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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...WOo?ocid=socialshare Police use fireworks, tear gas in overnight L.A. protests Police fired tear gas to disperse crowds and exchanged fireworks with protesters in Compton on June 7, as anti-ICE protests spread to wider Los Angeles county. Trump has dispatched the National Guard to quell. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | ||
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Oh, I bet sending the National Guard will make things better. trump flexing on Newsome.  | |||
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The protesting that I've seen lately, (1/6 topping the list,) seems to be getting a little to far out of control. Troops should have been sent in before this. | |||
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There isn't enough National Guard to deal with what's coming. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Federal intervention might be appropriate if local law enforcement can't handle the problem. That doesn't appear to be the case in LA, at least up to this point. trump is just ramping things up. Sending in the NG is just going to make it worse. | |||
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Was local/state LEO's doing anything to help. NPR reported ICE agents were assaulted. | |||
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I'm so relieved that the left only engages in peaceful protest. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Major Bass said LA PD would do nothing to help ICE. Sure looks like a city in rebellion Remeber when Oakland, right after the OWS protestors where determined to be surplus to requirements, turned the national guard, with dozers and water cannons, loose on the protestors Spartacus says they are peaceful protests Caused by enforcing laws https://www.foxnews.com/media/...oying-national-guard opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Touché My friend. I could, but won't, construe the protests and harm more towards property than persons. There's something bigger about to happen, IMO. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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NPR said agents were hit with chunks of concrete. | |||
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Los Angeles and California official don't have a very good track record of "handling ". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palisades_Fire I was thinking maybe Trumps use of federal authority against liberal protesters may embolden liberal authorities to use federal forces in the future against right wing protesters. Hopefully a future Nancy Pelosi type will be inclined to have police open fire a whole lot faster and more. | |||
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. . . why would any reasonable person object to using the NG to quell a riot or demonstration involving injury to persons or destruction of property? Should have done the same thing on January 6. I wonder if folks arrested in the LA riots will be given pardons? Mike | |||
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Good thoughtful and concise post MJines. I can read between the lines.  Anyway, search on: Why didn't Trump call out the national guard on January 6 2021? Results: https://www.google.com/search?...yAdF&sclient=gws-wiz AI Overview Controversy Surrounding Trump's Role in January 6th National Guard Deployment There is no definitive consensus on why Trump did not issue a clear order to deploy the National Guard at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021. However, several points shed light on the complex situation: Delegated Authority: Trump had already delegated authority to the Secretary of Defense, Christopher Miller, and Secretary of the Army, Ryan McCarthy, regarding the D.C. National Guard's deployment. Concerns about "Optics": Some Pentagon officials expressed concerns about how deploying National Guard troops would be perceived, potentially fueling fears of a military coup or concerns about the potential for Trump's administration to misuse the Guard for nefarious purposes. Miscommunication and Delays: Testimony before Congress suggests a significant miscommunication between top military officials contributed to a four-hour delay in the deployment of National Guard troops. Lack of Direct Order from Trump: While Trump had discussions about the National Guard in the days leading up to January 6th, the House Select Committee on the January 6th Attack found no evidence that he issued a direct order to deploy the Guard on that day. Conflicting Accounts: Some accounts suggest that Trump initially resisted requests to mobilize the National Guard and required intervention from White House officials like Pat Cipollone. Other accounts claim that Trump was involved in approving the deployment and that he directed Pentagon leaders to ensure the event was safe. In summary, there is ongoing debate about Trump's role and actions regarding the National Guard deployment on January 6th. Multiple factors contributed to the delays and lack of clarity, including the delegation of authority, conflicting opinions among military officials, and differing interpretations of events. ============================================================= The narrative of confusion and blame worked re J6. It could be reasonably presumed that Trump didn't want that riot shut down, for obvious and collateral reasons. Why wouldn't spin continue to work in a different circumstance scenario? ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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That has been gone over by the pages full here on ARPF. Just do a search. | |||
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I already stated why. There's no indication local law enforcement can't handle it and there's every likelihood that it's going to make it worse. First time since 1965 a POTUS has federalized the NG without a governor's request. trump is calling it a "rebellion." This never happens if the rioting was in Houston or Miami. He's fucking with Newsome. | |||
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Want to riot? Want to destroy property and place other people at risk? Local law enforcement not moving aggressively to bring it to an immediate stop? I have no issue with the NG being brought in. The hypocrisy and logical inconsistency of those on the left and the right is embarrassing. Public displays of violence . . . whether it is in LA or DC . . . should be met with force quickly and efficiently. Mike | |||
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Maybe Trump thinks he will out-macho Newsom. I dunno. Anyone remember Kent State? Trump has a history of starting trouble and not being willing or able to contain it. Who will be the next Ashley Babbitt? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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and it happened from time to time in the 20s,30s,40s, 50s, 60s -- But what's changed, Mike? Could it be we went from a Nation of Law and Order to "Dems do what they want, without consequences" A mayor REFUSES to enforce or support federal law -- had this been in Dallas in 2023, against a right wing cause, YOU would be crying in JOY for the President to Save you Stop being a hypocrite opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Or die process...... . | |||
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I can certainly agree with that! | |||
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Invading Congress was peaceful??  | |||
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Saeed - That comment was a bit of a inside joke between ME and myself. HOWEVER, How many of these protestors will spend one night in jail? Be prosecuted, be in solitary for 6 months, be hunted down, just based on a cell phone pinging their location during these riots? I simply want the laws enforced equally, and as you will soon see, they will not be. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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He calls them insurrectionists! And those invading the capitol got away scot free! Ah the hypocrisy of it all! | |||
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So, if they 1/6 rioters/ criminals are set free because the BLM rioters/ criminals were set free and the LA 6/7/2025 rioters/ criminals are setting free because the 1/6 rioters/criminals were set free you don't see a race for rock bottom? You've mentioned several times here on AR Steve that you have standards for your self that are not measured or calibrated by others. Your priorities are yours and there is no grading on a "bell curve". Well I salute you for this virtue and i believe similarly. So, I hold myself and my child to standards that have nothing to do with how others behave or the standards they have. In kind, I hold my peers or like minded neighbors to the same expectations, or of course I drop them as considered like minded neighbors. Laws will never be enforced equally. Laws will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever! be enforced equally, you know that. So somebody has to set the bar. Somebody has to draw a line. Are you and I going to leave the line drawing to the Commies or the Anarchists? Level the line drawing to the LGBT,.....said or the boonies? Leve the line drawing to Biden and Harris? To Trump? Show of hands here, who wants their child to speak, think or act like President Donald Trump? Who here would applaud their child lying, cheating, manipulating and bullying as POTUS as modeled by DJT? I do not. | |||
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The bar of dignity and class was thrown out of the window the minute Trump was elected! Where does one begin? Draft dodging coward. Multi bankrupt. Impeached crook! And he gets rewarded by being given the highest office in the land! Him and his family have been lining up their pockets from day one! Taking corruption to levels never seen before!  | |||
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The bottom line is that this is obviously a power play from trump, a big step in his bid to become a dictatorial king. | |||
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So the question is…do we let LA burn? Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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Funny MAGA talking about Law & Order. Just a Donald Trump run down: Trump mentioned 64 times in the Epstein report. Trump pleaded the 5th 97 times. Trump has 34 felony convictions Trump has 26 sexual assault allegations Trump has six bankruptcies. not counting, Four other indictments Five draft deferments Two impeachments Two convicted companies One fraudulent university shutdown $25,000,000 fraud settlement Thousands of MAGA thugs given pardons MAGA always whines about "States Rights", then rushes in federal troops to California just to score political points to hopefully damage Newsome's run for the Presidency later. Pure political theater. If you are MAGA, you are basically an idiot. | |||
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https://youtube.com/shorts/YC-...?si=0VoewPm3Lolw1JJ7 'Wow!': Trump is surrounded by convicted and accused criminals ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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https://youtu.be/TprmE2YED18?si=_liauEs59lckybh1 'It's theater': Michael Cohen says Trump's LA crackdown is a distraction from Musk feud ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Basically THE QUALIFICATION for a US PRESIDENT! | |||
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Morning Scott. I've said many, many times in this sub-forum that I find DJT's character reprehensible. That said, I make no bones about voting for him. It was, in my mind, a simple and binary choice. Harris; and continue the race to a weaker nation, or vote for DJT and all his warts. Writing in some candidate with literally zero chance is nothing but giving yourself plausible deniability as to your responsibility to vote. J6 comparison - My point Scott, and I think you got it right, I am not and never will make excuses for the J6 actions, but many of them were jailed for long sentences. IMHO, they paid the cost of their crimes. Pardons were appropriate. Conversely, do you honestly believe, that these rioters we all see breaking, burning and causing civil unrest will spend any time in jail? I want a blind lady justice. And yes, I do hold myself to a higher standard. But I have learned the hard way that attempting to hold anyone else in my orbit to those same standards results in losing those associations. Racing bicycles has really changed my world view and my small and insignificant place in it. I am responsible for myself and my son, Brian...period. I think that my refusal to engage in petty arguing and name calling in here, or even responding to those attempting to provoke or illicit a response is proof enough. I truly and honestly want this nation to heal. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Unfortunately, most of what Cohen foretells never comes to fruition. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Morning ME, "Ask and you shall receive" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oksVQrXRAkE If true, this is interesting. https://x.com/Yolo304741/statu...n-la.308873%2Fpage-5 Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If you are going to burn and destroy things and grow lumps of concrete at others you are not protesting anymore, you are just breaking the law, and should be treated appropriately. | |||
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Rioters are used for political gain! Same as the ones invading the Capitol! | |||
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Ridiculous. Send in the National Guard that trains once a month and two weeks a year. Who do you think receives more training in riot control? The LAPD has a dedicated riot control unit. But, no let's send in the weekend guys with M4's. Genius. | |||
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Draft dodging cowards RULES!  | |||
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1 it's a riot not a protest 2 they have broken into lapd 3 they are setting cops cars and other on fire 4 they are using deadly force 5 lapd has effectively zero control opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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. . . if the law enforcement officials in LA were doing such a stellar job, why is the violence and destruction continuing? Ridiculous is always mindlessly defending the party line. Genius. Mike | |||
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