR years of obiden/ harris!

Are you on dope?


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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I still believe the wall to be a waste of resources with de minimus gains.

Then why is there walls around the white house, Joe's house, and obamas enclave?

Do you also think locks are equally low value? Doors, cars, safes?

Walls work great when progs want them

One obvious difference between your examples and a border wall is that the "progs" as you call them have regular security checks to make sure no one is using ladders or digging tunnels on their walls.

Whereas an isolated border wall would require ten times more border guards to patrol.

Weirdly enough, Trump's Republican Party shot down a new border bill that would have provided for additional border guards...

Wow Roland.....wouldn't it be easier for the border patrol to watch a wall than 100s of miles of wide open spaces.......kinda like your example....walls work when you want them to.....

Yep that bill woulda provided more employees to process illegals into the country.....stop the drivel.....

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by TomP:
Trump's probably not the best source of ideas.
He pays people to think for him, and chooses them poorly.

Oh dear God! I can't believe you actually wrote that after almost FOUR years of obiden/ harris!

Are you on dope?


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Jim
They are just practicing their love letters to "Dear Leader" or Der leader.. not quite sure

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
"Jointly"

Apparently not by a majority......


Else it would have passed......just sayin....



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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Well Roland that fine plan was not agreed upon by everyone, the house had a much better plan but the Dems did not support it.
But to go over some of the fine points of the plan you like
1. Codified catch and release
2. Put into law illegal immigrants were give immediate work permits
3. Put into law that illegal immigrants would be given taxpayer funded attorneys
4. Gave billions to sanctuary cities
5. Set up a guaranteed 1.8 million allowed in each year

Fine plan

Whoops!

Thst plan could survive the Filibuster, was negotiated by Conservatives from the South West, and could survive the veto.

The House plan was not bipartisan. It could not survive filibuster not veto.

It was never an exercise in good governance or good faith.

Heym the plan was a piece of shit

What plans!

He failed in the biggest one he had.

To be re-elected!

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Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by TomP:
Trump's probably not the best source of ideas.
He pays people to think for him, and chooses them poorly.

Oh dear God! I can't believe you actually wrote that after almost FOUR years of obiden/ harris!

Are you on dope?

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"Whatabout" isn't going to feed the bulldog.
I'm no more pleased with Biden than Trump.
It is kind of small-minded to assume that disliking Trump means approval of Biden.

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Heym the plan was a piece of shit

Unadulterated!

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Well Roland that fine plan was not agreed upon by everyone, the house had a much better plan but the Dems did not support it.
But to go over some of the fine points of the plan you like
1. Codified catch and release
2. Put into law illegal immigrants were give immediate work permits
3. Put into law that illegal immigrants would be given taxpayer funded attorneys
4. Gave billions to sanctuary cities
5. Set up a guaranteed 1.8 million allowed in each year

Fine plan

You have cherry-picked parts of the bill you don't like. Weirdly, you didn't provide a link or authority for your claims.

1. I don't know what "codified catch and release" means. What would they be doing under the new bill that they're not doing now?

2. I support limited work permits so the illegals can support themselves instead of becoming public charges. This should not delay the deportation process. I don't know what the bill provides for in this respect. You never supported your claim with an authority I could check. I don't have time to do your research for you.

3. Aren't illegals already being provided taxpayer-funded attorneys in at least some cases? I disagree with this practice, if it does take place. What part of the bill provided for this?

4. Cities that have been overwhelmed should be assisted by the government who's caused the problem, without regard to whether they're so-called sanctuary cities.

5. I question your facts here. I suspect the number you give may not be accurate; I suspect it may be more like this: the bill's proponents did not give a "guaranteed" number of illegals, but a do-not-exceed target, knowing that some illegal immigration would inevitably occur.

Actually. It does . 8,5000 per day max, then the guardrails kick for 8,501 one and so on...

But my, the audacity to claim someone else is cherry picking and without link.. oh, the shame.. of nearly every poster.. you, for example, didn't provide a link to the amendment (the bill passed the amendment didnt) that you referred to

Yeah, I am guilty too.

If I'm called to support my own claims, the onus is on me to support them.

But I don't have to, nor have the time to, research every questionable claim made by others.

The burden is on the proponent of a claim to prove it.

Increasingly there is no place in our government for compromise. The border bill was a compromise. Both sides getting some of what they wanted, not getting other aspects of what they wanted and both going away with a partial loaf. That is unacceptable to the left and right fringe. They have become the adult equivalents of “I’ll just take my ball and go home” children. So Lindsey says he did not like big parts of bill. Guess what, those on the left did not like big parts of the bill either. That’s why it is called compromise. There is an old saying that a good compromise is one that leaves both sides dissatisfied. That’s what the border bill did. Unfortunately we have folks today that do not appreciate that our government cannot function without compromise and they are prepared to have no loaf at all versus half a loaf. As a consequence, nothing gets done and everyone just bitches and complains.

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Originally posted by MJines:
compromise.

Weird. 1.85 million more illegals per year, with zero safeguards, isn't a compromise, it's an invasion

And what resulted? A 2500 per day max per EO...

Even biden agreed 8500 was way too much...

Weird

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
If I'm called to support my own claims, the onus is on me to support them.

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But this is discussing YOUR claim and exact subject matter.. there is an "onus" that you be familiar with your own posit.

You brought the subject to the conversation, but couldn't be bothered to understand, read, or even name it

And Schumer refused to even allow hr2 to see the light of day in the senate in 2023

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
The daily quota of refugee claimants was jointly agreed by both parties--until Trump pulled the strings on his puppets in Congress and they shot down the bill.

Just to remind you

Jines, please tell me what parts of the bill the left did not like, Well I guess the fact that the illegals were not picked up at the border in a limo and then brought to their new house.

However the left must love the new plan for loans for illegals to buy homes in California