Gag me with a spoon. Although this is the one I would most likely go for.

33 Nosler

Anyways it should be a fine cartridge like the 338 win mag, 340 Wby and 338 Lapua et al.

I just don't like how they say it will go 25 FPS faster than a 338 Lapua with 18% less powder. Less powder has never given more velocity without higher pressures.

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Originally posted by RMiller:
I just don't like how they say it will go 25 FPS faster than a 338 Lapua with 18% less powder. Less powder has never given more velocity without higher pressures.

What kind of witchcraft is that?

They advertise that the 33 Nos with a 26" barrel beats a 338 Win mag by 275 fps? I have a 21-1/2" barreled .338 Win Mag that shoots 225 grain bullets at 2850 fps, granted that's 175 fps but not incredible in my book.
I'm sure it is a great cartridge design and will be successful, I just don't need one already having a pretty decent 338 that I don't use enough as it is.
I just hate all the hype !

Now if they made a 35 Nosler then that would be interesting

Wonder if any of the Nosler cartridges will be around in 20 years. I probably won't.

Another issue with all this that I would really like to see definitively addressed, and that will likely need to be at some time, is the matter of safety vs. barrel shank thread / diameter, vs, receiver ring diameter, and bolt size and locking area.
This came up with the WSM rounds some time ago, then the .338 Lapua, and now the Nosler rounds. Given that the common Mauser, Remington, and Winchester actions were all designed many many years ago, and around the 30 06, 8x57, and similar cases and "adapted" for other larger rounds, one wonders what the decrease in safety margin with each incremental increase in case diameter may be, and at what point it may be determined that the "engineers" have gone a step too far. Surgeon, Stiller, and others produce larger dimension actions for the Lapua for example, but commercial guns are made using the 700, M70, and Savage.
So I wonder what are the dimensions of the Nosler action, and how this question will prove out in the future. Just some thoughts....

neck it up to 9.3

Gee big whooop. I'd rather have a 338/375 Ruger. But in general if it's not a 338 Win Mag or a 340 Wby I am not interested.

Maybe run the 33 reamer in a 375 or 416 Ruger chamber for more whomp. I can see a 458-33 Nosler being fun.

My elk load is a 225 gr. Accubond or Partition at 2913 FPS with a max load of RL-19...I don't think their 125 FPS is going to put the kibosh to my .338 Win. and Im thinking my guns holds an extra round, maybe two, dunno!!

the person that invented these lives a couple miles from my old house. The house where I invented and perfected the 375 RUM based AccRels - I don't think we've ever actually met, but its just funny

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Originally posted by 460 wby shooter:
Now if they made a 35 Nosler then that would be interesting

My thought's exactly!!

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Originally posted by waterrat:

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Originally posted by 460 wby shooter:
Now if they made a 35 Nosler then that would be interesting

My thought's exactly!!

Please don't disgrace the 358 Norma

I have a 358 Norma but a 35 nosler would be fun also

And how is this any different than a .330 Dakota?

The website shows some minimal differences in dimensions, but they have the same parent case and the same action length.

Looks like they run it more than a little hotter, and probably are putting some freebore in to get the velocities claimed-

The .26 was interesting as it was the first grossly overbore 6.5, the rest are all really copies of the Dakota line, in somewhat more affordable rifles.

Since I have a .330 Dakota, I guess I am not really going to go and get this one.

With the case capacity and claimed MV the working pressure must be somewhere around 100,000 Psi.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
With the case capacity and claimed MV the working pressure must be somewhere around 100,000 Psi.

i dunno, perhaps it has a super custom long throat? i hear that a deep throat is special, and overcomes all other rules of internal ballistics (that was irony, for those not up on this)

you funny man...

Bring on the Nosler 93, I,m ready!!!

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Originally posted by smallfry:
Gee big whooop. I'd rather have a 338/375 Ruger. But in general if it's not a 338 Win Mag or a 340 Wby I am not interested.

I know, right?!

That the cartridge I want to see. 338/375 Ruger.

That and a 9.3 Ruger . Been thinking of a 358 Norma necked for a build.

The Nosler website indicates the 27 Nosler, the 35 Nosler, and the 36 Nosler are still to be released.

It appears Nosler is leaving the .375 and .416 calibers to Hornady/Ruger and Jeff's AR cartridges cover the larger calibers.

Not sure why Hornady/Ruger went with the RCM without releasing the same cartridges in the 2.58" case length but they didn't...and most likely won't...

I always look at the new chamberings with interest. I shoot a tried and true .340 Wby and have taken many animals in Alaska-Canada and our West with it. Got a chance to get a fine .338 Lapua for a song and my son, grandsons and myself have enjoyed it over the years. Add to those two Custom .358 STA's that have taken many Elk and African plains game. I have enough grandsons and now great grandsons to always want something new like the Nosler offerings after all they will need something to shoot. My limiting factor now is the cost of the new brass. I have been anal about collecting enough brass over the years at a very reasonable cost. Now when I look at the new stuff the brass cannot even be bought much less at a reasonable cost. I will not own it if I cannot reload for it. Most of my brass in the last few years has been Nosler blems which I have found the same as first line. I look at today's prices and do a double backflip. Just my opinion for what it is worth. Good shooting.

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Originally posted by capoward:
The Nosler website indicates the 27 Nosler, the 35 Nosler, and the 36 Nosler are still to be released.

It appears Nosler is leaving the .375 and .416 calibers to Hornady/Ruger and Jeff's AR cartridges cover the larger calibers.

Not sure why Hornady/Ruger went with the RCM without releasing the same cartridges in the 2.58" case length but they didn't...and most likely won't...

Well, a standard-action-length "short RUM" makes sense and brings up a recurring question for myself. To stay content with a 338WinMag or put a lot of time and money into something a wee bit more powerful. I'll come back to this after a few comments on other 'wishes' mentioned above.

Some things I don't really understand. For example, wanting a 9.3/375Ruger or even a 9.3/375H&H. The bullet selection of the .375 far surpasses the 9.3 and the one caliber difference at that level of capacity and bore seems without purpose. I suspect that the slight increase in a 9.3 Nosler capacity over a 9.3/375 Ruger gets pretty close to underwhelming, too. If someone wants a 9.3, then the old 9.3x62 ('06-ish case capacity) is the way to go. It is really the answer to anyone who would want a 375/06: just get a 9.3x62. If more power is wanted, then get one of the .375s. This same argument can be applied to 35 caliber, too. The 35 Whelen is a great cartridge. For more capacity one wants some special sleek bullets and for those a person is better off either going up to .375 or down to .338. I would say the same for a 35 Nosler or 36 Noseler, go up to .375 or down to .338, or else take the -06" size cartridges that handle the current bullet selections. Juat my mundane 2 cents.

So with that said, let's re-look at .338".

The Win Mag pretty much does it all in a standard length action and magazine (designed around the 06). "Pretty much" leaves a little wiggle room, but not really that much. I suspect that something 'more than the WinMag" is more for the over-400-yard elk crowd. but there is just a smidgin of niche for a long range deer round with lighter bullets at 3200-3300 fps (200-185 grainers, CEB makes a .550 BC in 200 grain, and the 185 TTSX has a .432"BC). Such velocity and BC is probably just fine for deer and antelope out to 500 yards and maybe a little stretch more. That is more than I have ever hunted a game animal.

For super long range (400-800yards) a case could be made for the 338 Norma and 338 Lapua. both of those need a .590" bolt face and both really deserve a magnum-length action in order to accommodate the super-high BC bullets now available in bullet lengths that cover 1.7 to 2". And a person could compromise on these cartridges with a 338RUM or 338Edge. (For the budget-minded, the 338Norma could be single-loaded for long shots, and have a magazine of shorter bullets for shots 0-300 yards.)

So enter the 33 Nosler. The rebated rim is not my choice in design, but it is certainly workable. The 15 grain capacity increase over the 338WinMag is also significant. It looks like a winner by "walkover' over the 338/375Ruger. It has cosmetic differences with the 330 Dakota, another fine cartridge. The choice between the two might come down to the price of brass and the availability of "RUM"-based case heads vs. the proprietary .345" rim+body casehead of the Dakota.

So I might wait and see if anybody does 33 Nosler brass besides Nosler. (Lapua brass is available for the 338 Lapua, but it doesn't fit the standard-length magazine /action very well.) If I can't get my current 338 winMag (in the US) to shoot straight, then I might need to re-chamber it or to re-barrel and would need to consider this 33 Nosler option. 338 WinMag or 33 Nosler ... hmmm.

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Originally posted by 416Tanzan:
Some things I don't really understand. For example, wanting a 9.3/375Ruger or even a 9.3/375H&H. The bullet selection of the .375 far surpasses the 9.3 and the one caliber difference at that level of capacity and bore seems without purpose. I suspect that the slight increase in a 9.3 Nosler capacity over a 9.3/375 Ruger gets pretty close to underwhelming, too. If someone wants a 9.3, then the old 9.3x62 ('06-ish case capacity) is the way to go. It is really the answer to anyone who would want a 375/06: just get a 9.3x62. If more power is wanted, then get one of the .375s. This same argument can be applied to 35 caliber, too. The 35 Whelen is a great cartridge. For more capacity one wants some special sleek bullets and for those a person is better off either going up to .375 or down to .338. I would say the same for a 35 Nosler or 36 Noseler, go up to .375 or down to .338, or else take the -06" size cartridges that handle the current bullet selections. Juat my mundane 2 cents.

Thankfully cartridges aren't commercialized or even chosen by many individuals based off of someone's fact pattern rationalizing what is worth a shit or not. I think the only "understanding" that can be realized is that people are different. Granted though 9.3s are far down the totem poll for comercialization. The 338 market is somewhat small compared to other diameters and is becoming more and more diluted by new 338 cartridges so it will be interesting who drops off, none will thrive much because the demand isn't that large anyways. I agree the 338 Win mag covers a lot of ground and there is a healthy number of reloaders and rifles that already exist. I don't see the 338 win mag going anywhere. I am partial to the 340Wby, you can sit it in a LA 700 or M70 long action or standard with a few mods. The 340 represents all I want from a 338 out of an 8lb scoped and loaded 24" gun. 416Tanzan you are a 338 Win Mag man at heart hard to go wrong with that

Not sure if I buy that ballistics claim quite yet. My 340 Wby sends 225 TSX's downrange at 3030 fps and that's really pushing it in a Mark V with the Weatherby freebore. It's an accurate and safe load, but make no mistake it's a hot one! They're going to do the same thing with less powder?

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Smallfry:
you are a 338 Win Mag man at heart hard to go wrong with that

Yes, Smallfry, the 338 does have a warm spot with me, though I'm open for inexpensive ways to get a little more capacity.

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Clayman:
They're going to do the same thing with less powder?

Actually, the 33 Nosler is rated to use more powder than the 340 Weatherby. The claim is that it uses less powder than the 338 Lapua and 338 RUM while keeping up in velocity. I don't buy that for a minute.

But come next year I just might be looking for a 33 Nosler re-chamber//re-barrel. We'll see.

Can a std .338 WM be cleaned up/rechambered for 33 Nosler?

According to AmmoGuide, "Yes", but they are using a pre-SAAMI wildcat version, not the new Nosler release, if it should be different.

What is the benefit of using less powder? Isn't the powder the second less costly part of the package next to the primer? Does the lighter powder charge double the life of the barrel? Is there 10% less recoil? Do cases last through many more reloads than others in this same category? Just curious as usual. CB

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Originally posted by RMiller:
Gag me with a spoon. Although this is the one I would most likely go for.

33 Nosler

Anyways it should be a fine cartridge like the 338 win mag, 340 Wby and 338 Lapua et al.

I just don't like how they say it will go 25 FPS faster than a 338 Lapua with 18% less powder. Less powder has never given more velocity without higher pressures.

Nothing is a fine cartridge like the 340 Bee except for the 340 Bee

There is no free lunch it all comes down to case capacity and pressure. I would welcome a mid length cartridge like a 338/375 Ruger or a 33 Nosler but they really haven't become a reality. Quite frankly a 340 Weatherby is not a terribly problematic cartridge and can fit in both a standard length M 70 with mods and a Remington 700. The cases for the 340 Weatherby can be readily bought and they certainly can be readily made from a number of different cartridges.

Will it clean up 375 and 416 Ruger chambers is the question.

Probably won't quite clean up a .375 ruger chamber. Case lengths are different. I would suspect the shoulder positions won't quite work out either.

That said, it should be close and only need one thread to set it back.

As for the 33 Nosler cartridge itself, I like it.

Jeremy

So it's a .330 Dakota by another name? I don,t get it. I was pretty much unimpressed with my .330 Dakota. It simply did not give enough juice over a .338 WM to have to put up with expensive Dakota brass.

My prediction is more of the same with this critter. BTW as far as know other than the 260 Nosler none of the Nosler rounds are able to actually chrono their advertised velocities.

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Originally posted by surestrike:
So it's a .330 Dakota by another name? I don,t get it. I was pretty much unimpressed with my .330 Dakota. It simply did not give enough juice over a .338 WM to have to put up with expensive Dakota brass.

My prediction is more of the same with this critter. BTW as far as know other than the 260 Nosler none of the Nosler rounds are able to actually chrono their advertised velocities.

Owning a handful of 338 calibers it's hard for me to realize much of an advantage over a 338 win mag.

Looks like it will.

It looks like one could ream a 338 Win out to 33 Nosler. Perfect for a medium bore long range gun.

Looks like another bit of magic from Nosler.

Just use a smaller capacity case and less powder to make it shoot the same weight bullets faster.

There's something about the laws of physics that makes me skeptical about their claims, unless it is that 100,000 PSI...

As surestrike stated..most of their other cartridges won't meet the FPS they advertise and this one probably won't either. The same for the WSM cartridges and where have they gone..except MAYBE for the 325 WSM as it bridges the 300 and 338 calibers. All need much higher pressure to even come close to advertised velocities. Bait and switch routine.

Thanks, but if my 338 Winny won't do it I will reach for the 300 Ultramag or the 375 Ruger depending on whether it is "reach" I need or more "horse power".

Elk at over 400 yards?....Get your lazy ass closer.

Boom Stick, The 30 and 33 are shorter than the 26 and 28. The shoulder position is moved back as well. They set it up so that you can load VLD length bullets and stay within the design COAL.

The shoulder/neck junction on the 30 Nosler is at 2.246" according to their website.

Hmmm. I had no issues getting the advertised velocity out of my 28 Nosler build.

Jeremy