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Posted 15 July 2010 17:15 Hide Post
Yeah BFR, you really should go bookmark all the nasty things said against the BFRs and Rugers. I darned sure didn't see them... (But I can clearly see your prejudice against what the majority of the posters on this thread see as the finest production revolver on the market!)

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Would you like me to devote a page to the things wrong with Freedom?
No, I won't do it!

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Originally posted by Doubless:

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Would you like me to devote a page to the things wrong with Freedom?
No, I won't do it!

Yes, I really wish you would, because they are nothing but opinion, again driven by your own personal hatred of a particular firearm. Admit it: Bob Baker ticked you off because you didn't get your way, and your butt is still burning! Even your personalized attack on his character has been countered by someone else on this thread.

Two years ago you were shown you did not know what you were talking about regarding a safety system on the FA. The hyperlink was posted, if you care to go back and look. I challenged you then, if you remember! I see that you haven't learned a lot in the last two years!

Get over it and admit your hatred is not shared by most. It really isn't that hard to do.

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So if he has as you call it a axe to grind why are you planting your lips so hard on the Bakers bums?

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Originally posted by GS:
For what it's worth, there is a Bowen .44 mag for sale for 1000 bucks and no one has bid on it. It's a ruger base gun.
I'm constantly looking for FA's, and, the last one I bought was 1100.00, and, that was a 757. A gun I bid on, and didn't get, FA old 83 454 went for 1125. That's a great deal, if you don't have to pay 9% sales tax, and a 100 bucks for Kali paper work.

Seems the 97's are fewer on sale, and, higher priced when they are.

"I have to disagree with you. While there are design and strength advantages to the Freedom, the Ruger can be brought up to same strength level -- i.e.: cylinder stop support. As far as tollerances are concerned, it is up to the discernment of the gunsmith.

The larger diameter cylinder you would use in a custom 5-shot Ruger, it is inherently stronger than the Freedom. Are we splitting hairs? Yes, as you would have to be a complete moron to hurt either. But, I don't buy into the "it's only a Ruger at the end of the day" arguement."

Kind of curious how the steel used in a ruger becomes as strong as 17-4, no matter what you do? Also, I guess you could argue that the super tight tolerances of an FA make it less
a defense tool then a hunting tool, since things that lock up an FA don't lock up a ruger.

By the way, I do have a Ruger maximum, and, I have NO intention of finding out if you are right or wrong...it's strong enough for what I want to shoot through it, and some of the stuff I don't.

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Originally posted by DWright:
Hmmm, starting to sound a lot like the Ford vs. Chevy, vs Dodge argument. . . . . . . .so. . . . . . . . now that I've got everyone all stirred up and arguing this that and the other, think I'll skip off into the sunset.
Cheers!

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Originally posted by trouthunterdj:
DWright -

If you pull the trigger on a FA 97 in a 44 spl, feel free to contact me anytime!!

BTW - Dodge sucks

Heh I'll do it.
Just got back from the range with my Ruger flat-top .44 spl. 231 makes it shoot great by the way.




ddj

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Originally posted by DWright:
Hmmm, starting to sound a lot like the Ford vs. Chevy, vs Dodge argument. . . . . . . .so. . . . . . . . now that I've got everyone all stirred up and arguing this that and the other, think I'll skip off into the sunset.
Cheers!

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As far as tight clearances being an advantage in the field, I would argue that the opposite holds true under hunting conditions and would actually offer a distinct disadvantage where a lock-up could spell disaster by rendering the firearm inoperable.

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Originally posted by DWright:
Got to thinkin about the few disagreements here in this thread. Here's the deal.
The reason we are all here is because we all shoot firearms. And in this thread, it's handguns. This gives us all something in common right from the git go.
A certain firearm my not hold the same fasination or utility for all of us however. That is not a bad thing.
Personaly I find something to like about most brands of handguns. At least all the ones discussed here so far.
The Ruger has the adavantage of being not only strong (enough), but easily modified to ones personl tastes. Because of that lot's of good smiths modify them to our spacific tastes. Thats a good thing.
I think FAs are built like a bank vault, and they have very tight tolerences. That's good for strength, and also just for the guy like myself that enjoys looking at, and using such a handgun. A good thing.
The BFRs, though not neccesarly MY thing, I would imagine are hell for stout, and I bet pretty easy to hit far away tagets, with lot's of power behind the bullet when it gets there. Another good thing! Especially when it comes to hunting game.
Point being, we all will see something a little different in ever firearm, depending on our personal experiences, and ideas about each one. That don't mean we can't all be open minded and except what someone else see's in them.
It can actually be a lot of fun to try a gun that someone has and enjoys, that you feel negative about, and try and see a little of what the owner likes about it. I know because I have done that many times. Gives you a new perspective.
It's shouldn't be about proving that our ideas are RIGHT, and their's are wrong. It should be about sharing what we do like about a gun with each other.
I like extremely accurate rifles for the precision that goes into them. 'Kenny Jarretts' for example. And remember his bean field rifles are just worked over Reminton 700s. At least before he started making his own actions. But I like better and old well worn '86 Win, lever that lobs big hunks of lead, and makes big holes. There is a draw to both, but they can not be compared, and were never meant to be. Not to a real gun folk.

And that's alright!

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How come the Bakers have never given credit to those who have helped design a few of there calibers?

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Originally posted by cottonstalk:
LS I am a little surprised that you are a Baker proponent.Everyone has a right to their opinion.For me I will never support the Bakers not one penny.They build a nice product,but I'd rather have a custom.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Had an interesting and rather disappointing shooting session yesterday. Was using a 7.5-inch FA83 in .454 Casull, to test some factory ammo -- both cast and jacketed, to use potentially in an upcoming hunt. I managed to tie it up three times with two cast loads, and three times with one jacketed load. Pulled crimp ever so slightly, and the gun was out of commission until the bullets could be sufficiently pushed back into their cases. Bummer. I had high hopes. The short cylinder seems to be a real hindrance to reliability. I was more than a little shocked and disappointed. It's a beautiful gun and I know it shoots well. I won't divulge the ammo manufacturers as they are really not relevant and I don't want to distract from the real issue here. We have used ammo from all of these particular manufacturers with much success, but never have I experienced pulled crimps (not that I know of) in my SRH in .454.

I actually wanted to purchase this gun, but am not so sure now.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
You know what, you repeatedly get defensive in these posts. I have attempted to remain neutral here, and remain objective and emotionless. The issue is not so much that the crimps pulled, but that even the slightest pulling resulted in the gun getting tied up. It takes very little to render this revolver inoperable, evidently. Now, if you can't see beyond your bias.......

So, back at ya.