And what about the near half million children who vanished under 0biden? Where are they? Do you think their lives have been 'bettered'? I never saw you raise any concern for their welling or whereabouts. Why is that?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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But I care about them far more than I do the illegal immigrants.

Why shouldn't you care about illegal immigrants too? They only came here to better themselves, many after practically being invited to enter illegally by a prior president. Biden's lax border enforcement was idiotic, but still he spoke for the USA at the time.

Man, are they being whipsawed. "Welcome, fellow human beings," they were told; and now they're being herded up and treated like animals.

I can't blame people in other countries for not giving the US much credibility, given the way we zigzag from policy to policy.

Deport them, if appropriate, after due process, but treat them with human dignity in the meantime.

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half million children who vanished under 0biden

We never saw you express any concern for their well-being or whereabouts, ANN. Why is that?

Maybe that's because your priority isn't for the children, but for the talking point narratives and myths.

https://www.google.com/search?...yAcA&sclient=gws-wiz

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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half million children who vanished under 0biden

We never saw you express any concern for their well-being or whereabouts, ANN. Why is that?

Maybe that's because your priority isn't for the children, but for the talking point narratives and myths.

https://www.google.com/search?...yAcA&sclient=gws-wiz

From YOUR link

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The actual number cited in reports is around 320,000 migrant children. This number is based on a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report released in August 2024.

And you want to attack ann over it. This has been a topic several times, and Ann has been involved.

Who is "we"?

You are hotly willing to attack Ann and express zero concern over HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND missing kids. You are good with that?

Pathetic

This is want I read:

"In summary, the claim of half a million children vanishing under the Biden administration is inaccurate and unsupported by credible evidence. Concerns exist about tracking unaccompanied minors and ensuring their safety, but the data often cited relates to issues with court notices and missed court dates, not children being lost or missing."

I also saw the article from New York Post and Washington Times, with their 320,000 claim. The NYP and WT have proven to be an unreliable sources. IOW, they sometimes lie and hype.

Oh and BTW, Ann's claim was for half a million. If you're gonna take the lies as fact, then why not a million?

And aside from all that, the claim being theory, it's a look over there/what about them, gaslighting thing. It has practically nothing to do with Alligator Alcatraz.

I just gaslighted her back.

Here's what Florida needs:

https://youtube.com/shorts/zN4...?si=vjBtqpicdl64HE6w

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
This is want I read:

Your typo is irony itself.

You don't own your actions, you justify and LIE. You ate intellectually dishonest and frankly, are beneath contempt

Here's the bloody quote, from your link

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Reports of a large number of children "vanished" under the Biden administration likely stem from discussions surrounding unaccompanied migrant children. The numbers being reported often refer to situations like the failure of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to serve notices to appear in court for children, not necessarily that the children are missing. Some media reports indicate that hundreds of thousands of migrant children are unaccounted for
. A Homeland Security Inspector General's report released in August 2024 revealed that the Biden-Harris administration had lost track of over 320,000 migrant children who had crossed the border without parents, placing them at risk of exploitation, including trafficking

Is it clear enough for you, or do you need you nose actually rubbed into it?

You are a disgusting individual, trying to make light of hundreds of thousands of MISSING KIDS.

And then acknowledging that you were "gaslighting" her back

Filth

Ignore my post, if that gets you off. You have made a disgusting mistake and rather than own the facts, oh ye of slippery numbers they self, you double down and lie again.

Even criminals don't F about with kids.. prison lifers dispise those that mess with kids


And here you are, denying it has happened hundreds of thousands of times, and then double down on stupid

If Trump had done the same thing, YOU wouldn't shut up about it, day and night, and then try to make it a bumper sticker slogan for your idiotic signature... ah, well, usually mental masterbation isnt paraded by the afflicted in such a fashion

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A Homeland Security Inspector General's report released in August 2024 revealed that the Biden-Harris administration had lost track of over 320,000 migrant children who had crossed the border without parents, placing them at risk of exploitation, including trafficking

Fact check:

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

"In summary, the claim that the Biden administration lost track of over 320,000 migrant children is misleading and distorts the findings of the DHS OIG report. The report identifies significant administrative and logistical challenges related to tracking unaccompanied migrant children through the immigration system, which could increase their vulnerability, but it doesn't state that these children are lost."

All I'm saying is that there is a difference in "lost" and "lost track".

Here's Ann's post:

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
And what about the near half million children who vanished under 0biden? Where are they? Do you think their lives have been 'bettered'? I never saw you raise any concern for their welling or whereabouts. Why is that?

What does "vanished" and blaming Biden really mean? What's her point?

And what's yours?

triple down, scumbag

your original link disagrees with your "hunting for a way out rather than being an adult human"

you are a terrible person - you are playing FRICKING GAMES about this ...

this is your sign .. read it . make a correction

You are too much, jeffee.

I'm not going to reciprocate your insane nastiness, just in case you are wondering.

Your baiting and trolling and name calling is all on you.

Apologize any time.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You are too much, jeffee.

I'm not going to reciprocate your insane nastiness, just in case you are wondering.

Your baiting and trolling and name calling is all on you.

Apologize any time.

You are the SCUMBAG trying to deny a horrible situation.

And then you think you get to ask for an apology for the person pointing out your scumbag actions?

So, you've posted about it. You are concerned about it, the whole Dark Triad / narcissist thing.

You are past-time to revert and mea culpa.

Your own links, scum, prove you wrong.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Dodge, deflect, lie, hide, and don't own your actions.

Honey, I get bored even thinking about many times you have run off the topic rails

When do you mea culpa? Or are you just gonna be a SCAMBAG

You're projecting again, jeffee.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
i'll just be a scumbag, thanks

you are SCUM - you are beneath contempt, you are a horrible person -- no one likes you, and your kids don't call

i hope you have the rest of the life you DESERVE .. that's Texan for "bless your heart"

How the phuck did you get a title "moderator"?

WTF is wrong with you?

You just violated etiquette bigly. I'm talking about decency. I don't know about forum etiquette, enforced or unwritten.

But I was under the impression that this forum and the administrators kept pretty good reigns on decency vs indecency.

We shall see if you change your behavior or just simply disappear.

Either way, it's clear to see who you are.

BTW, I captured and quoted your post just in case you decide to edit it:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
i'll just be a scumbag, thanks

you are SCUM - you are beneath contempt, you are a horrible person -- no one likes you, and your kids don't call

i hope you have the rest of the life you DESERVE .. that's Texan for "bless your heart"

Aside from the name calling and personal insults, you intentionally misquoted me.

That amounts to a blatant lie.

There have been several participants banned in the past for such behavior.

You render this forum to nothing but a pissing match insofar as your participation. No other contribution of significance.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
How the phuck did you get a title "moderator"?

WTF is wrong with you?

You just violated etiquette bigly. I'm talking about decency. I don't know about forum etiquette, enforced or unwritten.

But I was under the impression that this forum and the administrators kept pretty good reigns on decency vs indecency.

We shall see if you change your behavior or just simply disappear.

Either way, it's clear to see who you are.

Honey, YOU misquote me constantly. Like I haven offered grandma, find ONE POST where I have instructed you as a moderator. Since you don't understand, go up to the top of this forum and see who is the mod.

Your are still a scumbag. Unable to process your actions and own it.

You are SCUM. YOU make political hay out of children. Even the lifers in prison know you are scum of the earth.

Get over yourself and be an adult and owning it.

Scumbag

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YOU misquote me constantly

That's a lie.

I NEVER misquote anyone on this forum.

Is leaving out "honey" misquoting you?

What you did was not just leave out something I posted. You inserted an entire sentence and posted it as a quote.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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YOU misquote me constantly

That's a lie.

I NEVER misquote anyone on this forum.

yeah, sure you don't, scum bag -- when you going to own you are playing polics? step right up, be a MAN about it .. it's a challenge, but you can do it...

you have been called out THIS WEEK for it -- i won't go back an look it up, you'll deny it, like EVERY other time you've been corrected ...

you are a horrible person

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Like I haven offered grandma, find ONE POST where I have instructed you as a moderator. Since you don't understand, go up to the top of this forum and see who is the mod.

Well, Don (DRG) take note of what this f*cker is doing.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Like I haven offered grandma, find ONE POST where I have instructed you as a moderator. Since you don't understand, go up to the top of this forum and see who is the mod.

Well, Don (DRG) take note of what this f*cker is doing.

Karen, go ahead. Engage drg and Saeed. Reach out to the manager. Is looking at the top of the forum a crime?

You are a scumbag. You are a horrible person. And rather than owning it you HOPE that DRG will step in and stop me from posting. Honey, they let YOUR lying self post whatever you like.

But turn it personal.. make it about the person. Funny, when anyone else does, YOU ignore the post. Get over yourself and be an adult. Own it.

Oh, honey, *i* nearly never swear, that violates TOS

You, dear troll, represent the reason other political forums are nasty beyond incentive to participate.

Some allow the vitriol, which just makes the forum worthless.

I participate in this forum because for the most part, largely, there is no one left who is as nasty as you.

It's tough enough to have discussion or debate without the noise overwhelming the signal.

Honestly, I wish you would straighten up or STFU, or disappear. I don't care which.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You, dear troll, represent the reason other political forums are nasty beyond incentive to participate.

Some allow the vitriol, which just makes the forum worthless.

I participate in this forum because for the most part, largely, there is no one left who is as nasty as you.

It's tough enough to have discussion or debate without the noise overwhelming the signal.

Honestly, I wish you would straighten up or STFU, or disappear. I don't care which.

I have lost count, how many times are you doubling down, scumbag? YOU are a horrible human

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I have lost count, how many times are you doubling down, scumbag? YOU are a horrible human

Have you lost count of how many times I've ignored you?

You have no idea.

Well I'm done ignoring you.

keep

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

I have lost count, how many times are you doubling down, scumbag? YOU are a horrible human

Have you lost count of how many times I've ignored you?

You have no idea.

Well I'm done ignoring you.

keep

All you have you have to do is admit that 300+k of lost kids is bad and that YOUR A SIDE did it. You can do it, Maddie. Embrace the suck

What I'll admit is that I posted the best summary fact check I could find.

It did not affirm the claim. Instead it explained why the claim was at best misleading, and misinformed.

The claim is an intentional damaging political narrative - get it?

It's presented as truth, which it is not. It's a spew from rightist media, and you bought it.

I could pull your same twist, and do the look over there thing by asking how many children has Wormtongue and Trump admin lost, and pull the gaslighting thing on you. But I won't.

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Well I'm done ignoring you.

Mistake. Just scroll past his posts, as I do. He can't make you read and respond to them, no matter how hard he trolls.

It does no good to complain about him. His moderator status at this site protects him. Don and Saeed must be his buddies.

It doesn't matter that we've seen other people banned for much less trolling he gets away with. He's protected, see?

Ignoring him is your only remedy. Deny him the attention he craves.

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Ignoring him is your only remedy. Deny him the attention he craves.

That makes sense. My reasoning tells me you're right. My emotions push me.

And I rationalize it by telling myself that I enjoy phucking with him. He's too easy BTW.

But he's like Trump in that he craves attention even if it reflects badly on him.

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Well I'm done ignoring you.

Mistake. Just scroll past his posts, as I do. He can't make you read and respond to them, no matter how hard he trolls.

It does no good to complain about him.

Ignoring him is your only remedy. Deny him the attention he craves.

I've been thinking about an analogy for jeffee and his behavior

Remember Snot, the leg humping dog in the Christmas Vacation movie with Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid?.

https://youtu.be/fKncYRJQRC8?si=m8qpCdetlgO2NuRA
Cousin Eddie and Snot - Christmas Vacation (5/10) Movie CLIP (1989)

The best part starts about 0:33

https://youtu.be/fKncYRJQRC8?si=_SwB3dhRozt6eTYj&t=33

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Well I'm done ignoring you.

Mistake. Just scroll past his posts, as I do. He can't make you read and respond to them, no matter how hard he trolls.

It does no good to complain about him.

Ignoring him is your only remedy. Deny him the attention he craves.

I've been thinking about an analogy for jeffee and his behavior

Remember Snot, the leg humping dog in the Christmas Vacation movie with Chevy Chase and Randy Quaid?.

https://youtu.be/fKncYRJQRC8?si=m8qpCdetlgO2NuRA
Cousin Eddie and Snot - Christmas Vacation (5/10) Movie CLIP (1989)

The best part starts about 0:33

https://youtu.be/fKncYRJQRC8?si=_SwB3dhRozt6eTYj&t=33

You got little jimmy, who "doesn't" read my posts, supporting you and you Nth-double down -- you don't recognize what happens to "Trafficed" people, including KIDS, and there's hundreds of thousands of them MISSING. THEN you want to play name calling, swearing, insulting, karen'ing, and back to mockery

because your are a LOW PERSON, scumbag

Dems are all about the children…
You remember Pelosi? “ What about the children “
You Dems spare me your caring…only if it fits your nefarious goals
And all those cries “ Hungry children “
Hell, my kids were always hungry…it’s just the ways kids are
Truly hungry kids are just neglection of messed up druggie parents
Every town and every county has food banks full of so much food
I know plenty of well off people who go to food bank
This whole thing is preposterous and downright bullshit propagated by Dems and their political posturing

Whether I realize what happens to "trafficked" people or not is aside the point.

The point is that claims were made, rightist media narratives, and there is insufficient evidence and facts to support the claims and contrived implications as true.

Yet you run with it, and call me a "LOW PERSON", etc.

And you are a hypocrite. If you really cared about what happens to immigrant children, you wouldn't support Wormtongue. Instead you would have supported some organized and reasonable bipartisan legislation to remedy whatever it could and provide funding for staff to administer the processes.

Instead, you appear to support the cruelty and lies and propaganda of the Trump admin.

Biden and Biden only is responsible for all the trafficked children as he allowed the invasion happen under his watch

I have to agree with Jeffe here where it concerns you, Magine. I have brought the issue up several times during 0biden's reign. You are disgusting.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
You are too much, jeffee.

I'm not going to reciprocate your insane nastiness, just in case you are wondering.

Your baiting and trolling and name calling is all on you.

Apologize any time.

You are the SCUMBAG trying to deny a horrible situation.

And then you think you get to ask for an apology for the person pointing out your scumbag actions?

So, you've posted about it. You are concerned about it, the whole Dark Triad / narcissist thing.

You are past-time to revert and mea culpa.

Your own links, scum, prove you wrong.

You disgusting self-righteous rightist extremists keep on with making Biden wrong with contrived BS, dots that don't connect, etc.

It's all an affirmation narrative, designed to deflect attention from the atrocities of Trump and Wormtongue.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
you don't recognize what happens to "Trafficed" [sic] people, including KIDS, and there's hundreds of thousands of them MISSING.

Trafficking people could be interpreted to include what the Trump admin is doing and what Alligator Alcatraz is about.

https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp

AI Overview
Trafficking people, also known as human trafficking or trafficking in persons, is a serious crime that involves the exploitation of individuals through the use of force, fraud, or coercion.

This exploitation can take various forms, including:

Forced Labor: Compelling someone to work or provide services against their will through intimidation, manipulation of debt, or other coercive means. This can occur in various industries, including domestic work, agriculture, construction, factories, and restaurants.

Sex Trafficking: Forcing or deceiving someone into engaging in commercial sex acts, which is a crime regardless of whether force, fraud, or coercion is involved if the victim is a minor.

Key Aspects of Human Trafficking:

Exploitation: The core element is the exploitation of a person for labor or commercial sex.

Means: Traffickers use various tactics, such as force, threats, manipulation, false promises of jobs or relationships, and debt bondage, to control their victims.

Vulnerability: Traffickers often target individuals who are vulnerable due to factors like poverty, unstable home lives, lack of employment opportunities, or a history of abuse.

Scope: Human trafficking can happen in any community, affects individuals of all ages, races, genders, and nationalities, and occurs both domestically and internationally.

Consent: A person's initial consent to a job or relationship does not negate the crime of trafficking if the situation evolves into exploitation through force, fraud, or coercion.

Not the same as Human Smuggling: Human trafficking is about exploitation, while human smuggling is about illegally moving someone across a border, often with their consent.

In summary, trafficking people means treating someone as a commodity to be exploited for profit, typically by controlling them through coercion and deception.

====================================================

Human trafficking could also include "disappearing" people.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...UIR?ocid=socialshare

The Supreme Court just made it so that you can no longer look away

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Whether I realize what happens to "trafficked" people or not is aside the point.

The point is that claims were made, rightist media narratives, and there is insufficient evidence and facts to support the claims and contrived implications as true.

Yet you run with it, and call me a "LOW PERSON", etc.

And you are a hypocrite. If you really cared about what happens to immigrant children, you wouldn't support Wormtongue. Instead you would have supported some organized and reasonable bipartisan legislation to remedy whatever it could and provide funding for staff to administer the processes.

Instead, you appear to support the cruelty and lies and propaganda of the Trump admin.

your own links support it -- low person, you are scum -

why do we need new laws on this? we changed presidents, changed focus, and suddenly border interactions are near zero, rather than 10-12k PER DAY --

You need to own your action, pariah. You are SCUM. You are disgusting. You are a low person ...

and the only person supporting you is a self proclaimed elitist that thinks he deserves extra votes than you - he's not your friend.

That you think not knowing what happens to trafficed persons is bide the point, then the point is trafficed persons? does this work on ANYONE?

how can you live with yourself? do you even own a mirror?

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
you don't recognize what happens to "Trafficed" [sic] people, including KIDS, and there's hundreds of thousands of them MISSING.

Trafficking people could be interpreted to include what the Trump admin is doing and what Alligator Alcatraz is about.

collecting criminals to a cell isn't trafficing, scumbag, it's carrying out the law ... you might read the 13th amendment, again, scum.

only a soft headed liberal would take due process as "trafficing" ..

horrible person, how can you stand yourself?

Alligator Alcatraz is a remote holding facility for CRIMINALS-

but you wouldn't understand that, as you neither principals or morals -

and yet another attempt to shift the subject -

you are scum ... but i repeat myself

It's very easy to realize how the "fear" Trump instills in the immigrates. and the consequences of that especially for those residing within the country and especially for those who have children.

The best of them try to hide. And MAGA AHs are watching and ready to racially profile all the time.

But the point is that it all makes them even more vulnerable to exploitation and trafficking.

It's a pariah thing to do to people.

And the self-righteous zealotry of MAGA citizens is ---- over the top. It's some scary shit.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
It's very easy to realize how the "fear" Trump instills in the immigrates. and the consequences of that especially for those residing within the country and especially for those who have children.

Immigrants have nothing to fear. Illegal aliens should self deport. None of that changes that you are scum that uses children being trafficked as a political pawn. And you were complicit with budens actions.
You are scum

**First they came for the brown faces, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not brown.
Then they came for the so-deemed low persons, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a low person.
Then they came for the so-deemed scum, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not scum.
Then they came for the so-deemed liberal and agnostic trash, and we know the rest of that story from history.**