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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The fact is that during Biden's term, a bipartisan team developed a bill for actual reform. The speaker was about to introduce it but Trump called and told him to thwart it since he wanted to use the immigration issues in the campaign and didn't want Biden to get credit.

And here we are.

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Prison SHOULD be a deterant, if you don't like it, you should avoid it. At all costs.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The fact is that during Biden's term, a bipartisan team developed a bill for actual reform. The speaker was about to introduce it but Trump called and told him to thwart it since he wanted to use the immigration issues in the campaign and didn't want Biden to get credit.

And here we are.

As MM says, there must have been something nasty in it....

Oh, wait, here it is

8,500 illegals allowed in per day under that bill. THAT was the threshold. Shame its lower than 100 per day now.

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I have already proven it, you go look it up. I ain't your maid

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I have already proven it, you go look it up. I ain't your maid

Just because you say it isn't proof.

Go fetch, like a good boy.

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Aww. Trying to assert dominance?

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Aww. Trying to assert dominance?

Naw - just avoiding your dominance ploys.

Why is it with you that it's always about who is dominating who?

Why can't you just stay on topic and address the core of the discussion?

I'll offer an answer. It's because you can't debate, and don't know WTF you're talking about.

Prove me wrong.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Aww. Trying to assert dominance?

Prove me wrong.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:


i started this topic

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i say it the second i am actually corrected.. you might notice your score is... well, low

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:


i started this topic

No, actually I started this topic.

And I addressed your comments on point.

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i say it the second i am actually corrected.. you might notice your score is... well, low

That's another lie.

Do you know the word incorrigible?

You ought to. That's you.

Of course this has digressed as usual, and as intended by you.

So, when you post something relevant, until then you are back on ignore.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
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So, when you post something relevant, until then you are back on ignore.

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how will you KNOW maggie?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
It's a sad situation when the POTUS walks around cages bragging about how cages are so wonderful.

We're suffering this terrible situation where the POTUS is a fucking asshole that will be condemned historically for insane shit like this but, for some reason, has been embraced by our contemporary republican brethren.

Let them in. Let them work. Don't put them in jail. For the love of god, they want to work!!!! That's why they come here. They'll work construction, picking crops, hotel services cleaning up. Jobs that American citizens won't take. Somebody explain to me the problem with figuring out a system that allows them to come in and work.

We need immigration reform.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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how will you KNOW maggie?

Perhaps someone herein who sees worth in your posts will quote you. Until such affirmation happens, you're just a figment.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
It's a sad situation when the POTUS walks around cages bragging about how cages are so wonderful.

We're suffering this terrible situation where the POTUS is a fucking asshole that will be condemned historically for insane shit like this but, for some reason, has been embraced by our contemporary republican brethren.

Let them in. Let them work. Don't put them in jail. For the love of god, they want to work!!!! That's why they come here. They'll work construction, picking crops, hotel services cleaning up. Jobs that American citizens won't take. Somebody explain to me the problem with figuring out a system that allows them to come in and work.

We need immigration reform.

Yeah.....you democrats need your cheap labor.....cant have slaves anymore so you need those illegals to do your menial labor.....

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I'm ignoring all the diatribe

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I'm ignoring all the diatribe

Good plan. Me too.

As I figure it, Alligator Alcatraz is sort of plan B. The main infrastructure was already built and idle. They, probably Miller's team, decided to just modified it to serve as a concentration camp.

Plan A was to fly detainees to notorious concentration camps like in El Salvador and contract the services, the isolation, beatings and tortures, etc., but some "activist" courts got in the way.

With the amount of money budgeted for detainment and deportations, etc., they could and probably will do more of these concentration camps, perhaps in the desert.

After all, if things go according to plan, and according to the history of such, the camp facilities will see a lot of use.

Oh, and BTW, as I recall, when Trump first started talking about the scale of this, you remember back when he was campaigning, some media sources imagined and warned us concentration camps were gonna happen due to the scale of it.

And Trump had a tizzy when the bipartisan plan for reform was developed, and quashed it. Concentration camps are better than legislative reform of course, especially if THAT IS the reform and lasts perpetually.

It's the political gift that keeps on giving.

When Trump runs out of immigrants to detain and deport, there's millions of democrats and left leaners.

https://youtu.be/Zxvy3XT0u3c?si=Wep5RZN4MgUwnUW0

Trump Straight-Up Says He Hates Democrats In Iowa Speech: 'They Hate Trump But I Hate Them, Too'

From Trump's, MAGA's, Miller's perspective, it makes perfect sense to simply re-name the concentration camps to re-education facilities, (or simply education, to avoid certain connotations) and maybe reappropriate or redirect some school funding or perhaps some of the science research funding from universities, especially Harvard.

I can see it now - a 300' tall white cross at the entrance gates of each facility, which BTW are named The Earthly Pearly Gates, and on the other side a flag and pole like those Trump had installed at the WH.

Could there be anything more fitting of MAGA?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:


When EVERY homeless veteran, drug addicted or not. When every uninsured American, homeless, drug addicted or not, when every hungry American child, abused American child, beaten wife, disaster victim, etc. id taken care of, I'll begin to look outward.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I'm ignoring all the diatribe

Good plan. Me too.

As I figure it, Alligator Alcatraz is sort of plan B. The main infrastructure was already built and idle. They, probably Miller's team, decided to just modified it to serve as a concentration camp.

Plan A was to fly detainees to notorious concentration camps like in El Salvador and contract the services, the isolation, beatings and tortures, etc., but some "activist" courts got in the way.

With the amount of money budgeted for detainment and deportations, etc., they could and probably will do more of these concentration camps, perhaps in the desert.

After all, if things go according to plan, and according to the history of such, the camp facilities will see a lot of use.

Oh, and BTW, as I recall, when Trump first started talking about the scale of this, you remember back when he was campaigning, some media sources imagined and warned us concentration camps were gonna happen due to the scale of it.

And Trump had a tizzy when the bipartisan plan for reform was developed, and quashed it. Concentration camps are better than legislative reform of course, especially if THAT IS the reform and lasts perpetually.

It's the political gift that keeps on giving.

When Trump runs out of immigrants to detain and deport, there's millions of democrats and left leaners.

https://youtu.be/Zxvy3XT0u3c?si=Wep5RZN4MgUwnUW0

Trump Straight-Up Says He Hates Democrats In Iowa Speech: 'They Hate Trump But I Hate Them, Too'

From Trump's, MAGA's, Miller's perspective, it makes perfect sense to simply re-name the concentration camps to re-education facilities, (or simply education, to avoid certain connotations) and maybe reappropriate or redirect some school funding or perhaps some of the science research funding from universities, especially Harvard.

I can see it now - a 300' tall white cross at the entrance gates of each facility, which BTW are named The Earthly Pearly Gates, and on the other side a flag and pole like those Trump had installed at the WH.

Could there be anything more fitting of MAGA?

When EVERY homeless veteran, drug addicted or not. When every uninsured American, homeless, drug addicted or not, when every hungry American child, abused American child, beaten wife, disaster victim, etc. id taken care of, I'll begin to look outward.

But until then, the illegals came here, they took advantage of our generous system, many broke laws after being here. They need to go. But since the left threw a fit about their due process rights, that Obama, Bush and Clinton all ignored, they need a place to be detained until their status is determined.

Enough with the concentration camp BS. Your grandstanding isn't becoming of you.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I'm ignoring all the diatribe

Good plan. Me too.

As I figure it, Alligator Alcatraz is sort of plan B. The main infrastructure was already built and idle. They, probably Miller's team, decided to just modified it to serve as a concentration camp.

Plan A was to fly detainees to notorious concentration camps like in El Salvador and contract the services, the isolation, beatings and tortures, etc., but some "activist" courts got in the way.

With the amount of money budgeted for detainment and deportations, etc., they could and probably will do more of these concentration camps, perhaps in the desert.

After all, if things go according to plan, and according to the history of such, the camp facilities will see a lot of use.

Oh, and BTW, as I recall, when Trump first started talking about the scale of this, you remember back when he was campaigning, some media sources imagined and warned us concentration camps were gonna happen due to the scale of it.

And Trump had a tizzy when the bipartisan plan for reform was developed, and quashed it. Concentration camps are better than legislative reform of course, especially if THAT IS the reform and lasts perpetually.

It's the political gift that keeps on giving.

When Trump runs out of immigrants to detain and deport, there's millions of democrats and left leaners.

https://youtu.be/Zxvy3XT0u3c?si=Wep5RZN4MgUwnUW0

Trump Straight-Up Says He Hates Democrats In Iowa Speech: 'They Hate Trump But I Hate Them, Too'

From Trump's, MAGA's, Miller's perspective, it makes perfect sense to simply re-name the concentration camps to re-education facilities, (or simply education, to avoid certain connotations) and maybe reappropriate or redirect some school funding or perhaps some of the science research funding from universities, especially Harvard.

I can see it now - a 300' tall white cross at the entrance gates of each facility, which BTW are named The Earthly Pearly Gates, and on the other side a flag and pole like those Trump had installed at the WH.

Could there be anything more fitting of MAGA?

When EVERY homeless veteran, drug addicted or not. When every uninsured American, homeless, drug addicted or not, when every hungry American child, abused American child, beaten wife, disaster victim, etc. id taken care of, I'll begin to look outward.

But until then, the illegals came here, they took advantage of our generous system, many broke laws after being here. They need to go. But since the left threw a fit about their due process rights, that Obama, Bush and Clinton all ignored, they need a place to be detained until their status is determined.

Enough with the concentration camp BS. Your grandstanding isn't becoming of you.

Oh please.

Suddenly you give a shit about homeless, drug-addicted, uninsured, hungry Americans. Bullshit.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:


When EVERY homeless veteran, drug addicted or not. When every uninsured American, homeless, drug addicted or not, when every hungry American child, abused American child, beaten wife, disaster victim, etc. id taken care of, I'll begin to look outward.

America alone......

Such a shallow understanding of how we rose to be the world's top economy.

And such a hollow sentiment while supporting the big beautiful bill.

Tell me again about how you care about the less fortunate in this country?

Maybe throw in a bit about balanced budgets and being a fiscal conservative while you are at it?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:


When EVERY homeless veteran, drug addicted or not. When every uninsured American, homeless, drug addicted or not, when every hungry American child, abused American child, beaten wife, disaster victim, etc. id taken care of, I'll begin to look outward.

America alone......

Such a shallow understanding of how we rose to be the world's top economy.

And such a hollow sentiment while supporting the big beautiful bill.

Tell me again about how you care about the less fortunate in this country?

Maybe throw in a bit about balanced budgets and being a fiscal conservative while you are at it?

If you had ANY idea of what I personally have done to help the less fortunate in Arizona, you'd retract that immediately.

Raising a disabled child has taught me that there are far greater treasures in life than simply materialistic rewards.

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Raising a disabled child has taught me that there are far greater treasures in life than simply materialistic rewards.

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But I care about them far more than I do the illegal immigrants.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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But I care about them far more than I do the illegal immigrants.

Why shouldn't you care about illegal immigrants too? They only came here to better themselves, many after practically being invited to enter illegally by a prior president. Biden's lax border enforcement was idiotic, but still he spoke for the USA at the time.

Man, are they being whipsawed. "Welcome, fellow human beings," they were told; and now they're being herded up and treated like animals.

I can't blame people in other countries for not giving the US much credibility, given the way we zigzag from policy to policy.

Deport them, if appropriate, after due process, but treat them with human dignity in the meantime.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
It's a sad situation when the POTUS walks around cages bragging about how cages are so wonderful.

We're suffering this terrible situation where the POTUS is a fucking asshole that will be condemned historically for insane shit like this but, for some reason, has been embraced by our contemporary republican brethren.

Let them in. Let them work. Don't put them in jail. For the love of god, they want to work!!!! That's why they come here. They'll work construction, picking crops, hotel services cleaning up. Jobs that American citizens won't take. Somebody explain to me the problem with figuring out a system that allows them to come in and work.

We need immigration reform.

Yeah.....you democrats need your cheap labor.....cant have slaves anymore so you need those illegals to do your menial labor.....