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You don't see a lot about the 358 Winchester, just how good is it anyways?? Is it good enough for big game like elk and moose?? Free speech has been executed on the altar of political correctness. | ||
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The .358win is a great cartridge, probably the most efficient round based on the .308 case. Its perfectly suitable for elk and moose, use a 250gr Hornady s.p., or 250gr Speer, keep shots to around 250yds and under and place the bullet right and the animal is yours. I would use it in thick cover for either animal. I have used mine for three deer and it works wonderfully, definately under appreciated. | |||
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I've killed dozens of hogs with one. They work great and in my opinion there is no finer platform to equip with ghost rings for quick close action in the swamps and jungles of some of the finest Texas boar hunting. | |||
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The 358 Win rocks!! To my mind, it's the best 308-based round going for critters up to and including elk and moose out to 250+ yards. I like 225 grain bullets at around 2500 fps. Lou **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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The 358 win is not flashy, but it sure works. I sure haven't seen anything get up and run away when using it. I will never be without at least one 358 win. in the guns safe. Daryl. | |||
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I am glad to hear such high praise for the 358 Winchester, it seems to have enough power to knock just about anything down on this continent. I managed to find a BLR 81 with a steel receiver, I may use it for black bears this season. I see the 358 Win loads in the manuals are not too far behind the 35 Whelen,to a bear or a moose, the difference won't be noticed. Free speech has been executed on the altar of political correctness. | |||
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The BLR in .358 is a solid outfit. I have found the 35's to be relatively non-picky about what you feed them. I just run a 200gr Hornady RN in my BLR for deer, but would use it with 250's if I ever draw a Moose Tag again. | |||
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Other than 2 or 3 feral pigs, a cow elk, a Waterbuck, a Zebra, and a Kudu have not shot much with mine. The nosler 225 grain partition is a greta slug for the 358 Win Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Is the 358 win round more effective than the 338 Fed, or does that depend on the distance one's shooting? | |||
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The 358 Win is much more effective. It does things the 338 Fed could only dream of doing.  **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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the 358 .. 225gr at 2500 fps ... in a 2.8" round, with bullets designed for the velocity range .. on thin skinned game, it is amazing. 338 fed- fine , it was wildcatted a bajillion years ago ... bullets aren't designed for speed range,,, if i want to throw a 180gr bullet, i'd stick with a 308 opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The .358 is a supurb game cartridge. It's a "working man's" round; not flashy or glamerous with impressive paper ballistics, it just gets the job done very effectively. Magazine writers tend to drive the shooting market and they love to play with new gimmicks or cartridges that stretch the envelope. Higher velocity, flatter trajectory and exotic bullets required for those extremes are understandably fun to play with and write about. The .358 is a moderate range round, 250-300 yards perhaps, and will do its work with most any reasonable bullet so reliably its almost boring, who wants to make a living writing about something like that? But how many of us actually ever get a shot passed 250 yards? Or even 150? Or shoot at huge critters that need a howitzer? If I had a shot at 300+ yards I would work to get closer if only to insure I can make a good hit! I don't kid myself, I AIN'T NO 300+ YARD FIELD SHOOTER and I know it. I don't need nor would I benefit from a .375 but I can use a .358 very effectively. | |||
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I see BLR's listed a few times here in 358 Win. What else is anyone shooting this in? I thought there was a "too small shoulder" issue with the cartridge itself that caused troubles in pre 64 Win 70's, or am I confusing it with the 35 Rem or did they both have those issues? I know they are both a pretty rare bird in a 70. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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no issue with shoulders on 358 winchester opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I never understood the problem with the 358 at distance. It's parent case is a premier sniper round for the military but necked up it isn't? Give me a BT HP in a proportionate weight at .358 diameter to the 175 BTHP 308 sniper bullet. Let me see what some buds and I can do starting at 600 yds and beyond. I think it would be thumpy but workable at longer range. YMMV. Packy | |||
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The only problem the 358 has is it seems to work so well it is boring  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I would love to see a 358 win sniper rig 
577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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i have one... #5 douglas 1:10 twist on a springfield .. 225gr SPBT gamekings .. and its 5/8" gun ... about 2.5@ 300 .. which is the fartherest paper targets i've bothered to shoot it at ... also the first rifle i build for myself about 20 years ago .. BUTTUGLY!! .. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I have one in a Savage 99, and would love to have one on a Win push feed or Rem 700. Maybe even an intermediate M98 action. I can't run the 225 grain Accubond effectively because of magazine length issues with it and the 99. The Accubond looks to me to be a great bullet for the .358, haven't tried them yet in my Whelen either. | |||
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This is a 358 I put together on an intermediate Yugo action. I intend to try the 225 grain Accubonds but just haven't gotten around to it yet. The intermediate action screams 358.  The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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Pegleg,I know what you're saying. I had a Sako L579 that was a 243 and a M70 Classic Fwt in 7-08 that screamed 358 Win. I currently have a Sako AII Deluxe that feels imadequate as a 22-250. I may have to give Pacnor a call. There's just something magical about the 358 Win. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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The .358 Winchester ia among three very strong .358s.....the .358 Win, the .35 Whelen, and the .358 Norma Mag..... Any of them can do the job on moose and elk nicely.....the differences are simply in the question: "How far away do you want it done?" IMO the .308 case was best handled by necking it down to .243, .260 etc..... In .308 caliber it is still capable of anything the larger calibers will do on the same case. IMO the smallest case for .358 bullets is the one used on the .35 Whelen. I have to hand it to the .358 Win cartridge however as it's only a couple hundred feet/sec behind the larger cartridge. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I have a .358 but it uses 9.3x57 ammo. | |||
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The 358 Win almost equals the Whelen with 225s. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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May I ask what load you're using to muster 2,700 FPS with 225s in the .358 Win? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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That's the nicest 358 rig I have seen for a long while. My BLR 358 is nice, but I would like to have a bolt action 358 Win too. Can't have too many of them . Free speech has been executed on the altar of political correctness. | |||
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I have two of them. My first is one of the original Savage 99 feather weights. It shoots 200 gr Hornady spire pts into cloverleafs @ 100yds.It drops deer like lightning has struck them. I too wanted a nice little bolt gun that would allow bullets like the 225 Nosler accubond to be seated out to a little over 3 inches COL. I picked up a Tikka Model 55 action (they were also sold as the Ithica LSA 55 in the US)and put a McGowen barrel on it. It shoots the 200 gr Hornadys even better than my old Savage and I am now working on 200 gr TSX and 225 Accubonds and Partions. Even by seating bullets out to 3in I find a lot of powders require require compressed loads. I've been using W748, 3031,4895 (both of them).I've just picked up some H335, Terminator and H322. I would also like to try the new IMR powder 8202. Anyone have any loads with 225 gr they care to share? Thanks | |||
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The 358 win designed to replace the 348 win when the model 71 was discontinued. Not many folks had bad things to say about the 348's performance, and the 358 is better with the bullets and rifles available for it. Matt Matt FISH!! Heed the words of Winston Smith in Orwell's 1984: "Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." | |||
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I had 2 rifles - a Mod 70 push feed (243) rebarreled with SS 20" barrel & added a synthetic stock. It was brilliantly balanced for quick shooting - a real honey in the bush. I sold it in a moment of madness just because I got a nice 9.3X62! That rifle shot ragged 0.5" groups at 100 meters all the time with Sierra 225s. I would stick to the 225 Sierras & 225 Nosler Accubond. These bullets give you the margin at longer ranges and also penetrate well. The animals just drop on the spot & you can eat the meat right up to hole! Red deer in NZ drop like a sack of spuds. I also had a BLR which is now with a friend and I can borrow it any time. Again very nice handling and quick for bush hunting. I haven't shot game with it. When you shoot your rifle with 225 gr bullets on the range & notice the recoil, you will appreciate the big step up you are making. No elk or moose is going to go far with one of those slugs in the lungs. For a bolt action, I would rebarrel a Mod 70 classic (243?). Good luck. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I love my M70 Classic fwt in 358 Win that started life as a 7-08. I had Pacnor screw a 23 inch stainless tube on it, maintaining the factory fwt contour. It's a real killing machine that's a pleasure to carry, and it looks great too! **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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Vapo i get 2500 with the 225 ... federal used to claim 2550 with the whelen, but that is a known underload ... the whelen and 358win are the same comparisions as the 30-06 and 308 ... the 308 just can't match it, but its close jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, thanks for the help. If I remember correctly my Nosler manual showed similar numbers for the 358 and 35 Whelen using 225 grain bullets. I agree with the 308/30-06 comparison. I actally like both rounds equally. My choice would be based soley on the action length of the rifle. However, given a long action, I would probably go with the 9.3x62... My new love. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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Pegleg, Nice rifle, that intermediate action should allow you to run some pretty long bullets. I must say my .35 Whelen is kind of my neglected rifle since I have a .338-06 as well. However my .358 Savage 99 Brush Gun is what I really dream of taking Mule Deer and Elk with, just need to get a new scope on it. My 2-7 Weaver Micro-Trac had a power ring malfunction and is locked on 7X. Thinking I need a Leupold FXII 4X on it now since my Weaver K4 that came on the rifle went bad as well. Reticle is about 10 degrees off. Recoil isn't a beast with the Savage, just don't seem to have luck with scopes on this rifle. | |||
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I just missed a Dakota 97 in 358 Win last week for $1,800. Damn! | |||
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I have five rifles chambered to the .358 Win. A Savage M99, Browning BLR, two Ruger M77s and a Kodiak Mauser. Some outfit with the name Kodiak took a bunch of milsurp mausers and made sporters out of them. I had one years ago in .243 that was extremely accurate. A fellow I knew slightly also had one in .308 Norma mag. that was very accurate but was brutal on the shouler. Seems Kodiak did not believe in recoils pads that plastic buttplate hurt. A few ears back I found anither Kodiak, this time in .358 Win. and the price looked good so home with me it came. This is the only Kodiak rifle I've shot that so far defies giving me good groups but I'm not licked yet. I must say the two lever guns are the most accurate of the five. They have a prope 1 in 12" twist rate while the two Rugers and the Kodiak have 1 in 16" twist barrels, something I heartily do not approve of. I like the .358. I think it's a cool but very under rated cartridge. I know where some feral hogs have been hanging out and one of these days I plan to introduce them to my .358. Paul B. | |||
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If you guys love the .358win you have to read an article by John Barsness, that was in Handloader magazine August 2008 No.254 He uses a Ruger Hawkeye stainless/synthetic, with 22" tube and Norma 201 abd TAC powders with a magnum primer(that what western powder used for testing the 358win) With a 200gr Barnes TSX he got a velocity of 2,749fps and he stated that thats not a max load, 52grs. He also got 2,753fps with 52grs of Norma 201 and a 200gr Hornady roundnose, and .78 group!! John goes on to explain how the .358win has been very underloaded by Winchester(the only big ammo company who loads for it) probably because of the savage 99 with its rear locking lugs. If you look at 338 federal data all this proves to be safe as the 358 win should get a little more velocity with the same bullet weights. With a 225gr bullet he achieved 2,552fps not too shabby for such a small case... | |||
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I got back from the range with the 358 BLR and thought I would post my results shooting over the chronograph. 200 grain Hornady Soft Points clocked in at 2581 fps. over a charge of 39.5 grains of IMR 4198, I think I have found my hunting load. Free speech has been executed on the altar of political correctness. | |||
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I have one I built on a Win mod 70 action sports a pac-nor barrel and is a death whisper to elk with 250 gr Hornady's | |||
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I like the Nosler 225 partition in mine.  Elk, it's what's for dinner..  | |||
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A buddy of mine has an original Ruger m-77 in 358 win. We were amazed at the accuracy it demonstrated not fussy either on load combo's. | |||
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