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I think when folks read the thread it's obvious to them as to who is offering indisputable data as reinforcement for their arguement, as opposed to who is simply acting like a wet-nosed adolescent brat, resorting to 4th grade name-calling as a defense. | |||
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Go shoot at paper, your washed up..... -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Smack's brother killed a Deer with 1 shot and the bullet exited. You claim the cartridge used is inadiquate for the task at hand, yet the results indicate that the cartridge was perfectly adequate. Yet, you think that the facts support your postion? Think again  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Rcamuglia sealed his own fate with his own post.. The 6.5 grendel has 657 foot pounds of energy at 500 yards. Do the math!! That is plenty to kill a Mule deer. It has never been about which cartridge is better. It's been about RC running his yap about the Grendel not being enough. You can BS the fans RC but you can't BS the players. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Pretty touchy subject, eh, Smack. If you think this is heated, you should have visited the political forum before everyone left.  BTW, were just fu*#ing with ya. Well, I am, anyways.  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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You don't have to yell. You've been yelling the whole thread. | |||
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He's just typing slow _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Really? What next?  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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How does the 6.5 Grendel compare to the 6.8 rem ? I would like to see a pic of those two side by side. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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I would not attempt with the 6.8 SPC what the 6.5 Grendel can do. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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I don't have a 6.8. smack might if he can quit throwing a tantrum long enough. | |||
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Do I see a play nice flag?  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Just looked them up. They are incredibly close. Reason I was curious is that obviously the grendel works on deer and the 6.8 comes in the ruger 77 compact. Except for the fact that I hate 16" barrels I think it would be a nice compact deer gun. Kinda maybe leaning towards the 25 wssm too though. -------------------- THANOS WAS RIGHT! | |||
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A 25 WSSM with a 110gr Nosler Accubond would be fun to work with. We have thought about getting a Olympic Arms barrel and putting one together on a AR platform but I ended up puttiing together a 26" heavey .204 Ruger on a AR.  I may still try the 25 WSSM out, all I would have to do Is change out the barrel, magazine and bolt on the AR .204 Ruger. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Anyone want a smoking deal on a 26" heavy Whiteoak .204 Ruger AR barrel? I was not impressed. I will stick with .223 on the AR platform and .223 AI on the varmint bolt gun. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Well Sh** for brains, I don't think that the 6.5 Grendel is inadequate for mule deer but I do think that you are an a$$ faced moron with the social graces of a pig and the intellect to match. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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PC is for pussies, love the avatar.....CA, wouldn't expect any different.  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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These are the character attributes that make one choose the Grendel for Long Range Big Game.  But I'm glad you were the one who came out and said it.  smack is obviously Busheler at a different IP. | |||
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Round and round we go!  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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 /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I don't have a dog in this fight but I am curious; How do those of you who feel the Grendel is inadequate for this shot feel about bow hunting for the same game? I neither bow hunt or have the skills necessary to make a shot like the one that started this shit storm but I would like to know your perspective on this. -+-+- "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - The Dalai Lama | |||
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The Killing method is completely different in the way death is brought about. An extremely "sharp" blade allows Blood to flow quickly and easily through the resulting cut. It is very difficult to stop blood flow from a sharp cut. The Bullet inflicts Trauma to what ever is in its way, but does not create the same "type" of blood flow. Torn tissue bleeds slower and tends to Clot more than cut tissue. There is a lot to learn from an experienced Bow Hunter that is easily applied to rifle/handgun Hunting. But, basically, the way the Bullet and a Blade bring about death is just totally different. | |||
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What HC said. Also, if someone bragged they shot a mule deer with a bow at 135 yards, I'd be equally pissed off. There is a big difference between hunting and sniping. IMO, sniping gives us all a bad name. Flame away Smack.  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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Killed a Mulie at 62 yards with a bow, where does that rate on you "Unethical" scale?  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Did you take stringing lessons from tomek?  | |||
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IMO, with modern gear and a lot of practice, beyond 80 is pushing it. 62 is well within my comfort zone. I've target shot my Bowtech Tribute out to 100 yards, but I would never wing one at a big game animal at that range, nor would I brag about a 50+ yard shot. For me, I would brag about a 10 yard shot, brag about my "hunting/stalking" skills. Everything is fine and dandy till shit goes wrong, then it tends to wrong in a big way. "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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Yup....that's exactly how it works.....at least for me.....nothing ever goes wrong a little.... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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No, but I intentionally ran a Coyote down on a KTM 620 once. Took three good passes but the end results were as good as any .243 Win/ V-Max combo I have seen. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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_____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Smack, Why don't you run down to New Mexico and shoot the course with the google computer jockey? I'd be interested in the outcome. | |||
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I'd do it. Plenty enough with the right bullet. | |||
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I don't know the specs on the Ruger compact but I will say since the 6.8SPC first came out it has been refined and is now better than before. They were released with 1:9.5 twist rate barrels that were to fast and created to much pressure so they were down loaded. Not to mention at the time there was only a few light .277 caliber bullets suited for the 6.8spc. Fast forward a few years and there has been major changes to the chambering. For one the chamber has been improved much like the 5.56 vs the .223 and the twist rate has been changed to a more approiate twist for the lighter bullets the 6.8 is designed for. You will find it in either 1:10, 1:11, or 1:12. With the increased chamber and twists the 6.8 gains more velocity and range. It was designed to be fired from a 16" barrel unlike the Grendel which was designed for 20+ inches. I have a 16" Grendel and wouldn't hesitate to use it while deer hunting. I haven't shot it at distances past 300yds and have not shot anything other than coyote with it so I can only comment on my experience in that area. It worked like a charm with the 95gr V max bullets. I think I am getting closer to 2500fps with the 120gr Sierra pro hunters but this is using my Chrony so I could be off a little. | |||
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Elmer Keiths 600yd Mule deer with handgun,..... Paul Kriley and I hunted up Clear Creek on the right side where it is partly open bunch grass meadows and partly patches of timber. We hunted all day, and although we saw several does at 80-90 yards, one at 60, that I could have killed. We passed them up, as I wanted a buck. Toward evening we topped out on a ridge. There was a swale between us and another small ridge on the side of the mountain slope about 300-400 yards away. Beyond that, out on the open sidehill, no doubt on account of the cougar, were about 20 mule deer, feeding. Two big bucks were in the band, and some lesser ones, the rest were does and long fawns. As it was getting late and the last day of the season, I wanted one of those bucks for meat. Being a half-mile away, I told Paul, “Take the .300 Magnum and duck back through this swale to that next ridge and that should put you within about 500 yards of them. I’ll stay here (the deer had seen us), let them watch me for a decoy.” Paul said, “You take the rifle.” “I said, how is it sighted?” He said, “one inch high at a hundred yards.” I told him to go ahead because I wouldn’t know where to hold it. I always sighted a .300 Magnum 3 inches high at a hundred and I wouldn’t know where to hold it at 500. I said, “You go ahead and kill the biggest buck in the bunch for me.” Paul took off, went across the swale and climbed the ridge, laid down and crawled up to the top. He shot. The lower of the two bucks, which he later said was the biggest one, dropped and rolled down the mountain. I then took off across the swale to join him. Just before I climbed up the ridge to where he was lying, he started shooting again. When I came up on top, the band of deer was pretty well long gone. They’d gone out to the next ridge top, turned up it slightly and went over. But the old buck was up following their trail, one front leg a-swinging. Paul had hit it. I asked Paul, “Is there any harm in me getting into this show?” He said, “No, go ahead.” I had to lay down prone, because if I crawled over the hill to assume my old backside positioning, then the blast of his gun would be right in my ear. Shooting prone with a .44 Magnum is something I don’t like at all. The concussion is terrific. It will just about bust your ear drums every time. At any rate Paul shot and missed. I held all of the front sight up, or practically all of it, and perched the running deer on top of the front sight and squeezed one off. Paul said, “I saw it through my scope. It hit in the mud and snow right below him.” There was possibly six inches of wet snow, with muddy ground underneath. I told him “I won’t be low the next shot.” Paul shot again and missed with his .300 Magnum. The next time I held all of the front sight up and a bit of the ramp, just perched the deer on top. After the shot the gun came down out of recoil and the bullet had evidently landed. The buck made a high buck-jump, swapped ends, and came back toward us, shaking his head. I told Paul I must have hit a horn. I asked him to let the buck come back until he was right on us if he would, let him come as close as he would and I’d jump up and kill him. When he came back to where Paul had first rolled him, out about 500 yards, Paul said, “I could hit him now, I think.” “Well,” I said, “I don’t like to see a deer run on three legs. Go ahead.” He shot again and missed. The buck swapped ends and turned around and went back right over the same trail. Paul said, “I’m out of ammunition. Empty.” I told him to reload, duck back out of sight, go on around the hill and head the old buck off, and I’d chase him on around. Paul took off on a run to go around this bunch-grass hill and get up above the buck and on top. He was young, husky, and could run like a deer himself. I got on the old buck again with all of the front sight and a trifle of the ramp up. Just as I was going to squeeze it off when he got to the ridge, he turned up it just as the band of deer had done. So I moved the sight picture in front of him and shot. After an interval he went down and out of sight. I didn’t think anything of it, thought he had just tipped over the ridge. It took me about half an hour to get across. When I got over there to the ridge, I saw where he’d rolled down the hill about fifty yards, bleeding badly, and then he’d gotten up and walked from the tracks to the ridge in front of us. There were a few pine trees down below, so I cut across to intercept his tracks. I could see he was bleeding out both sides. Just before I got to the top of the ridge, I heard a shot up above me and then another shot, and I yelled and asked if it was Paul. He answered. I asked, “Did you get him?” He said, “Yes, he’s down there by that big pine tree below you. Climb a little higher and you can see him.” Paul came down and we went down to the buck. Paul said the buck was walking along all humped up very slowly. He held back of the shoulders as he was quartering away. The first shot went between his forelegs and threw up snow. Then he said the buck turned a little more away from him and he held higher and dropped him. Finally we parted the hair in the right flank and found where the 180-grain needle-pointed Remington spitzer had gone in. Later I determined it blew up and lodged in the left shoulder. At any rate I looked his horns over, trying to see where I’d hit a horn. No sign of it. Finally I found a bullet hole back of the right jaw and it came out of the top of his nose. That was the shot I’d hit him with out at 600 yards. Then Paul said, “Who shot him through the lungs broadside? I didn’t, never had that kind of shot at all.” There was an entrance hole fairly high on the right side of the rib cage just under the spine and an exit just about three or four inches lower on the other side. The deer had been approximately the same elevation as I was when I fired that last shot at him. We dressed him, drug him down the trail on Clear Creek, hung him up, and went on down to the ranch. The next day a man named Posy and I came back with a pack horse, loaded him and took him in. I took a few pictures of him hanging in the woodshed along with the Smith & Wesson .44 Mag. I took him home and hung him up in the garage. About ten days later my son Ted came home from college and I told him, “Ted, go out and skin that big buck and get us some chops. They should be well-ripened and about right for dinner tonight.” After awhile Ted came in and he laid the part jacket of a Remington bullet on the table beside me and he said, “Dad, I found this right beside the exit hole on the left side of that buck’s ribs.” Then I knew that I had hit him at that long range two out of four times. I believe I missed the first shot, we didn’t see it at all, and it was on the second that Paul said he saw snow and mud fly up at his heels. I wrote it up and I’ve been called a liar ever since, but Paul Kriley is still alive and able to vouch for the facts. Elmer Keith | |||
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I can't find the author of this statement.....but it just can't be supported....it's bullshit... The .41 Magnum has almost three times the energy! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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6.5Grendel is quoted at 657fpe/500yd. Cor Bon 41mag/180Barnes 1300mv/676 ftlbs muzzle energy Winchester 41mag175gn silver tip 1250mv/607 ftlb muzzle energy a couple Federal 41mag loads offer around 700ftlb muzzle energy. | |||
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The .41 Mag generates (with standard factory ) loads about 1300 ft-lb..... And I'm not buying the Grendel data....its more like 430 ft-lbs Sorry...it's not flying near this poster! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Nosler 6.5mm 120BT (.458 bc)@2400mv; according to ballistic calulator thats 1581/665 at 500yd. Why do you doubt it? ... by all means demonstrate how you come to your 430 ft-lb conclusion. | |||
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 Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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+1 I don't have a dog in this fight either. But come'on... the job got done with the use of the 6.5 Grendel. End of discussion. Put your personal differences aside and look at the facts. | |||
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