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Aaron, I for one am not willing to accept that until it is a done deal...ie: the lion is listed. It is not now. Case in point...the key to winning the USFW is going through Craig...like him or not. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Brad, Michel & Others - Look guys, Lane is right!!! Despite the fact that I am frustrated at the moment, Craig packer is the "Key" to the whole thing, period! The USFWS do listen, and will listen to Craig, period! Lane is simply trying to be the voice of reason, and thankfully someone is. Brad, trust me on this one - what Lane is saying is right, despite whether its how you/I and other "feel" about the situation at the moment. | |||
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CP seems willing to just take his ball and go home if things don't go his way. How professional! It also seems he is willing to effectively blackmail people in Africa by playing both sides against one another to get what HE wants....."Give me more access or I will now push for a re-listing and hurt your revenue". Those of us who live in and experience "real" Africa daily have a pretty good idea how the local officials usually respond to this sort of thing. CP is playing with fire and lions will suffer. Me? Sad to say that i will be the guy hunting much cheaper lions in five years and exporting them to Canada. | |||
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Packer did not submit the petition and has told me directly that he does not support a ban on lion hunting. That doesn't mean that he believes it should continue business as usual either. The people that submitted this application are as follows; International Fund for Animal Welfare, the Humane Society of the United States, Humane Society International, the Born Free Foundation/Born Free USA, Defenders of Wildlife, and the Fund for Animals These are all primarily anti-hunting organizations and only Born Free has any previous involvement with lions on any significant level. In fact only two have any international experience at all. My experience has been that "anti-hunters" don't really give a rats ass about the continued success of a species... they just truly do not want people shooting them for fun. Except for Born Free these organizations will provide zero funding for any wildlife conservation in Africa (or for the most part anywhere else). And for real world dollars (or Euros in this case) of Born Free's 3.5million euro budget they spend 500k on big cats. All big cats around the world, not just Panthera Leo. Someone help me here but I believe that would be about 10 hunting safaris. "Trophy hunters kill animals for the purpose of obtaining a "prize"—from horns, to tusks, to the whole animal, stuffed—to take home and hang on a wall or pose in a living room. Despite its cruelty and harm to wildlife populations, many countries permit trophy hunting. Few monitor the activity accurately enough to understand its impact. HSI is working to demonstrate to policy-makers the damage caused by trophy hunting and to encourage economic alternatives, such as ecotourism, which can employ more people and bring in more income without such a high cost to animals." IMHO this really is it. The hunting industry had better take this seriously if we want to continue hunting lions. You know you can hunt cheetah and polar bear still right? You just can't bring back the trophy to the US either. And anyone with a pragmatic view towards wild lion conservation needs to get involved. Because once this passes it will not be a simple thing to undo. And if it ever was the damage to lion populations and habitat will already be done. | |||
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My thoughts exactly John and I can corroborate your statements on CP as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Not to defend him or promote him. But I have found Craig Packer a pretty easy guy to communicate with. I have emailed him a few times over the years regarding lion conservation and he has always responded. Often with long thoughtful emails and supporting documents. More depth then you might typically expect from someone receiving an email out of the blue. You may not like him, agree with him, or what not. But you can't say he isn't willing to communicate and discuss the issues frankly. John | |||
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John - My friend, communicating has never been Craig's problem. | |||
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You say he has no trouble communicating, my question is, kis he communicating with an open mind or is he firmly set in his opinion on the matter? A close minded person can be a great communicator, but communication does little good if they have locked themself in to a solution to the issue. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Saeed kindly pasted the 'Definition of the Huntable Male Lion' at the top of this page for me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The amount of social media being used here and the amount of time being spent on liberal TV by Born Free with reporters is BIG. Here we go again. The uninformed public got the BS story from the Dems to re elact Osamma with them. Born Free is pushing this HARD and FAST. They know how to use the people and use the propoganda machine, the media, social, print and video. Personally don't think I'll be having to put LION on my price list for next year. Sad days. It's not so much a numbers game. It's Biorn Free starting a social outcry with misinformation that will end it. You can't fight a mob. | |||
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Listing document http://www.regulations.gov/#!d...R9-ES-2012-0025-0001 Please post your comments. Born free has a social media campaign to the public to post... http://www.regulations.gov/#!s...R9-ES-2012-0025-0001 Pass it around serioualy. | |||
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It ain't over 'til it's over guys!!! And...the LCTF still has an Ace (or maybe a Jack in this case but still a good card) in the hole. If you really want to do something that will help...everybody that is a member of SCI or DSC...call and ask them to adopt the "Definition of a Huntable Male Lion" pasted at the top of this forum. Both orgs have it on their desk and are pondering it. It's adoption by those 2 orgs...would go along way in getting us some positive lobbying going with the USF&W. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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