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I was going to start a poll thread with photos comparing the 6.5 Grendel to commonly accepted North American Big Game cartridges such as the .30-'06 or the .300 Winchester Magnum. It is a fairly new chambering created in 2002 so I'm sure those who have read the moronic "Mulie taken at 493 yards with 6.5 Grendel..." and have an opinion may not even have seen the 6.5 Grendel loaded cartridge. I originally wanted to post the pics and have AR members choose the one they thought was best for shooting Deer and Elk at long range. The purpose was to be to determine the percentage of folks perusing this site who are clueless, rookies, neophites, and idiots with absolutely no knowledge of ballistics or respect for the North American Big Game that we revere and spend millions of dollars managing. But after getting the 6.5 Grendel cartridge from my friend tonight and taking pictures of it next to common objects and other cartridges that I shoot and load for, I can't pretend and go through the motions. Look and see for yourself. Your comments will be appreciated and seen by your hunting and shooting peers... These are the cartridges I shoot and/or load for:  (Left to Right).22 short, .22 LR, .17HMR, .223 Rem, .22-250 Rem, .243 wssm, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 30-30 Winchester 150gr Silvertip, .30-06 Springfield, .300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm RUM. For Robert, smack, TEANCUM:  The .17HMR, .223 Rem, 6.5 Grendel  The 6.5 Grendel and the .22-250 Remington  The 6.5 Grendel, the 30-06 Springfield, the .300 Winchester Magnum    A business card, the Grendel and a US Quarter. Is seeing, believing? Thoughts? | ||
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Please refer to this clowns(Rcamuglia) posts at the link bellow. He can't stand the fact he's wrong. He needs a circle group for support. http://forums.accuratereloadin...3411043/m/5501029241 Rcamuglia, I bet you took your ball and went home alone many a time in your life.   Please visit the link bellow for complete information concerning the 6.5 Grendel. http://www.65grendel.com/ Real world hunting results with the 6.5 grendel, not arm chair BS. http://www.65grendel.com/forum...b9cd6cd3730cd8f&f=14 Maybe we should just take a poll of what percentage of your 1800 plus posts are that of complete CRAP! Nothing you have said has even come close to impressing me.  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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I have shot 1 elk. It was with a 300WM. I have also shot several deer, all with either a .308, 30-06, or 300WM. This being said I do not disparage anyone's choice in what they caliber they choose as long as they can kill efficiently and humanely with it. Keep up the good work, SMACK!!!! | |||
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Neat little cartridge. Can I get a Daisy chambered in it? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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FWIW.....This thread(s) offers a lot more interest than reading another post about the Remington 700's trigger or why someone should sell his rifle for a penny  Enough already!!!!/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Looks like the right "size" for a Varmint Cartridge. I'd expect it to Kill 50# Dog size animals real well out to maybe 300yds, depends on the Bullet. Using it on anything larger is both Pitiful and Pathetic!!! Of course, I feel sure there is a large number of Rookies that would disagree. It is a shame no one with any real Hunting knowledge has not passed it on to them. But, if they continue using totally inadequate, weenie Cartridges, they will find out on their own - maybe - if they attempt to track what they maim and wound. I doubt they even try to locate the animals that walk or run off, which anyone with any worthwhile character would do. Pitiful and Pathetic!!! ----- People that complement Stunt Shooters just encourage more of the same ignorance. | |||
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I hunt ranches under high fences and use a 5.56 for deer so my opinion does not count in Ray's thread. If it kills humanely it works for me. Should we also start a thread about optics versus iron sights, i.s. not being humane? Perry | |||
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Here is the way the Grendel stacks up against other accepted Long Range Big Game Cartridges. The data is for 500 yards and obtained from JBM: The factors chosen IMO are basic in evaluating a Long Range Hunting Cartridge.  As you can see, I gave the benifit of any doubt for the velocity of the Grendel.  The Grendel and a AAA battery  Battery, Grendel, .264 Winchester Magnum. I can't believe I forgot about my favorite 6.5 for Long Range hunting! | |||
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 For those who have difficulty reading or understanding the ballistics info given, the Grendel has about TWICE the drop, TWICE the wind drift, and 1/3 the energy at 500 yards than of most of the cartridges listed.  | |||
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rcamuglia, your play in words and comparison in cartridges does not change the fact that the 6.5 Grendel is capable of taking a mule deer at 493 yards clean, due to the fact it did. We have shot deer and elk with many different cartridges and now we have added the Grendel to the list very successfully. Two posts above you give 657 FPE with the Grendel at 500 yards,do you not understand that the grendel has as much energy at 500 yards at stuffing a .41 Magnum against a deers ribs at point blank and pulling the trigger, it is more than up to taking a deer at 493. WAKE UP! Lets back up, the original post you are trying to side step here never claimed the grendel to be a better choice than a .300 Win Mag, .375 H&H or 7x57, all of which I have taken deer and elk with. It was the cartridge of choice for the game at hand. Last but not least, in the long range game. 493 yards is not " Long Range ". You have bent and manipulated the facts in a attempt to get the answers you want.  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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http://www.nrahq.org/hunting/nraethics.asp  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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wino,take a break. You can't be a complete moron every day of the week. It's going to be fun to watch 3 or so of you post 50 posts of BS under this topic, while feeding off of each others lack lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. Why do it when you can stick your nose in a book and read about it or Google it. Fact is, we planned it, built the rifle and did it. Real hard to argue with real world home work and success. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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BINGO! Our marksmanship skills are well schooled and well practiced, way beond the average hunter. Thanks Vap-Rub, just because many are not comfortable at such distances doesn't give youe the right to condem others that are more than capable. YOU FEAR WHAT YOU DON"T KNOW OR CAN"T ACCOMPLISH. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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20 plus years of hunting big open country such as pictured bellow, one becomes very proficient,practiced,comfortable and capable of distance shots.     -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Yes we did Yes we did  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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Man, thats some unbelievable open country, thank god Northern Nevada is so wooded, I'd never be able to hunt country like that  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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smack, There's a great way for you to prove your vast ballistic knowledge and your honed and practiced shooting skills. The Sporting Rifle Match at NRA Whittington Center....
I shoot it monthly along with our local precision/tactical club match. You can bring your Grendel and show everybody there what you can do. We can also post your score here so everyone can see the superiority of the Grendel cartridge in the hands of a top notch shooter. Heck, we could shoot on the same squad and even make a friendly wager. Then again, after you see your name with your score by it, the "Grendel Bubble" may burst. But at least you would see how marginal it is to make consistent hits from 400 to 900 yards. | |||
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If one has practiced a lot with whatever firearm and it is chambered for their cartridge of choice,they have every right to try what they think is good for them. I have a 25x39 that shoots a 75gr bullet at 3000 fps and have not had any misgivings about shooting that sucker out to 600 yards for coyotes and other varmints. That said I have not shot it with heavier bullets yet,to choose it for a hunting a bullet proof whitetail.YET! I have no problem with someone's choice to do their hunting and can't figure out why it would bother anyone.  | |||
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Well off to chase some elk around Gods country, will be checking in on the iphone occasionally. Looking forward to " The circle jerk, armchair team's" replies. I'm hunting by myself today so I will be carrying the .270 WSM with 140gr Accubonds, gee I wonder if that's enough rifle for elk...LAUGHING!!!  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Uuugh just stopped by to say hi. He's a caveman and a friend. Here's a photo of him in a younger day when he drank a lot:  I was telling him about this thread and he about went bananas, which isn't all bad for a caveman, and he then related this story to me. He was throwing his spear:  for practice one day when a herd of mastodon come by. Uuugh just rushed toward them and at about sixty yards he threw his spear and with the greatest of luck it didn't hit a rib but slid through a previous wound and hit the Mastodon's heart and within a few seconds it fell to the earth with load trumpeting and bellering.His buddies all came running  and were amazed at the distance he had killed the mastodon but Uuugh never told them about the lucky shot he had made.The bad thing was that in the next several days there were sixteen of his clansmen that were killed trying to duplicate the spear throw. It was well known among the clansmen that the proper distance to throw a spear at a mastodon was about 15 feet. But NNNOOOOOOOO.....they had to do what Uuugh had done. Well he finally made a grunt and a groan and slammed the door on the way out saying something about dumb batherds never learning and then muttered something about the Sasquatch season opening in the Carolinas. I haven't seen him since but he'll be back at the end of the Sasquatch season. He Made his point however.  | |||
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That's an absolute riot!  | |||
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Kinda reminds me of all the semi-pro gamblers that come to Nv seeking their fortune. A few get it, but the majority leave empty handed. The winners never tell you of the losses. "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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Next thing we know, someone will try killing a bull moose with a 17 HMR, err, wait a minute, didn't someone do that already  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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That 6.5 looks kind of puny for long range work. I myself always try to get close if possible and have never shot much beyond 300 yards and 95% of the time use a 300 win mag. With that being said if some people can do it more power to them. My worry is all the nitwits that cannot do it and still try. Last year for the area we hunt in Wisconsin we found 7 dead deer after the season, all poorly shot by people that should practice more. Of course all were dead from the wounds suffered. We killed 2 that were wounded during the season, one was shot and wounded in the head and one shot and wounded in the rear leg. People read the internet and just hear about taking long shots or shooting deer with . 223 or 7.62 X 39 and think a 20 shot magazine makes up for pratice. Gives the sport a bad name. I sold my 17HMR after poor results on 5 raccons. BigB | |||
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I'm getting a 6.5 Grendel just to protect me from cave women like that!!!!!OOWWWIEEEEE     /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Exactly, then when the animal rights activists find the carcasses and spread the pictures all over the net, it gives all sportsmen a bad name. If you want to take rediculously long shots, do it on paper or gongs. Beer is legal too, but all the clowns wrapping their pick ups around telephone poles are giving my hobby a bad name, also.  "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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We ought to come up with a 6.5 "Gretarded". It could be a 22 mag necked up with a reusable collet assembly to fill the void in the chamber. "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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LOL....we already have three retarded threads on the subject. Do we need more? It's entertaining I must say....if one likes insanity as entertainment..... /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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They wanted something of merit to debate.... | |||
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This is better than Monday Night Football "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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Just as I posted above, this thread would turn into a joke with wino, vapodog and rcamuglia all running their sucks, stroking each other post after post but never saying anything that matters. Papers boring, hair and fur is where it's at. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Who is hosting the cirlce jerk tonight ladies?  -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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No! you were being proved a total dumb ass and this is a desperate attempt to save whats left of your pathetic smart ass, ass. LAGHING!!!! -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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 It's people that don't know what they are talking about that gives the sport a bad name. Like the one that started this thread and his cohart in crime _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Well rcamuglia, didn't go as planned did it? Your joke of a thread has 385 reads and the majority of posts are from the same clowns(You, wusso and vapo-rub) that lurked the original hunting post. Way to go hotrod!!!! Today was a good day all around. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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jwp475, Good point, I edited my post. Thanks BigB | |||
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If you are going to point at other people's mistakes, make sure that you don't do it yourself. It's "cohort". Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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And another moron joins the group. -------------------------------------------- Nothing like a trail of blood to find your way back home. | |||
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Internet Spelling Cops Gone Wild "Earth First, we'll mine the other planets later" "Strip mining prevents forest fires" | |||
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