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Huh?...inquring minds want to know?....we got everything but that


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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So why no 270-08 as a standard factory round?

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We also don't have a .25-08 and I would guess that the .260 Rem popularity is the reason. If it was selling like hotcakes we might see a .25 and a .27 variant.

Fact is we just have way too many chamberings now and the cost of tooling a new cartridge just isn't bring in returns.

In fact the 7mm-08 isn't exactly a fast mover but I'd guess a tad better than the .260.
 
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I am not a 308 fan so you know from the get go that my answer is biased. You can barely tell the difference between the various offspring now! Hold a 243 and a 260, hold a 260 and 7mm 08, Now you want to add an even closer one between the last two????


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Nah...I ain't going for that...The 260 was a real late comer...

We had the 243 and 7mm...it just seems like we shoulda had a 270-08...that 257 thing has always been an oddblall...LoL

Somebody musta wildcatted the 270-08 in about 1960...youda thunk it would caught on before the 7mm-08


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Somebody musta wildcatted the 270-08 in about 1960...youda thunk it would caught on before the 7mm-08

I'll lay odds that every conceivable caliber was wildcatted on the .308 case within a month after brass was available.

Lets be honest here, the .358 Win and the .338 Fed and the 7mm-08 Rem and the .260 Rem sales aren't anything to write home about. Only the .243 has been a successful variant on the .308 case.

With a record like that, why would anyone bring out a .25-08 or a .27-08.

Both would be fine deer rounds but the evidence is that they wouldn't sell!
 
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Rolltop,

Quit posting such logic...you are going to ruin you reputation...


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Trust me guys I relaize it makes no sense to have one...

It just struck me that the 270 Win is the most succesful 30-06 variant so I woulda thought that a 270-08 would have come out right away like in the late 50s early 60s.

It would be a great deer antleope even black bear round...just funny that it didn't follow int he footsteps of the 270 Win


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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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ummmmmmmmmmm, maybe it's redundant. Sounds better than saying useless. A 270/284 would be a better choice (IMHO) for a short action small bore.

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Mike,

I'll agree with you....

heck a 270/08 and a 25/08.. sound practical to me..

heck of a lot more appealing than a 270 Win Short Mag and a 25 WSSM in my book..a whole heck of a lot more practical...
 
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270/08 was done by ackley about 10 mins after the 270 winchester. since the 257 roberts, as normalized by remington, is a "short" (then) round, and fits in the 308 length mag, there was no need. It would perform less than a modern loaded 257 roberts ..


but, then again, if one loads a 7x57 to the same pressure, it outruns the 708...

btw, i NEVER understood the 270's success when the 7x64 brenecke, .007 larger bullet, had it beat for 40 years prior


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What would be the point?

There would be no difference in performance potential between a 270-08 & the 7mm-08 & there are far more 7mm bullet choices.

We are only talking .007" diameter difference here.

To my thinking, the 7mm WSM should have come out 1st & then the 270 WSM wouldn't have been needed.

What will a .277" bullet do that a .284" bullet won't?


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There would be no difference in performance potential between a 270-08 & the 7mm-08 & there are far more 7mm bullet choices.


Absolutely. None at all. In fact it would, as said, be LESS versatile than the 7mm-08 because of lack of bullet choice.

And because of it smaller base size give less velocity for more pressure in equal loadings...or so the theory would have it.
 
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It's all about marketing, what the consumer WILL purchase and money for development. With those two not having "MAGNUM" tied to the backend, probability is low. It cost firearms mfgs lots of money for all the testing and documentation that is required to protect liability issues. This is an insane litigious society.

What caliber are you willing to come out of your back pocket to finance?


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I recently bought a 260rem. With 120gr bullets and a 22" barrel it is chrono-ing at 2940 FPS and a grain less than book max powder loads.

I would have thought that you could practically duplicate 270win performance, certainly with 130gr or smaller bullets, on the '08 case. If this had been standardised 30 years ago, it should have established itself and the 7/08 and 260 may never have been born.


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Absolutely. None at all. In fact it would, as said, be LESS versatile than the 7mm-08 because of lack of bullet choice.

And because of it smaller base size give less velocity for more pressure in equal loadings...or so the theory would have it.


AND the same could be said of the 270 WSM compaired to the 7mm WSM..

It amazes me that the product development people @ Winchester made the same mistake as Remington did W/the 7mm Express/280. The 7mm WSM was delayed because it was found that, after the fact, a small toleranced 7mm WSM cartridge could possibly be chambered in a large toleranced 270 WSM chamber & be fired.

That is exactly what delayed the 7mm-06 as it was originally named. The same solution was used in both cases. Move the shoulder forward on the 7mm version to preclude chambering in a 270 chamber.

It looks like the college degrees didn't have any (knowledgeable) gun enthusiasts attached to them.

Too much college, not enough knowledge.


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It shows that Jack Oconnor and nostalgia can only carry you so far. Smiler The wildcat 270-08 is out there, of course but I would imagine the limited bullet selection is one of the inhibitors on the 27-308.
 
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Why would anyone want to take such a perfect caliber from the heavens like the 7mm08 and put that nasty bastard of a .270 caliber bullet in it? I say good taste is the answer. knife

Just kidding, but I hate .270's just like some people hate sports team xyz.
 
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"limited bullet selection" for a 270? What planet are you on? What bullet weight or type can you not find in .277?


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I see no flies on a 270-08. We have the 7-08, 260, and the 243, why not a 270 based on the 308 case? Beats me, and the 25-08 is called the 25 Souper which has been around for a long time as a custom build. You can do a custom build of the 270-08; that would work.




 
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Guys,

I am not talking so much about the performace perspective but mor ethe timing/historical perspective...

The 7mm-08 was wildacatted in the late 1950s and not standardaized until 1980.

I just would have thought that the 270-08 would have been more popular during the late 50s, 60s, and 70s becuase it was an american caliber.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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popcornThe real question should be Da Da "Why a .270 ?" Think about it> homerroger


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well heck Roge...

why should we have any other caliber when we have the 30/06 and it can do anything you want of it on this continent...
 
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Cuzz you can get the same performance by hacking off 4" of barrel off a 270 Big Grin


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Why?

- 7mm-08

- 270 Win. has low enough recoil
 
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"limited bullet selection" for a 270? What planet are you on? What bullet weight or type can you not find in .277?




Compared to .284, .277 IS limited.



Sierra bullets:

.277 bullet selection = 9 choices:
http://www.sierrabullets.com/i...ge=rifle&caliberID=7

.284 bullet selection= 12 choices: http://www.sierrabullets.com/i...ge=rifle&caliberID=8

33% better selection for .284 & weight range from 100gr to 175gr. a 75% range.

.277 has only 90gr to 150gr, only 67%



Hornady bullets:

.277 = 14 choices:
https://www.hornady.com/shop/?...28d0cb3d6f0e6d42c466

.284 = 19 choices:
https://www.hornady.com/shop/?...37de4558caf588c48018

No 90gr bullet in the .277 for Hornady. Only a 50% range in weight selection. .284 still has the 75% weight range.



Speer Bullets:

.277 choices = 9

.284 choices = 16

Similar weight ranges as Sierra.


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While I fully concur that there are more choices in bullets in .284 diameter than in .277 there certainly are adequate choices in .277 to do anything the 7mm-08 can do. Having more isn't necessarily better as long as there are enough.

I've never lacked for a proper .277 bullet!
 
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popcornThe real question should be Da Da "Why a .270 ?" Think about it> homerroger


Not 'Tacti-Cool' at the time of the 308Win adoption ... so Remington wouldn't have done it. Why anyway as the military round would obviously sell best and at the time 0.277" projectiles were limited. Why should Winchester at the time compete with its own creation in the 270Win?

Nowadays ... it has a hope with 110gr and 130gr AccuBonds ... great light varmint pills etc. Doubt it would be a huge success ... but how successful where the WSSMs.
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"Limited bullet selection" for a 270? What planet are you on? What bullet weight or type can you not find in .277?


Try a 175 grain if you can...much used for wild boar here...in any style that isnt "semi-custom" and costs the earth. Speer's 170 grain 270 is long discontinued.

Also in Europe (that small cluster of lands next to Russia always fighting each other until the USA comes along) cheap full jacketed military 7mm bullets are HALF price of any soft-point bullet.

And I guess so with surplus bullets from those South American 7mm Mausers too?

Pluse here, for a price, we have all the exotic 7mm TIG and TUG Brenneke bullets in 7mm...but nothing in 270.
 
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270/08 was done by ackley about 10 mins after the 270 winchester


Ackley was a fine gunsmith but I didn't know he was an inventor of a time machine.....first production of .270 Winchester, 1923.......first production of commercial .308 Winchester, 1952. Big Grin


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A 270/08 would make a lot more sense than all the stupid short magnums and super short magnum that everyone is so gaga about.
 
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if you want a 270-08 buy one of those 18.5 inch barreled Ruger bolt action RSI's in 270 winchester, about the same I would think and catridges be available at WalMart!
 
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Great question, Mike.

Of course we need a 25-06, a 6.5mmm-06 a 270 Winchester, a 280 Remington and a 30-06 like we need a whole in the head.

Same can be said of those on the 308 case. If we have need for the same calibers on the 30-06 case we have need for them on the shorter one!

And of course if we have a legitimate use for the 338-06 annd the 35 Whelen, we also have need of the 338 Federal and the 358 Winchester.

Next up are those same calibers based on the 284 Winchester case, I don't think the question is one of "need" but rather "desire"!

I wonder how many years the gunscribes have fed their families on the "VS" articles?

Hell, if the question was simply that of "need",
there would have been no reason to progress past the great little 7X57!

Yeah, we needed the short magnums and all those metric calibers too? Truth to be told, if we were better hunters there would be absolutely no need for any magnums! Are those long shots made possible by magnums a cover up for poor hunting skills? Whole nuther can of worms, eh?
 
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All,

Like I said my question is not driven by an issue of need or performance.

If we are talking about need or performance...we don't need anyhting other than 1 cartrdige in the 223/243 range, the 30-06, and the 375HH.

My question is more from a historical/cultural perspective....that is why 7mm-08 and 243 Win and not the 270-08.

Because from a performance perspective it would have seemed smarter to develop a 270-08 first. I would see a 130 grn 270-08 appear as eliminating the want for both the the 243 and 7mm-08.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Mike:
I like your list of things you've learned on AR. Expanding that list, in the same context, would make a great thread of its own.
Cheers...Tom


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Id buy one in a heartbeat. I am also sick of the limited bullet choices for a .270 answer. 90gr up to a 160gr partition,how many does a guy need?
 
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.270 Sabi (.270/.308) is a propriatory round from Sabi Arms in RSA and they do sell factory loads for it....
 
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Mike I posted this to the gunwriters on 24hour...

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/...php/topics/3380128/1

Now what I can say that is the next best thing is my 260 or 6.5x55 loaded with none other than the 130 Accubond Wink

At this time either is my go to round for deer/hogs, though my 6BR will get some field time as well with 85 Barnes and 95 BTs.

The 270-08 SHOULD have come out before the 260 and also the 338 Federal, never mind the Whiz mags of the world.
 
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Ok, guys. I haven't read all of the comments on Mike's question but.....
Check out P.O. Ackley's "Handbook for Shoters & Reloaders", Vol 1, pg 377.
He has one listed and says it's a fine, efficient .270 cartridge made by necking down a .308 Win. case.
He gives a vel. of 3136 fps with a 130 gr. bullet and 2782 fps with a 150 gr. bullet.
So there, you have it. Enjoy.
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Darn Bear. Just when I was going to suggest the 270 Dettore as a SAAMI round. nilly


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