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D99, this little POS right here:
Would actually have made some sense, if I was the only person that had made that on here. Problem is, I ain't the only person that has made a comment along those same lines recently. There seems to have been a rash of folks just joining, whose sole intention is just to stir up shit. You don't like what I post, you think it is stupid, fine, use the ignore user feature. If you don't, then which one of us is stupider? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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This entire debate over something that we will never know what happened is gone into hyper silly mode. I don't have a problem with what you post, it is a free world. I don't think you lumping all the new kids into the same block is all that smart. I do agree, there are folks that for some reason join (or even folks who join again under a second assumed name) just to be an asshole. A lot of folks on here get carried away with post count like it's a Doctorate level degree, military rank, or elected office. We have disagreed in the past, but your far from being ignored! I have wasted a lot of my life on these boards and I can't think of anyone on my ignore list. Even with my anti-bowhunting propaganda and hatred of elitism in hunting. | |||
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New to this forum, but far from new to common sense and hunting. The point is that there was no need to do anything but get in his truck and drive away. The guy wasn't going to get anything but a ticket anyway. Am I wrong? Was he going to be cuffed and taken away? Was his gun going to be confiscated? Believe me, I'm no fan of zealous cops......but if you knew me you'd know my biggest complaint with LEOs is that they can't or won't decipher who the real bad guys are and who the good guys are with no record, caught commiting a minor violation yet get treated like a murderer with a gangstas rap sheet. | |||
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Problem is Norton, you nor ANY of the rest of us know any more than what has been posted about the incident. Your automatically blaming the LEO involved. I have no idea as to how old you are or what kind of life experience you have, but from actual experience, I can guarantee that older people can be beligerent and dangerous as hell, If They Think They Are In The Right. Been there, seen it, know what I am talking about. Could the LEO have handled it differently, Maybe, but only 2 people know for sure and you damn sure ain't one of them, and neither ARE ANY OF THE REST OF US. One of those people is DEAD and the other isn't talking, for whatever reason. You want to stir up shit and insult Texans you go right ahead, but you do not know any more about what happened than any of the rest of us, if you do, Prove It. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Spin it anyway you want.....you're not even reading my posts.....I asked several questions each time and you just don't address them.....what exactly do you "consult" on anyway? And BTW, I love TX....my uncle lives in Austin.....and since you seem to think I'm 15 or so.....I was born a month before JFK got shot in TX. | |||
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Was the shooter a black man? Hmm... ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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I have read your posts, and I ain't seen one actual question that you have asked. As for your Uncle living in Austin, in Texas that is NOT an exceptionally good recommendation. I don't care when you were born, that is immaterial. The point remains, ONLY TWO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND ONE OF THEM IS DEAD. Some folks, you among them think that the GW was at fault and could have handled the situation differently. Some folks think that the hunter was at fault and got what he was asking for. Some of us think that no matter who was at fault, it is a bad situation all the way round. Most of us think that the real truth will never be known by anyone. Now please show me where I missed anything in that analysis. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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You've already said all that; are you just trying to be argumentative at this point? Some Texans sure seem to like to beat things to death--twice--it seems.   My guess is that at least some of us have dealt with arrogant/ overzealous/incompetent/nasty-for-no-reason/other EPOs at some point, and the frustration and just maybe a slight lack of compassion and flat-out distrust of them comes out for the EPOs at times like these, while remembering past misdeeds of others. I dunno' about others, but I know my experiences with EPOs in the field over the years have largely been good, but I will confess that there are a couple that over the years I wouldn't have lost sleep over had they been found in a marsh drowned. Harsh? Maybe, but true. One guy in particular seemed absolutely *incensed* that he had nothing to write me up for, despite counting shells, checking for lead, federal stamp, state stamp, HIP #, plugged gun, hunting license, firearms ID, boat registration and all the crap associated with that (life vest, throw float, sound maker/signalling device, bailer, etc.) That SOB checked me THREE goddamned times in the SAME morning while I was duck hunting years ago, asking each time to see the contents of my backpack as well. Just what exactly he thought I was hiding I have no idea. A sackful of teal, or a couple pounds of meth? I told him the last time that he'd need to have his gun drawn if he wanted to check me a fourth time. He didn't do either. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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This shit from someone that thinks I am beating a Dead Horse. Does any of that Bull Shit you wrote change the facts as I stated them?????? NO. The Dead Horse I see being beat is that come folks for wharever their reason have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to LEO's. I think nearly all of us that have spent anytime hunting or fishing have had a run in with a GW that was less than courteous, but most of us have grown up, got over it and moved on with our lives.
Well, unless you have a witness to that, which I am sure we are all gonna believe an internet witness, I have real serious doubts that you made that statement loud enough where the officer could hear it. I ain't never had a lot of bad dealings with any LEO's, but from the ones I have had, and the ones aquaintences have described to me that they have had, a Bull Shit statement like you claim to have made would have gotten you all kinds of attention from several members of the local Law Enforcement community. Don't know who you and some of these other goof balls are trying to kid, but making a statement like that to any LEO, just gives them Carte Blanche to really fuck with you. Go blow your Bull Shit to some one that will believe it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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The world goes a whooooole lot further than the bounadaries of Texas, if you'd believe, and things get done differently everywhere. You believe whatever you'd like. I said exactly that to the young punk. Did I mean it? Of course not. But I sure as hell got my point across, and he understood what I meant perfectly, that what he was doing was harrassment, pure and simple. When I got home the first thing I did was call to speak to a CO of the EPO to give him piece of my mind about the incident. He APOLOGIZED to me and said it wouldn't happen again. Funny, when I did see the EPO again, he was courteous and after checking my gun and license, moved on. Lesson to you: not everyone is a coward who bows to every ridiculous request from someone with a badge. But then you big bad Texans do things a mite differently, I guess. Oh and BTW, after checking me twice, it was clear that he WAS ALREADY fucking with me. Curious: was the guy shot a relative of yours or something, or are you just on your period? Nevermind answering. I couldn't care less. You sure are an excitable, crotchety one. What's the matter, hunts not exactly fying off the shelves? *Edited. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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And your a dumb son-of-a-bitch that does not even read his own posts. Yes, things are done different in Each and Everyone of the 50 States. But for some reason you can write that down, but you can not grasp the concept. Whether you meant it or not, if you even said it, down here, a statement like that would have drawn a different set of responses and actions, and I don't give a Fat Rats Ass whether you believe that or not. Also, I don't just hunt in Texas and I have found over time, that the more of a Dumb Fuck you act toward an LEO of any kind, the more likely you are to wish you hadn't. From your and a couple of other folks response, there must not be anything but overzealous LEO's where you live. Course it seems like everyone has their own definition of "Overzeslous", up to and including having a GW just ask to see their hunting license. If you would take the time to read and comprehend peoples responses, you would see, I don't know that you would understand, that most folks have stated that if asked to dis-arm themselves by an LEO they would do so. If you have not done anything wrong, why force an issue that is not there to begin with? You attitude, IMO clearly points out how the whole shooting incident could have unfolded. The GW has a suspicion that some one is baiting turkeys on that land, which is a violation of that states game laws. He goes out there with the sole purpose in mind of ticketing or arresting the violator. The violator turns out to be a 70 something year old man that decides he is not going to accept a ticket or go to jail and decides that he is going to run that GW off his property. At some point the GW decides there is only one way out of this for himself, and he takes it. Don't remember seeing anywhere where any of us Texans said anything about being tough/bad or big. In fact, my statement was, that I would follow the instructions the GW issued, and if I had a problem with those, I would be a lot better off being able to call his CO and filing a complaint than laying in a morgue, having geniuses like you trying to figure out who was at fault. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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We agree on this much: the guy should have disarmed himself when asked--IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED--even if in the wrong, and the EP had no business doing what he was doing at the time. I bet chances are very good that had the dead guy done that (assuming that's what actually happened), then we wouldn't be having this silly debate. I get that. But he didn't, and he's dead, and we have *one* version of the story. Oh, well. The point I think some were making here, myself included, is that not every cop is the pinnacle of decency or honesty--and many of us have seen it firsthand. Call it being jaded. You want to argue that? I know how I've been treated, and know how I respond when someone comes at me. I also don't forget being given the business easily. Now unless you have anything else to add, let's just leave it as we can disagree about something and you can get those undies of yours untwisted. As far as my TX comment, well, I'm damned proud of where I'm from and didn't care for some of the shitslinging coming our way from yours. I have no problems with Texans, generally. The ones that aren't assholes, anyway. BTW, genious marketing strategy, coming onto a hunting site and cussing and insulting people all over the place . You're a Harvard man, obviously...Oh wait, a Harvard man usually can decipher the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. Nevermind. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Does anyone know if the cop was wearing a uniform or some kind of camo? | |||
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Here's a few from just 2 of my posts: The guy wasn't going to get anything but a ticket anyway. Am I wrong? Was he going to be cuffed and taken away? Was his gun going to be confiscated? What was he going to do with him once he came down from the tree? Give him a lecture? Or just hand him his ticket? You boys down there know the saying: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." You want to drop to your knees everytime a LEO approaches go right ahead......not me.....and my record is clean as a whistle friend. | |||
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Those are not questions,Fool, those are speculations on YOUR PART that NO ONE but the two involved can answer, and has been made infinitely clear to everyone but you, the only thing any of us know id that a GW killed a 70 something year old man during some type of confrontation. Not one damn person said anything about dropping to their knees, just that if the LEO involved requested/ordered/begged, whatever or however it was phrased, wanted us to put down our firearm, those of us with even the slightest amount of intelligence would comply. Some how I can not believe you folks up in that part of the country dictate how an LEO is supposed to interact with you, I could be wrong about that, but I seriously doubt it. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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You win. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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I wonder how much room there is on this/these servers????  | |||
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I ain't out to win anything. Everything that has been posted on this subject by everybody is pure conjecture and is based on their PERSONAL attitude toward LEO's. Nothing more, nothing less. Some folks seem or claim to have had nothing but bad experiences, while others seem to have never had a bad experience, that is life. Some people just have an inborn fear/hatered/distrust/loathing whatever of people in positions of authority, while others don't. Not one damn one of us knows who are what caused the shooting to take place, and as Doc said, we never will know the real story. If a person wants to believe the LEO was at fault and could have handled the situation differently, Go For It. If a person wants to believe that the old man is the one that screwed up, that is fine also. However, ANYONE that tries to make folks believe that they would get confrontational with an LEO, especially when firearms are involved, and NOT expect some repercussions and most likely bad ones, is trying to blow blue smoke up everyone's ass, including their own. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Come now. We know better than that. You've won quite a bit here! Foulest mouth, loudest rant in writing, best effort at alienating potential clients, and certainly the top spot in willingness to whiz away massive amounts of time on a subject not in the least bit pertinent to your life! Well done! The "Most Generous" award still is un desputibly held by Saeed et al. Paying good money to allow you to post all that you have here is magnanamous beyond reason. Son-of-a-gun! There's another win for you! Best effort at burning bandwidth! | |||
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Bravo, you get the last word on this one.  Personal attack on me and my business. But no mention that what I posted was wrong on any account. Also, just so you will know, if someone decides not to be a client because of my opinion on subjects like this one, I would not want them as a client in the first place. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I told both my girls YEARS AGO: If a LEO tells you to put up your hands, then PUT UP YOUR HANDS. If a LEO stops you and tells you to exit the car with your hands visible, then EXIT THE CAR WITH YOUR HANDS VISIBLE. If a LEO tells you to lay face down on the ground with your hands over your head, then LAY FACE DOWN ON THE GROUND WITH YOUR HANDS OVER YOUR HEAD. Whatever mistake the LEO made (there are many blue Fords, blonde girls, etc. etc.) will be cleared up as soon as the LEO runs your information. To do otherwise might mean the LEO will have to shoot you. Once the LEO pulls the trigger, it is too late to comply. If you don't comply, you will be right, but you will still be DEAD. JUST A TYPICAL WHITE GUY BITTERLY CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION Definition of HOPLOPHOBIA "I'm the guy that originally wrote the 'assault weapons' ban." --- Former Vice President Joe Biden | |||
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Right on the money!!! I can't tell you how many times I have taken the slack out of my trigger because someone refused to show me there hands, or failed to comply with my orders. I can think of four specific times when the person turned out not to be the person we were looking for. If they would have complied, I would probably would have had time to catch the person we were looking for. As for the original incident, I stand by my earlier post. | |||
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Very well said, Flippy! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I heard the same exact story a few weeks ago from a Wilkes county LEO official who was talking to a gunshop owner. | |||
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This is such a sad story. The investigating officers are going to talk to everyone that the deceased man knew to see if he had a history of making deadly threats or was hot headed in the least. If he did, this will never be heard by a Grand Jury. If on the other hand, this was totally out of character, I don't know where they could go with it. I don't think anyone thinks Mr. Minton purposely set out to bait the old man. We all know there are ways to talk to a suspect and ways maybe you shouldn't. If he used his talking to " punks and drunks " tone of voice, the elderly landowner probably wouldn't have been used to it and would have reacted badly. Especially if poachers had been shooting over the bait before season and the old guy unobservantly made his way to the spot early opening morning and didn't know it was there. Gpopper | |||
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I didn't bother to read it, but their headline should read "Turkey Poacher" not "Turkey Hunter." ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Below is a message sent in from someone you must assume is a local! I got this from the link provided by onefunzr2 informerxxx Posted 12:54 am, 04/12/2009 IT IS SO TRAGIC WHAT HAPPENED SATURDAY, HOWEVER IT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. I KNOW IN 2003 A TRAPHILL MAN MET MULTIPLE TIMES WITH MINTON’S SUPERIOR OFFICERS AND BEGGED THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT HIS DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR, BUT NO ONE LISTENED. THEY JUST COVERED FOR HIS ACTIONS. I AM SURE MARK DID SHOOT THE MAN OUT OF SELF DEFENSE, BUT WHAT EVENTS LED UP TO THIS WE WILL NEVER KNOW. I KNOW PERSONALLY HOW MARK WILL PROVOKE PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE DONT RESPOND TO WELL TO THIS BEHAVIOR. IF IT HAD BEEN THE LEVEL HEADED WARDEN, WALSH, WHO WAS NOT FAR FROM MARK WHO MADE THE INITIAL CONTACT WITH THE MAN THE SITUATION I KNOW WOULD HAVE BEEN NEUTRALIZED. MY HUSBAND WAS WITH THE TRAPHILL MAN WHEN HE MET WITH THE WILDLIFE OFFICERS A COUPLE OF TIMES. BILL TOWNSEND, JOHN CAMPBELL, C.D. THOMPSON, ROGER LEGUIRE, AND MAJOR BLANTON, YOU GUYS WERE ALL WARNED THIS DAY WOULD COME, YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID ATTENTION. | |||
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What I can not understand, is why this topic has not died a quiet, natural death???? As was argued during its first run, no one is ever going to know the real or whole story about what actually happened. Maybe the GW was in the wrong, maybe the person that was shot was. They were the only two to know for sure, and one of them is dead, and the others life is in limbo, whether he was in the right or not. Why not wait until the PTB's in charge of the investigation, present their findings to the court/public? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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We all need to wait on the SCBI and the DA findings. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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What sort of evidence needs to be collected and interrupted that takes more than 2 months? | |||
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Autopies, including toxicology take a long time here in Harris Co. Texas. Several months for everything to get back. Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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I guess wardens in your part of the country don't get enough training to learn how to kneecap somebody instead of killing them. Hopefully, the old code of the hills in not alive today... Rich DRSS | |||
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Idaho, I'm trying to figure out your post. Are you saying that the GW should of knee-capped a man armed with a shotgun and threatening him with same???? I know of absolutely NO police agency that teaches shooting an shotgun armed attacker in the leg to stop the threat. I'm going to guess that YOU wouldn't use that tactic in defending you life against a person threatening you with a shotgun at close range. troy Birmingham, Al | |||
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No peace officer training I'm aware of teaches "knee capping"! Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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Shooting an armed suspect in the knee is a good way to wound up shot. It is easy enough to practice these things on a target that isn't running around and shooting at you. Having been shot at, I can tell you how things go down. First thing to go is color and perhiperal vision, its like looking down a cardboard tube in black and white. Hearing is altered. Your teeth seem to sharpen. Your heartbeat jumps to 130 bpm. Respiration goes up. Hands get sweaty, and a cold chill grips the body. You want to run, but your knees don't want to bend. The feeling in your fingertips are gone as you try to unholster your weapon, drop the safety and bring your sidearm to bear while trying to find suitable cover. At no time do you feel like you have the time to pick an area of the body to shoot at. And if you did, you will probably get sued for malicious wounding. That is the way it is, I am sure the DFG warden felt the same way. No matter who you are, or how right you are, once you start shooting, one of you is probably not going home. It is a shame that it came to this, but I doubt the warden had the intention to kill this man when arriving. People intent on killing people don't go toe to toe, they shoot first before there is any danger to them. John | |||
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[quote]I guess wardens in your part of the country don't get enough training to learn how to kneecap somebody instead of killing them. Hopefully, the old code of the hills in not alive today...[quote]  Just another person trying to figure out why a GW, that he does not know, trained in a state that he has no idea of their training practices, that was in a situation not one damn person on this site knows really anything about, so the easy way out is to automatically blame the GW. Absolutely Brilliant.  Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Crazyhorse, I disagree 180 degrees with you on this..... it should read Absolute stupidity.  troy Birmingham, Al | |||
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I stand corrected Sir, my humble apologies.  Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Here is a relevant and interesting article......seems many of the "have to obey all orders" types in here are dead wrong, depending on the state they're in......
xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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