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Your first video started at the appropriate place: https://youtu.be/oksVQrXRAkE?si=I1l4ahyifRIFjnIK&t=66 Don't you just hate it when that happens? It's soooo embarrassing.  ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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" about the level of a sporting event celebration " yeah, history of violent riots doesn't make it right, it makes it "criminal enterprise " charges opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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It'd not embarrassing at all. I knew what I posted. I have never denied the event. You asked why was the National Guard not called. And conveniently, Nancy Pelosi answered the question for you, in her own words. But nice attempt to obfuscate it anyway!!  World class in fact.  Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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On 1/6, someone was killed, and lots of property damage occurred. If that is reason to call out the guard (note that nonmilitary personnel were able to stop the rioting in less than 24 hours without them) then I am fine with using that as a benchmark to call out the guard in civil unrest. Typically, the NG gets the call after 24 hours and an inability for local LE to control the disturbance. I would have loved to have the NG called in in Minneapolis during the Floyd riots immediately… Looks to me like they do need the NG to stop rioting in CA. If Newsome is refusing to use the police to quell rioting, he should be impeached. He’s not upholding the laws of the state. | |||
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The way I heard it was Pelosi blamed herself, apparently mistakenly. I didn't "obfuscate". That's a word not in my vocabulary nor intent. I listened to the video report and the part of the Rightist spin, then got to the "world class in fact" that Pelosi didn't have the authority or prerogative of calling the NG. She may have the position to request, but the actual deployment was under Trump's authority, perhaps delegated. My take on it is that the Rightists obfuscated for the sake of a false narrative. IOW, a whopping lie. It's Rightist SOP. Mike Johnson does it every day. =============================================== I did some additional research. Search on: did nancy pelosi have the authority to deploy the national guard on januqry 6, 2021 at the capitol results: https://www.google.com/search?...w=1469&bih=829&dpr=2 AI Overview No, Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, did not have the authority to unilaterally deploy the National Guard on January 6, 2021. Here's a breakdown of the relevant information: Capitol Security: Capitol security is the responsibility of the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms, and the Architect of the Capitol. National Guard Deployment: The Capitol Police Board has the authority to request the National Guard for assistance. No Evidence of Refusal: There is no evidence that Pelosi, or then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, directed security officials not to call the Guard beforehand. Delayed Response: While Capitol Police Chief Sund and other officials requested the National Guard's help starting at 1:49 p.m. on January 6th, the request was not approved by Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller until 4:32 p.m., and the troops did not arrive until 5:20 p.m., more than four hours after the initial breach of the Capitol perimeter. Trump's False Claim: Former President Trump has repeatedly made the false claim that Pelosi "turned down" his offer to send the National Guard, but this has been debunked by numerous fact-checking organizations. In summary, while Pelosi was involved in appointing a member to the Capitol Police Board, she did not have the direct authority to deploy the National Guard. The responsibility for requesting and authorizing the deployment of the Guard rests with the Capitol Police Board and, ultimately, the Department of Defense. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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And, pray tell, what party line is that you've devined I'm defending? Oh, I forget that you're the guy who is above all this because you abandoned your political party after you enabled it for years to finally go too far and elect an idiot as president. Now, suddenly, the republicans are pariahs. Except when they're not. Laughable. Max Boot on why calling out the NG is a bad idea: U.S. history should make any president cautious about deploying troops — whether the National Guard or active-duty personnel — to quell domestic disturbances. One of the events that led to the American Revolution, after all, occurred in Boston in 1770 when British troops deployed in response to anti-tax protests. Rather than putting down an incipient uprising, the Redcoats ignited it by opening fire and killing five protesters in what became known as the Boston Massacre. That troubling history makes clear that President Donald Trump is playing with fire by nationalizing the California National Guard over the objections of Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) and sending troops into Los Angeles to deal with protests sparked by the Trump administration’s roundups of undocumented immigrants. Yet rather than proceed with the appropriate caution, Trump appears all too eager to foment a clash. In a social media post on Sunday, Trump claimed Los Angeles “has been invaded and occupied by Illegal Aliens and Criminals” and was being swarmed by “violent, insurrectionist mobs.” He was directing federal authorities to “liberate Los Angeles from the Migrant invasion, and put an end to these Migrant riots.” The president’s incendiary rhetoric is baseless. Far from facing a migrant invasion, the United States has recently seen the lowest levels of undocumented border crossings in decades — news that the White House touted on its own website. Violent crime is also falling rapidly across the country, including in Los Angeles. The only emergency is the one that the Trump administration is creating by mandating that Immigration and Customs Enforcement make a minimum of 3,000 arrests a day, up from an average of 660 arrests a day during the first 100 days of Trump’s second term. There is no way to meet those kinds of arbitrary quotas by focusing only on criminals and gang members who deserve deportation. So ICE has taken to using paramilitary force to round up day laborers in Home Depot parking lots. These are people working to support their families and contributing to the economy, so it is little wonder that the ICE raids have led to protests and pushback. Sending the National Guard into Los Angeles has predictably heightened the anger of protesters and led to violent clashes with police and troops. Unfortunately, some protesters are playing into Trump’s hands by committing acts of violence — such as throwing projectiles at police or torching cars — that create the confrontation the president evidently craves. Waving Mexican flags on television also allows Trump to depict protesters as invaders. This is hardly the first time that Trump has been eager to deploy troops to city streets. He tried to do so during the George Floyd protests in 2020. Trump reportedly urged Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper to “crack their skulls” and asked whether troops could shoot protesters in the legs. Esper and Milley resolutely refused to countenance such state violence or even to deploy active-duty troops. The National Guard did deploy but generally acted with appropriate restraint. That history helps explain why Trump was so eager this time to appoint officials he no doubt viewed as more compliant. He fired the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that he inherited from the Biden administration and brought out of retirement a three-star officer, Dan Caine, whom he apparently believed (probably mistakenly) would be loyal to him personally. And for defense secretary, Trump chose Fox News host Pete Hegseth, who made clear during his confirmation hearings that he would have no objection in principle to using force against protesters. Hegseth’s tenure has been a troubled one so far: It has been characterized by nonstop turmoil among his senior staff and by the scandal over his use of an unsecure Signal chat to share information about a planned military attack on the Houthis in Yemen. Even Trump has reportedly been upset with Hegseth for all the bad publicity he is generating and for his willingness to brief Elon Musk (who has substantial business interests in China) on the Pentagon’s plans for fighting China. So it is no surprise that, in dealing with the Los Angeles protests, Hegseth appears to be acting as an accelerator, rather than a brake, on the president’s worst instincts. Perhaps desperate to get back in Trump’s good graces, the defense secretary tweeted on Saturday that not only was he “mobilizing the National Guard IMMEDIATELY” but that, “if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert.” Hegseth appears all too willing to put troops in a situation they should not be in, where they risk becoming political pawns in the administration’s attempt to foment a crisis that will enable the president to assert even greater executive power. Now it will be up to the troops themselves, from Caine on down, to ensure they keep their honor clean and do not do anything that would transgress on the First Amendment rights that generations of their forebears fought to protect. The troops cannot refuse a lawful order to deploy, but their commanders can push back behind the scenes and ensure that any soldiers or Marines on city streets do not make a bad situation even worse. https://www.washingtonpost.com...sts-military-troops/ | |||
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A state is not the Federal District. The President does not have unilateral, direct control over a state national guard. Title 10 and Title 32 control the President’s use, mobilization of a state national guard. Even then, under these federal laws, the President cannot use a state Fed National guard for general policing. The NG in this scenario can only be used to protect Fed property and employees. Thus, I have 3 questions: Which Title has the President mobilized the state NG? Have the requirements to mobilize as set out in whichever Title the President is relying upon been followed? And What was the conditions in LA prior to mobilizing a state National Guard to LA? Until those 3 questions are answered, I withhold any opinion. If the President did not meet the requirements set out in either Title 10 or Title 32, then the NG needs to be removed. Apparently, the courts will so inform us as it should be. | |||
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Regardless history or protocol, if they Capitol is under attack, and it certainly was, I'd immediately be calling the NG, Marines, 101st Airborne and anyone else is had a phone number of. An attack on the Capitol is not an ordinary event that should be responded to in typical fashion. | |||
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Laughable is only being able to see every issue through your blue-tinted glasses. I am quite happy to still be able to call a spade a spade, regardless of the party. Candidly folks like yourself that can only think in a binary way, are simply the flip side of the coin of the right wing kooks you like to condemn. Let’s get the rioting stopped and let the folks in LA get on with their lives. Mike | |||
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Until I know better, I'll go by this: https://youtu.be/Rbyiw-wQrqc?si=GjLiQa3I4By_pmfs All HELL BREAKS LOOSE after Trump INVASION OF LA ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Joshua, I have no clue on the details and justification but here's an announcement https://www.whitehouse.gov/pre...-security-functions/ opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Scott, would you mind defining under attack? Most of the time, LE is able to handle these issues in DC. Even on 1/6 LE was able to shut down that event in hours. Admittedly, they didn’t stop it from happening, but it was stopped quite quickly. The perpetrators were arrested fairly quickly as well. Yes, Trump pardoned them… even so, I think the vast majority of them learned a lesson about civil disobedience and the price of rioting. Most of them are bright enough to know that DJT isn’t going to be riding to their rescue on his giant Qatari plane the next time. It was a domestic event. The folks involved were US citizens and thus do have some rights to assemble peaceably. When does it become an attack and the NG is allowed to start shooting at citizens? As bad as it was, I do think you need to let the rioters take the first step before you try and use force to stop them. LE is trained in restraint and probable cause/judicious use of force. The military is trained to kill people and break things. Yes, if things get far enough out of hand I agree that the NG should be called out. If they think something might happen, planning should be done by the guard and they should be ready to implement those plans. In the case of 1/6, I don’t think the guard was needed. What was needed was for LE to be told to deal with the issue; and Trump fell short of his duty. The folks who plotted insurrection should have been imprisoned and shame on the president who pardoned them. The rioters should have been arrested and charged. Again, shame on Trump for shielding them from the consequences of their bad behavior. Do you think 1/6 would have ended up better if it had been a Kent State type reaction? | |||
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The major fact from that is the President is relying upon Title 10. | |||
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Actually, the DC Guard by Fed Law does serve as police. It is the only Guard in the nation that serves that purpose. DC is not a state and is a federal entity. | |||
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It does appear in the fact pattern, the President does have to get consent if the Governor before mobilizing the Guard. https://www.csg.org/2024/09/25/military-101-orders/ | |||
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What came out in the congressional hearings, was that the DC police chief does have a say in the DC NG deployment. Not the last word, but is expected to give direction. Part of the reason she was fired in the J 6 riot aftermath. | |||
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If using the Democrat definition of "peaceful", then yes it was. | |||
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Actually, he does not. The federal law on this had been provided numerous times. Again, the federal law, the subsections are hyperlinked indicate President Trump needed Gov. Newsome’s consent in this fact pattern. What the Chief testifies to as legislation given him more power to requests assistance. https://www.c-span.org/video/?...intelligence-failure The breach of the United States Capitol was not the result of poor planning or failure to contain a demonstration gone wrong. No single civilian law enforcement agency – and certainly not the USCP – is trained and equipped to repel, without significant military or other law enforcement assistance, an insurrection of thousands of armed, violent, and coordinated individuals focused on breaching a building at all costs. Here is his full transcript https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/w...-Sund-2021-02-23.pdf At Page 4, the Chief expressly states he had no authority to mobilize the DC Guard. At Page 6, the Chief also repeats that he did not have authority to mobilize the DC Guard, but requested the DC Guard. He would again have direct conversation with the CO of the DC Guard requesting assistance. Trump had all the power vested and necessary to mobilize the DC Guard on Jan 6. That is not this situation. Again, Article 10 appears to require Governor consent in the current fact pattern. The courts will tell us soon enough, as Gov. Newsome has sued to seek judicial application of Title 10. Assuming he is correct, I stand amazed at how much power folks are willing to just give this federal Chief Executive. | |||
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What are you talking about eggbert? I said the DC guard, and was talking about the J 6 hearings and the female DC police cheif. Why are you quoting me, and talking about California? | |||
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And if you would read, the Chief said he had no authority over the DC Guard on Jan 6. I am addressing both situations. You are incorrect as it relates to your statement about the DC Guard and the Chief of DC Police did not have a say. He requested. That post you did not read proves your assertion incorrect. I have provided chapter and versus that contradicts you. I also addressed the current situation. We know you can read. You just do not want to. Those eggs were still 14 dollars for 18. You want to argue that is not high? Now, Yes or no, based on what we know Back40, has the President complied with Title 10? Yes No I don’t know Pick one If you do my care, that is worse. That a president to violate federal law in federalize the a state Guard against that state’s citizens should matter to anyone. The DC Police Chief testimony was clear. All he can do was ask. Now, address the current situation, or do not address it. | |||
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So if we showed up in Mexico burning cars , waving American flags , looting stores and screaming that that we refused to go home , I would think they'd probably just shoot us within about a hour . | |||
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You stupid fuckwit. The cheif of police during the J6 riots, was Yogananda Pittman, a woman. There was no "he" requested, as you repeatedly try to say. SHE, testified she requested the DC guard after the breach. You can quote up your ass, I watched the hearings, and am going by their testimony. You can pull it up and watch it yourself. You never said $14 for 18. You stuck to your story, and would never say if there were any other options except those. You were trying to cover your lying ass through the whole thread about the false claim. | |||
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As I read it, she didn't testify that she made the request, but the chief did who is a he. https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25...tary-backup-on-jan-6 Capitol Police Chief: Records Prove Immediate Calls For Military Backup On Jan. 6 February 25, 2021 Acting U.S. Capitol Police Chief Yogananda Pittman , testifying remotely through a video link, told a House committee that her agency head had requested military backup about a half-dozen times in the first hour after the Capitol complex was breached on Jan. 6, the day of the insurrection. Pittman based her assessment on phone records her agency obtained for then-Chief Steven Sund showing he reached out to the Capitol's top security officials starting shortly before 1 p.m. in the first of six calls requesting the National Guard to respond. "Chief Sund spoke to both sergeants-at-arms to request National Guard support," Pittman told a House panel on Thursday in her first testimony in a public congressional hearing on the siege. =========================================== Also: https://www.c-span.org/program...ck-on-capitol/588855 Video She says she was appointed as acting chief on Jan 8, at 2:53 in the video. =============================================== https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp AI Overview U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund resigned shortly after the January 6th Capitol riot, citing security failures and the need to take responsibility for the events. His resignation was effective January 16th. The resignation came after lawmakers, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, called for his removal in the wake of the security breach. Key details about Steven Sund's resignation: Timing: The resignation was announced on January 7th, one day after the riot, and was effective January 16th. Reasoning: Sund stated he was resigning to take responsibility for security failures and the response to the riot. Pressure: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other lawmakers called for his removal. Controversy: There were reports that the Capitol Police had declined offers of additional security support from the Pentagon and other agencies. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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The then DC Police (full) Chief’s testimony is clear and presented on this thread above. He requested the DC Guard numerous times. He even spoke directly to the CO twice requesting DC Guard assistance. He testimony is clear, he had no authority over the matter. Back to the current situation. The last time this happened was in 1992. President Busch obtained (was requested by) consent of the Governor and invoked the Instruction A T. Again, this was all done at the request of the Governor. | |||
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Actually, you are stupid. There is more than one chief. He was the full Chief. Talk less and read more. If you read, you will see I. His testimony where he references her. You are wrong and have walked into being stupid. You are wrong. Again, as priced above the DC Chief had no authority. All DC Police could do was request. They did, and we saw what happened. The testimony above that you still have not read (even though I have summarized w page numbers) was the DC Chief. Written Testimony of USCP Former Chief of Police Steven A. Sund before the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration and the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee Tuesday, February 23, 2021 However, you did not read. He was the Chief on Jan 6. Cuss and no know nothing. Now answer the question that was asked of you. | |||
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She , in person said she was on the phone herself, to direct where her officers were stationed and allow her to move them to locations out of the way. All in the hearings, that went on for several days. Pittman was the one fired. As to deploying NG without the governors request. Eisenhower deployed the Arkansas NG in 1957. The claim, 10 is ambiguous and does not explicitly allow or forbid sending troops. Looks like something that should be made concrete one way or the other. Where is my answer that $14 eggs were the only ones available? | |||
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Again, you are wrong. He was the Full Chief on Jan 6. His testimony is clear the DC Police Administration had no power to mobilize the DC Guard. He details his many requests for DC Guard assistance in that testimony. He even references her an under Chief. He was the Chief, and his testimony is clear he, the DC Police Administration, had no authority, but made several requests. It is what it is. You did not read; even though I gave you page numbers to his transcribed testimony in support. You are just wrong as the (full) Chief of the DC Police on Jan 6 testified under oath. Now, to the current situation. Andor the question posed to you, or don’t. If you chose not to that is fine. We all see you do not want to have an actual debate, you just want to yell and cuss. Well big man, have at it. You have been check mated. Based on what we know, Yes or no, did President Trump comply w Tittle 10? I’ll say, I do not know. My reading of relevant parts of Title 10 appear to be no, but I do not know enough to say yes. | |||
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You can't be serious. Bright, color video of breached police lines, broken down doors and gangs scaling walls. If I were in charge I'd of had the first guy that leaned on a police barricade shot between the eyes and I'd of posed with his carcass like a trophy buck. | |||
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I told you all I know about "tittle" 10. Eisenhower used the Arkansas guard, with the claim he could. I dont know any more than that. Pittman was acting chief the report 21 TD-159 had her in charge and deputy chief gallagher. She was forced to retire, no one else in charge. Tell us if those were the only eggs junior? Why cant you fess up? | |||
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Of Course, President Eisenhower was enforcing a S. Ct., order and was not engaged in general policing. We also do not know what the Fed law regarding federalizing a state Guard was. There is no reason to put Title 10 in parenthesis. It is the Federal Act that currently governs the federalizing a state National Guard. President Trump even cities it in is order. It is linked for you to read. The applicable sections are hyperlinked for you to read. Again, you just refuse to read. Your non-response is response enough. | |||
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Scotus is not CIC. They have zero authority to dispatch troops. Hint, you can find whom is the CIC in the constitution opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The S. Ct., has every right to decide if this Chief Executive has violated Federal Law concerning the federalizing a state National Guard. Maybe, the Act is unconstitutional? The courts will decide. They are going to decide as California has filed suit. The S. CT., is the final arbiter of the application of Federal law. Until that day comes, the court of jurisdiction below is. | |||
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There should be no doubt that Trump wants the opportunity and fight, especially with Newsom. The news sources are buzzing https://www.google.com/search?...gHLA&sclient=gws-wiz https://youtu.be/uQ-BmCoWoiQ?si=0XGLCTug_Y765_M7 3 hours ago https://youtu.be/htBh6oTgXRE?si=6wxS28iEyp6KEMI8 33 minutes ago https://youtu.be/D_iHn8MvHqw?si=IpIgZroeL0HRIG-n 2 hours ago https://youtu.be/IJNj3355JuE?si=bdg3mvPGtcQDeOW_ 7 hours ago ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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All started by THE MAGA ARSEHOLE to divert attention from him screwing up the economy!  | |||
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There is a reason I titled the OP "And it begins". It's actually not the beginning but a stage in a plan. I think Newsom knows. https://youtu.be/4gMfC0HSuik?si=UDMX8xrG3mCf3Ebk A Psychiatrist Explains Why Stoking The LA Conflict Is Part Of Trump’s Plan What is happening in LA is just the first step in a spiral that all autocrats follow and Trump is doing the same. In this video I explain what happens next in this plan, with evidence from other similar moments in history around the world. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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So you are content to let it lay that scotus can't command troops. Good to hear opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I'm really glad that you finally won an argument jeffee, even though it wasn't really an argument. After your little lark off in lala land, maybe now we can get back to the premise of this thread. https://youtu.be/pr6zc9JXbOI?si=xI2d1LfgmH87RHMz&t=16 Why Is Stephen Miller Invading LA? | Enemies List ====================================== Cruelty is the point with Wormtongue. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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The courts will decide if the President complied with federal law. Title 10, on federalizing a state national guard. The courts can certainly order those tiptoes removed if Fed law was constitutional and not complied with. | |||
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