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one of the smiths that it seems I keep on retainer, builds superbly accurate long range hunting rifles, he says, if my rifles won't shoot 1.5" groups at 500 yards they won't leave my shop. I'll use any barrel you want but if you use lilja, hart, broughton, kreiger, or rock creek you'll make my job alot easier.

Does anyone buy this?

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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one of the smiths that it seems I keep on retainer, builds superbly accurate long range hunting rifles, he says, if my rifles won't shoot 1.5" groups at 500 yards they won't leave my shop. I'll use any barrel you want but if you use lilja, hart, broughton, kreiger, or rock creek you'll make my job alot easier.

Does anyone buy this?

Not me ...

Nope

If I could build a rifle that shot .3 moa out to 500 yards I'd be damn good but to say that using a select few barrels would make my life easier. That's just flat out BS. So he can build a rifle that shoots that good with any barrel????

Caliber not stated either, although it matters

If it was true then we'd already know this clown's name, he'd be an automatic overnight sensation. 1.5 MOA, more likely.
Regards, Joe

Easily verified, just get the smiths name.

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Originally posted by Rub Line:
Easily verified, just get the smiths name.

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his name is kirby Allen, his company is APS (Allen Precision Shooting) of Ft. Shaw Montana, his email is kballen@3rivers.net he can be found at www.longrangehunting.com where he is a sponsor and he goes by the name of Fiftydriver

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one of the smiths that it seems I keep on retainer, builds superbly accurate long range hunting rifles, he says, if my rifles won't shoot 1.5" groups at 500 yards they won't leave my shop. I'll use any barrel you want but if you use lilja, hart, broughton, kreiger, or rock creek you'll make my job alot easier.

OK, I send this guy my action and an Adams and Bennett barrel . He says it won't leave his shop if it doesn't shoot 1.5" @ 500. If that's the case, I'm guessin' I'll never see that barrel and action again.

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Originally posted by ramrod340:

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one of the smiths that it seems I keep on retainer, builds superbly accurate long range hunting rifles, he says, if my rifles won't shoot 1.5" groups at 500 yards they won't leave my shop. I'll use any barrel you want but if you use lilja, hart, broughton, kreiger, or rock creek you'll make my job alot easier.

+1

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Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
If it was true then we'd already know this clown's name, he'd be an automatic overnight sensation. 1.5 MOA, more likely.
Regards, Joe

That is pretty likely the case. Guaranteeing "1.5 MOA out to 500yds" is quite a bit different than guaranteeing "1.5 inches at 500yds."

Even if the guy has some VooDoo technigue for defying basic physics (making a totable hunting rifle that shoots 1.5" at 500) you still gotta be able to consistently shoot the thing that well.

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Even if the guy has some VooDoo technigue for defying basic physics (making a totable hunting rifle that shoots 1.5" at 500) you still gotta be able to consistently shoot the thing that well.

+1

Even if the rifle will do it everything else has to be almost perfect in order for it to happen, the least little breeze and the group will open up. Sounds like he's full of shit to me.

Yeah, on the web and in gun magazines, they all shoot .5 inch groups at 500 yards, but you need an 8-24X variable scope with illuminated mil dot reticle (which no one really knows how to use), 56mm objective lens, and built in laser range finder. Oh, and a bipod; definitely with a bipod. Can't hit anything without one of those flimsy stamped bipods.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by J.D.Steele:
If it was true then we'd already know this clown's name, he'd be an automatic overnight sensation. 1.5 MOA, more likely.
Regards, Joe

That is pretty likely the case. Guaranteeing "1.5 MOA out to 500yds" is quite a bit different than guaranteeing "1.5 inches at 500yds."

Initially that's what I thought.....1.5 MOA but the poster is adamant.....it's as it says.....

1.5" groups at 500 yards..... or in other words .3 MOA group all the way to 500 yards.....

That claim is pretty aggressive.. He is selling but I am not buying.

Do I buy that?
No not me, but there are many that do.

Here's a link to the other thread:

click here

There's even a .34" group posted at 750 yards!!!! ....and yes....just slightly over 5/16"

Remember this is some guy saying this about a builder, not the builder that we know of for sure.

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Here's a link to the other thread:

click here

There's even a .34" group posted at 750 yards!!!! ....and yes....just slightly over 5/16"

Sure glad I don't waste my time posting over there.

Hey Vapo, Anyone knows that a guy that has over 3500 posts MUST know his stuff

I mean my god he shows the target right there

Ok for one lets put things in context.
1. they stated 1.5" @ 500 yards guaranteed. BS
2. A .34" group @ 750 yards is not unheard of but that by no means guarantees it can be done consistently. Same with a 1.4" 1000 yard .50 cal record. Sure it can be done but not day in day out even with the same loads and shooter. Thats best group not the average

And the pic of the .34" group is just about edge to edge on the holes. From Center to center thats about a .17 Caliber rifle You see there is nothing in the picture to denote size of the group. No dime, no ruler, no nada Hell he could say that was a 3 shot group at 1500 yards using a 50 and the group in .875" with nothing to compare the hole pattern to it means nothing.

Ask that dip to dig out that target and lay a ruler on it and you will see how fast he learns to use Photoshop

Or piss him off big time tell him his rifle has bedding issues.... It strings verticaly

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Originally posted by kcstott:
Hey Vapo, Anyone knows that a guy that has over 3500 posts MUST know his stuff

3500 posts? I wonder when he gets time to go out & shoot?

Exactly

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Originally posted by craigster:
OK, I send this guy my action and an Adams and Bennett barrel . He says it won't leave his shop if it doesn't shoot 1.5" @ 500. If that's the case, I'm guessin' I'll never see that barrel and action again.

Exactly, as others have said, 1.5 MOA at 500 would be reasonable, but 1.5 inches...

.5 moa is doable, with all bench rest grade components, a trued action, and one of the great accuracy gunsmiths in this country.

Not that I question this man's integrity or statements, but I would have to be there and see it done. Twice in a row.

Rich

heck, my old Krieghoff 500 NE DR would consistently shoot 1/2 inch one shot groups at 500 yards.

well somebody must buy it to keep him in business. now at PT Barnum used to say

.34 at 750..........3 shots........out of how many......
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I wonder what color the sky is in his world...................

and thats why I don't post here much
RR

There's guys in my area that are very capable of that accuracy. One has shot 10 shots under 4 inches at 1000 yards.I have shot 3/4 inch groups at 300 yards.It's not whether a rifle is capable of it ,it's the shooter.

another kirby allen creation, guess its BS also
http://www.longrangehunting.co...gnum-repeater-42384/
seems to me y'alls being kinda hypoctitical, bustin on my post count on HNI, check yours, and your comrads. vapo's posted more since jan 1 here than I did all of 2010.
so you all just stay here and stroke your ego's and I'll not bother comin here anymore long as you keep your dogs tied.
RR

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Originally posted by highridge1:
There's guys in my area that are very capable of that accuracy. One has shot 10 shots under 4 inches at 1000 yards.I have shot 3/4 inch groups at 300 yards.It's not whether a rifle is capable of it ,it's the shooter.

With all due respect, it's whether the rifle & shooter can do it EVERY TIME!

We all know the gunshop experts who carry around a braggin' group or 2 in their wallets.

Punks, every one of 'em.

Punks brag about an occasional lucky group, experts keep and analyze their targets and also keep a running average of their performance. An occasional lucky group can happen to anyone but it's the REPEAT performance that separates the punks from the experts.

Show me an AVERAGE of .3 (or even .5!) MOA for 10 10-shot groups shot consecutively at over 500 yards and I'll sit up and take notice.(!!) Show me one or 2 bughole 3- or even 5-shot groups and I'll just yawn in his face.
Regards, Joe

We build plenty of long range target rifles, and I compete at 600 and 1000 yards.

Against some of the best in the nation.

I ain't goin for it.

BTW... you'll find a couple of my groups here.

flaco

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We build plenty of long range target rifles, and I compete at 600 and 1000 yards.

Against some of the best in the nation.

I ain't goin for it.

BTW... you'll find a couple of my groups here.

flaco

wait a minute, your an office manager, you compete against some of the best in the nation and your off 1/2 moa windage in calm conditions first 1 way and then the other, but you say you won't buy a .34" group at 750? how about a 5" group at 1 mile? or a rockchuck kill at 2370?
seems to me the only reason you are where your at cause you snagged a job where they make guns, not cause you can shoot!
RR
outta here, man what a bunch of wannabees

Folks, I have never known Ridge to lie. I don't think he is saying he shoots 1.5" groups every time. I think he is saying the gun is capable of that. And on occassion, he has gotten some very impressive groups with his rig.

I buy that any day of the week.

Vapo, IMO, got his feathers ruffled a few times on HNI, and now is kinda being less than honest here. Just my opinion.

You're out of your league, Ridge Runner-

I compete at 600 yards on a monthly basis, and I'm here to tell you that 1.5" groups are few and far between.

And this is with dedicated benchrest rifles and competent shooters.

At a range with some of the best conditions in the nation.

You just don't know what you're talking about.

You can find a little bit of real life here!

The results of the NBRSA 2010 600 Yard Nationals.

Yep, some of the best in the Nation. The Light Gun results are right at the top.

Note that only four of roughly 50 competitors shot a group smaller than 1.6"

Shooting six targets over three days.

flaco

[Edited to add six targets over three days and delete "Blow Hard".]

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Originally posted by flaco:
[Edited to ... delete "Blow Hard".]

LoL, very subtle Flaco!

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seems to me the only reason you are where your at cause you snagged a job where they make guns, not cause you can shoot!

doesn't change this, lets see your 750 yard groups, you really think your good? LMAO!
RR

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You're out of your league, Ridge Runner-

I compete at 600 yards on a monthly basis, and I'm here to tell you that 1.5" groups are few and far between.

thats at 600 on the best range in the country and you miss the wind call by 1/2 moa on a calm day on 2 groups back to back
yeah your really good!

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And this is with dedicated benchrest rifles and competent shooters.

your sure about that?

At a range with some of the best conditions in the nation.

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You just don't know what you're talking about.

I've been doin this since 1981, I think I do know what I'm talking about

You can find a little bit of real life here!

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The results of the NBRSA 2010 600 Yard Nationals.

Yep, some of the best in the Nation. The Light Gun results are right at the top.

Note that only four of roughly 50 competitors shot a group smaller than 1.6"

Tom sarver in july of 2007 shot a group at thunder valley range in thunder valley ohio that was a 5x 50 1.04" for 5 shot setting an unprecedented 1000yard record, so basicly your 1.5" 600 yard groups suk, when you get to that level condemn me, until then shutup!
RR

Shooting six targets over three days.

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