The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Rifles Medium Bore Rifles So why no 270-08 as a standard factory round?Go | New | Find | Notify | Tools | Reply | |
| So why no 270-08 as a standard factory round? | Login/Join |
| One of Us |
Boy, talk about splitting hairs. Why not a 7mm-08 AI instead? I'm sure that someone could change an angle by 2 or 3 degrees for yet one more variation of the same junk. Consider the following: .22 Savage 6mm Lee Navy 6.5x55 .270 7x57 .300 Savage .30/06 .300 H&H 8x57 9.3x57 9.3x62 .375 H&H .416 Rigby .404 Jeffery .450 NE .500 Jeffery .505 Gibbs .577 NE Which cartridge is the youngest? Maybe the .270 in 1925? Is there an animal on earth that we couldn't hunt with one of those cartridges? Everything since maybe 1925 is just a variation or a refinement of an existing theme ... analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
|
| One of Us |
I have to state I am very happy with my Browning A-Bolt Medallion 25wssm. Shoots 110Accubond, TSX, and GameKings to .5 (3 shots not 5), weighs about 7lbs scoped w. Zeiss 3x9x40 Conquest, and drops deer just as dead as many other much heavier rifles. Not that 270WIN needs improving, but the 270WSM certainly offers increased velocity and has dropped animals damn well at long distances. These guys may not be necessary but they are simply a differenc choice. Much like so many other calibers, some tried and true, somne new and looking for a niche. | |||
|
one of us |
I am actually surprised the 260 was not a 270-08 instead. It seems to make more sense, the 270 is completely an American bore diameter & a SA version seems natural. Probably too alte now w/ 243, 260, 7-08, pretty much covers the spectrum. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
|
one of us |
Does anyone honestly think that there is a ".277 bullet choice" conspiracy amongst the bullet manufacturers? Did Speer drop the 170 grain offering in order to play an evil trick on 270 owners? The reason there are not more bullet type/weights available is because there's NO market demand for them. From 90 grains at 3400 fps to 160 grains at 2700 fps, the 270 Win covers as much ground as one should expect from any one cartridge. Add a smidgen for the 270 WSM. To get back on topic a bit, I guess the geniuses at Remington figured Winchester owned the 270 franchise so they seized on the 7mm-08 as a way to enhance their claim on the 280 franchise (since they did such a wonderful job afterall with the 280 Rem). I think the 260 Rem started life as a target round but after it found some favor as a hunting round, there just wasn't enough room left between .267 and .284 to make much profit for an ammo maker. ______________________________ "Truth is the daughter of time." Francis Bacon | |||
|
One of Us |
I think I solved the mystery... Winchester comercialize the NATO round to the 308 Winchester in 1952. In 1955 Winchester added two cartrdiges up and the scale. The 243 Win and 358 Win. Winchester probably had no interest in bring out a 270-08 probably for several reasons: 1) Perhaps the 243 abd 358 Win were not selling like very well and there was not a "short action" craze in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. 2) A 270-08 win was not going to offer much more than the 243 Win. 3) A 270-08 would really only cannabalize 270 Win Sales. Remington by now has already established its love affair with 7mm so when it brings out a short action round it brings out the 7mm-08. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
|
| One of Us |
Nah, there's still plenty of room for a 22-08 (quick twist for long range VLDs and heavier game bullets), 25-08 (light magnum loaded like a 25'06, handloaded like a 257 Bob), a 270-08, and a 9.3-08.  | |||
|
one of us |
Because .277 caliber sucks. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
|
| one of us |
The simple reason is the BC &SD for the 277 is not even in the same ball park as the 6.5mm and the 284/7mm.. As the for a 25-08 theres the 257DGR. regards grif | |||
|
| One of Us |
For the record: Remington has blown quite a few introductions based on just plain not knowing the customer. Among them are the 6mm Remington, 8mm Rem Mag, .280 Remington/7mm express, all the SAUMS, most if not all the ultra mags, the .260 Rem, 5mm rimfire, and I'd even argue the 7mm-08, and the .17 Rem. One would think that they would learn after a while! I'd postulate that Winchester avoided the .270-08 for the very reason you stated; it would detract from sales of the .270 Win and Remington avoided it because they didn't want to compete with the .270 Win. If there's a truth in the gun business (and I'm not sure there is) it's simply that you can build a better mousetrap but if the customer don't like it the darn thing won't sell. It's not relevant that it's better! I'd say there is no .27-08 because neither winchester nor Remington wanted to compete with the .270 win using a somewhat slower cartridge! | |||
|
| One of Us |
If they thought it would make $$$$ they would have made it. So, how are the .257 Bob and 7mm Mauser sales "U.S.", these days? The Bob is better on small game and the 7mm is better on larger game, so I've read all over these forums. Why even think .270? If the 7-06 was done first by Winchester and went gaga, or whored out, which ever you prefer, by one gun writer, we would not have seen a .270. Or as all the .30-06 worshipers say my 06 will kill everything from mice to elephants, why do we need any thing else! | |||
|
| One of Us |
MikeDettore, please read #2 on your list of what you have learned on the AR. LOL I have always wondered why no one has come out with a 375 WSM or a 375-338WM in a commercial cartridge? "The right to bear arms" insures your right to freedom, free speech, religion, your choice of doctors, etc. ....etc. ....etc.... -----------------------------------one trillion seconds = 31,709 years------------------- | |||
|
| One of Us |
The 270-08 is one of the best "never built" factory rounds. Another one is the 6.5-06. | |||
|
One of Us |
you make a point that I am in favor of a lot.. choice... as a handloader and the ease of Savage barrel changes ( its like a rifle from the company that made Erector Sets), we can have ANY cartridge we really want... we all have quirks... one of mine is, I love about any bullet stuck into a 308 sized case....except the 308...I can't see owning one... if I have a need for a 30 cal, I'll go with my 06... but I love the concepts of the 243, 260, 7/08 and 338 Federal...even the 358 Win has some sense in the right rifle set up..and even the 22/243 for a varmint rig.. but I just don't care for the 308....makes no sense, does it?  | |||
|
| one of us |
I can agree on the 22-308, makes more sens than the 22wsm, but a 25-08, way too close to the 6.5 w/o the upper end bullet choices. A 9.3 would be almost useless IMO, not enough powder cap to push big bullets. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
|
| One of Us |
i beleive the 270 version dies are avaliable its called a 270 Redding and the 25 cal version is called a 25 souper,the reloads i have seen listed in Nick Harveys manual put it right up there with the 25-06.Me i am a 338federal fan myself | |||
|
One of Us |
Heh, I'd like to direct you to a similar thread... http://forums.accuratereloadin...=635102426#635102426 "Errr...why isn't there a .270-08?" Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
|
One of Us |
The 7mm WSM was delayed because it was found that, after the fact, a small toleranced 7mm WSM cartridge could possibly be chambered in a large toleranced 270 WSM chamber & be fired. Wow! And if the RIFLE chamber can't tell the dang difference between the two, how could an animal you shoot with it?!? Overall, good question, though: why do we have what we have and why don't we have a 270/08? In the current world, we have so many cartridges that were developed independently and now are seen side-by-side with others from all over the world and from over a 100 years span of time. Compare a .270 to a 7X57 loaded to modern pressures in modern rifles. My 7X57's 140 grain will do everything that my brother's 270's 140 or 130 will do. Now-a-days, we compare and contrast cartridges on criteria that didn't exist previously. I mean, if we were thinking this over again without regard to legacy cartridges, almost everything would be a short action (why not?). The 30-06 and most of it's offspring would be replaced by .284 Win necked up and down. The lighter cartridges would be based on the 308 just as they are now, and the Mags would be the Short Mag family, with a few different ones at both ends of the spectrum and maybe sprinkled here and there in between. We'd have basically everything we have now with, what, 20 varieties at the most? Look, there isn't even really market space for a 16 ga. shotgun! And then we could morn and lament the loss of such historical by-gone's such as my 7X57, 30-06, 7mm Mag and the like. But we would have rifle chamberings made to optimize current materials, industrial mechanical processes and demands and tastes of the shooting and rifle buying public. Hey, I live in a nation that still measures distances in FEET !!!!!(who's foot exactly?) Fun to think about. If you exercised your freedom and aren't in jail, thank a liberal. | |||
|
One of Us |
 A really well thought out and deliverd posting.  Old age is a high price to pay for maturity!!! Some never pay and some pay and never reap the reward. Wisdom comes with age! Sometimes age comes alone.. | |||
|
| Powered by Social Strata | Page 1 2 |
 | Please Wait. Your request is being processed... |
|
The Accurate Reloading Forums THE ACCURATE RELOADING.COM FORUMS Rifles Medium Bore Rifles So why no 270-08 as a standard factory round?
Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia