Roland I also do not have time to do your research. If you are interested look it up

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Originally posted by MJines:
Increasingly there is no place in our government for compromise. The border bill was a compromise. Both sides getting some of what they wanted, not getting other aspects of what they wanted and both going away with a partial loaf. That is unacceptable to the left and right fringe. They have become the adult equivalents of “I’ll just take my ball and go home” children. So Lindsey says he did not like big parts of bill. Guess what, those on the left did not like big parts of the bill either. That’s why it is called compromise. There is an old saying that a good compromise is one that leaves both sides dissatisfied. That’s what the border bill did. Unfortunately we have folks today that do not appreciate that our government cannot function without compromise and they are prepared to have no loaf at all versus half a loaf. As a consequence, nothing gets done and everyone just bitches and complains.

Mike -

That bill did absolutely nothing to stop or slow illegal immigration. In fact, it essentially legalized it.

There were daily stop gap numbers of 4000-8500, before anything was to happen. That's upwards of 3 million that get a pass.

The additional judges were for nothing but expedited hearings and the additional BP were simply there as processing clerks.

I have read nearly the entire bill, It was simply bad legislation. (for America).

ANY legitimate border bill should required the border be 100% (or as close as possible) closed to illegal entry. I'm open to re-examining the legal numbers, procedures and potential citizenship. But just open, as it stand right now isn't tenable.

Just look at what is occurring in Aurora Colorado.

Yes, I understand, not all illegal entries are bad people, but it doesn't take that many bad ones to not call the current border an unmitigated failure.

Regards

That is false if we believe the CBP Union who endorsed the bill.

The idea that no one will cross the border or no one will qualify for hearings to remain in the country is not real.

The idea we are going to deport long term, migrants is also dead on arrival.

Oh not for nothing, President Biden has had US Military on the border and in Mexico w Mexico’s permission to combat cartel violence and human trafficking at the border.

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Jines, please tell me what parts of the bill the left did not like, Well I guess the fact that the illegals were not picked up at the border in a limo and then brought to their new house.

However the left must love the new plan for loans for illegals to buy homes in California

I have to wonder at that too!

It is never compromise to ignore lawbreakers, it is capitulation.

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Roland I also do not have time to do your research. If you are interested look it up

Nah, your post doesn't interest me enough to research your points. Since you can't support them, they're bullshit.

I'll presume your points are just spin and propaganda.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Roland I also do not have time to do your research. If you are interested look it up

Nah, your post doesn't interest me enough to research your points. Since you can't support them, they're bullshit.

I'll presume your points are just spin and propaganda.

dude, seriously? YOU brought the legislation into the conversation .. it's YOUR boogieman -- and you have the AUDACITY to exactly transfer your behavior - bless your heart,

you understand denial and transference are actually treatable via the DSM

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
The daily quota of refugee claimants was jointly agreed by both parties--until Trump pulled the strings on his puppets in Congress and they shot down the bill.

Just to remind you

I thought those facts were incontrovertible. Which part do you want support (beyond common knowledge) for?

You're right, it's my burden to support the claim.

quote:

Originally posted by MLindsay:
Well Roland that fine plan was not agreed upon by everyone, the house had a much better plan but the Dems did not support it.
But to go over some of the fine points of the plan you like
1. Codified catch and release
2. Put into law illegal immigrants were give immediate work permits
3. Put into law that illegal immigrants would be given taxpayer funded attorneys
4. Gave billions to sanctuary cities
5. Set up a guaranteed 1.8 million allowed in each year

Fine plan

Just as it's MLindsay's burden to support the above factual claims.

quote:

We should give her a MAGA hat"

Roland, it is in the bill, read it. I am not going to transcribe the entire bill in this post.

There is no need for me to defend what I wrote, read the bill

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Actually. It does . 8,5000 per day max, then the guardrails kick for 8,501 one and so on...

But my, the audacity to claim someone else is cherry picking and without link.. oh, the shame.. of nearly every poster.. you, for example, didn't provide a link to the amendment (the bill passed the amendment didnt) that you referred to

Yeah, I am guilty too.

You sure are--along with Lindsay, guilty of spreading disinformation. Here's some research for you:


The debate on the Senate compromise was significantly affected by misinformation (and disinformation) about the bill’s provisions. Most notably, the bill’s number of five thousand inadmissible migrants who would trigger the border being “closed” to asylum seekers was twisted into the idea that five thousand inadmissible migrants would be allowed into the United States. (See above for the details of how this would really have worked.) The reality was that those five thousand migrants would be subjected to the full panoply of security checks and legal requirements for asylum, so that only the small number actually eligible for asylum would actually be allowed to stay in the United States. This provision started, ironically, from a Republican demand that the Biden administration “close the border” whenever there were large numbers of migrants trying to cross without authorization, and the five-thousand figure was a compromise that Democrats could accept in order to write the authority into law.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.or...-blueprint-for-2025/

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
Well Roland that fine plan was not agreed upon by everyone, the house had a much better plan but the Dems did not support it.
But to go over some of the fine points of the plan you like
1. Codified catch and release
2. Put into law illegal immigrants were give immediate work permits
3. Put into law that illegal immigrants would be given taxpayer funded attorneys
4. Gave billions to sanctuary cities
5. Set up a guaranteed 1.8 million allowed in each year

Fine plan

1. Nonsense. There was no such provision.

2. Could find no reference.

3. Only for kids under 13.

4. A total of one billion to all communities most affected by illegals.

5. Nonsense--as related in my previous post.

In keeping with your precedent, I'll withhold my sources.

So what happened to Lindsay and his water carrier, Jeffeoso?

Yes, thank you. I'm known to be audacious.

8500 per day threshold for you "agreed upon" bill. 1.85 million per year... I wonder, are you stupid or just willfully ignorant

Oh, I remember, you get all your data froom Here. Precious

Stooping kind of low there, aren't you?

Well Roland I have other things to do than spend time on AR bantering with you, like getting ready for another safari.
The bill is S4361, it has everything I said in it, but just talking about what you stated, $1 billion U.S. dollars to take care of a bunch of border jumpers that should have been turned away at the border. Shit these people are not poor and destitute, I have seen those people in Africa

S.4361 - Border Act of 2024
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Latest Action: Senate - 05/23/2024 Cloture on the motion to proceed to the measure not invoked in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 43 - 50. Record Vote Number: 182. (CR S3878) (All Actions)
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Introduced in Senate (05/16/2024)
Border Act of 2024

The bill expands Department of Homeland Security (DHS) authority to address the processing of non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) and provides supplemental appropriations for related purposes.

Among other provisions, the bill provides DHS emergency authority to summarily remove or prohibit the entry of certain non-U.S. nationals within 100 miles of the southwest land border. DHS may exercise this authority if DHS encounters an average of 4,000 non-U.S. nationals within a seven-day period. If the number of encounters reach certain higher thresholds, DHS must exercise the emergency authority. This emergency border authority expires after three years and may be modified by the President under specified circumstances.

Next, the bill establishes an expedited process that authorizes asylum officers to adjudicate certain asylum claims. Among other provisions, these provisional noncustodial removal proceedings impose certain target timelines for determining asylum claims and limit review of denied claims. The bill also establishes a stricter threshold for individuals to remain in the United States pending adjudication of an asylum petition.

The bill extends and establishes immigration pathways for Afghan citizens or nationals, including by (1) making certain individuals admitted or paroled to the United States eligible for conditional permanent resident status, and (2) expanding eligibility for special immigrant visas for certain individuals who were injured while supporting the U.S. mission in Afghanistan.

The bill also increases base pay for asylum officers and grants DHS temporary direct hire authority to hire personnel to implement the bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/...ess/senate-bill/4361

I posted the whole bill before.

These people do not want to read, be informed.

All they want is for someone to tell them why what they feel/think is right.

Hence, our daily tweeter updates.

Again, the Bill was more than Republicans did with control of the House, majority in the Senste, and Trump setting behind the desk from 2016-2018. The bill was negotiated by Senate Conservatives and could survive a Dem Filibuster and a presidential veto. Any bill that could not do that was not a serious attempt at government.

Oh, I forgot, they were too busy to attempt to correct this most longstanding danger to the United States.