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I know this has been discussed multiple times, but a few more questions on this. The guns I have now are a .270, .222, AR-15 (223), and multiple 12 gauge shotguns. I am planning on going up to northern Michigan in the near future for Russian Boar hunting. Which of the guns would be the most appropriate for them, or what should I look into getting for them? Any help would be greatley appreciated! Thanks! | ||
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All three of those will work, the .222 and .223 with shots right behind the ear, and the .270 with a heart or head shot. With that said, this sounds like a fine occasion to get a new rifle!! What have you been wanting? Good Hunting, Bob There is room for all of God's creatures....right next to the mashed potatoes. http://texaspredatorposse.ipbhost.com/   | |||
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doc--I've killed most of my pigs (100+) with a .22-250, but only with head shots for 99% of them. Your .270 with any deer-sized game appropriate bullet will knock 'em dead. One thing to note--heart is a bit lower in the chest than a whitetail- An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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I'm not a bare minimum kind of person and headshots don't always present themselves (dustoffer is just really good!). I would definitely go with the .270, but Bob had a great point. Why not use this occasion to get another rifle? Lord knows you can never have too many!  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I would bring boh the 270 and the shotgun (with buckshot). You may be hunting and have opportunities out beyond 100 yards, but there is a possibility you may find your self in an area with limited visibility and the shotgun might prove to be most desirable. Bob Nisbet DRSS & 348 Lever Winchester Lover Temporarily Displaced Texan If there's no food on your plate when dinner is done, you didn't get enough to eat. | |||
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Ahh h**l, just go get a Marlin 45-70! Mad Dog | |||
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That's actually a great idea! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The .270 will be plenty of gun, my hunting buddy uses a .270 for deer hunting, and has killed several hogs with it, although we always have to track them - he insists on shooting them behind the shoulder just like a deer, and they do run off a ways in the woods. One of the biggest hogs I've shot (300 lbs) went down to a single shot from my 6.5 x 55. Now I'm a mere dabbling novice compared to some of the guys on this forum, but I have hunted hogs in several southern states, and find that they aren't that hard to kill provided you place the shot well. I've seen a lot of deer run off 40-50 yds with their heart and lungs shot out, but a hog, hardly ever. Now, the idea about buying a new hog rifle never hurts. You might consider a bigger caliber if you will be shooting hogs late in the evening. In my experience, a 9.3 x 62 kills even the hugest (is that a word?) hogs with authority, and a .375 H&H will positively blow them off their feet! | |||
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If I was going to buy a bigger bore rifle for hogs, it would be a .45-70 lever gun. And, I'd put a good Decelerator recoil pad on it, then work up a load using the Barnes 300 gr HP bullets. Look at the numbers for that bullet--it is eye-opening. My buddy had just that combo and out to 150 yds it is nothing but a "ham slammer". The truth be known--it isn't what you hit 'em with so much as where you hit 'em. An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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The 270 will work just fine with 130 or 150gr bullets. I just cannot bring myself to hunt pigs with a 223. I use a 308 most of the time. I will probably use my 405 WCF on my next hunt. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I second what maddog and Whitworth said. Get a Marlin 45-70. My Marlin Cowboy holds nine and the 405 grain FN cast bullet is pure poison on hogs--and about anything else, for that matter. | |||
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I would go with the 358 Winchester. It has more puch than most mentioned out to 300yards with a 250GR bullit. I also would take my 4"44, you never know when you might need back up. | |||
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Another vote for the Marlin 45-70 ________________________________________________ Never met a Colt I didn't like. | |||
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If you're not going to buy a new .45/70, then I'd use the .270. I've hunted hogs in Michigan's Upper Peninsula several times and the woods can be quite thick, making it easy for a hog to take off into the second growth balsam. I've used a bow, a .44 magnum revolver, and a .45/70 rifle. The bow shot was in winter but with a heart shot, the hog didn't make it 30 yards. Basically, use whatever you feel is appropriate for whitetail hunting and you'll be fine. | |||
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404 Jeffery, anywhere! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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You definitely need a new rifle. If I had a 270 and was only going to get one more rifle, I would get a CZ 9,3x62 and then you are set. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The 270 with 150gr premium (tough, locked core) bullets. You might get a chance at a 350 lb'er at 150-250 yds, and the others would be far less desirable. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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I sure have more fun shooting my 1895G 45-70 than anything else and it will put down even mutant hogs and zombies equally well! Dennis | |||
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Sometimes you need some proof. Shot with 45-70 GG.    The 45-70 will put a can of whoopass on any hog livin' Mad Dog | |||
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I prefer a "short" gun, and here is a photo of my "hog" gun doing double duty as a "snake" gun.  And another of it in action on a hog.  BTW Mine is a 9.3x62, but your 270 would be my choice for you. | |||
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Jeff, can't believe you are out there getting your new M03 dirty!  Nice hog, nicer rifle! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Actually, it is a Blaser Professional R-93, but I refuse to own a gun that I can't use. One of the beauties of the finish on a Blaser is that it is "hose-able".  | |||
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the boars in MI tend to go from big to HUGE .. 375 ruger/hh .... 35 whelen .. or a 338-06, on the small end ... 270 with middle weight tsx bullets but i'd hate to loose an awesome trophy cuz shooting a pop gun opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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there's nothing wrong with the 270 case, if you are using euro brass, as it tend to measure real close to .473 ... leave the spent primer in, cut the shoulder off, and fill it with lead, thats a nice hog buster for a .470 caliber rifle .... which is what *I* would take opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Good Lord, they're big but not equipped with Kevlar hair! A .270 will kill them QUITE dead providing you do your job and put the bullet through the heart/lung area. | |||
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I'm guessing it must be tough to get up close and personal to boars in MI? If not, then why wouldn't an ounce of lead flying at 1500fps inside 50 yds. knock the snot out of any boar? I'm not a ballistics expert(not even an amateur) but a 12g slug seems a better choice inside 75yds. or so than anything else he owns right now.....no? Absolutely no argument about the others being capable......just curious why not even one person thought a 12g slug could get the job done. | |||
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Yo Flighty-Doc, Welcome aboard! Good query, although without purchasing another Boomer (although the occaision is ripe - Why, not?) your .270 Winchester with 150's ought to handily reduce any Porker to it's basic componet - saussage! Having said that; as others mentioned - I especially like Mad Dog's 45/70 & Jeff's 9.3x62 Piggie options; these are tough tools to beat for just about any Piggie opportunity. Yeah, you can see where this is headed; I prefer .30/06 Sprg. with 220's and upwards for Porkers, .338 Win. Mag., 35 Whelen, 9.3x62, 9.3x74R, 45/74, ect. and I'm known to pot 'em with a 375H&H, too. For Piggies I prefer the heavy hitters. As for I Shooter's suggestion .....
I consider his 358 Winchester reco a seriously great idea - especially in a tidy Ruger or Remington short-actioned, short-tubed rifle. A singularly optimal Piggie-Basher that. Have Fun with your choice and a good hunt up north. Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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My sons little 250 AI with 100 gr TSX's worked just fine.  As did my Old Model Ruger 44 Mag SBH with 275 gr Cast WFN's at a measly 1100 fps.  They ain't that hard to kill. | |||
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You got that right boxhead! They ain't that hard to kill. An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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I use a 450-400 and it doesn't matter where I hit them. Get a 45-70; 270s are pest and very small deer guns at best. Yes, I read everything Elmer wrote and make no apologies for it. "I want my guns to kill on both ends." Get "Hell, I Was There", by Elmer Kieth and follow it. | |||
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dpcd, if you like guns that kill at both ends, what are you doing with a 450-400? That is one of the most pleasant big-bore rounds I have shot! LOL! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Hi, I am jeffe.. a big bore / big boar NUT! i don't believe in "really good shot presentation only" guns ... with a 375 you can brain them from either end! i like bang, flop .. and consider a 358 winchester to be a minimum for hogs .. 376 steyr/375HH is a darn fine pig round ... though I think 416 something or other should be considered the minimum for anything over 50# ... why? i like to be able to be assured that if i do my part, from nearly ANY angle, i will humanely and instantly harvest any critter i north america opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Whitworth, you got me there; the 450-400 is downright pleasant to shoot in the K gun; the Ruger is somewhat more impressive. (Anyway, I was quoting Elmer) True, hogs are easy to kill but I like to kill them first time, every time, from ANY angle. I don't worry about shot placement with the big stuff. | |||
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Bull-friggin' S#$T!!! I have a 5 X 5 bull elk taken in Idaho with a 150-grain GS out of a .270. He is hanging in a restaurant in my home town in TX. Come take a look. And I don't care what you shoot a pig with amidships, he is going to run. Gut shot is gut shot. Period. A pig is just a pig, but you hit them somewhere other than where they live, and all you will get is the squeal. Hit them in either the wheelhouse or the command center and they die just as easily as a cottontail rabbit shot with a .22 LR. Shoot what you are comfortable shooting, and put the bullet where it belongs. But be forewarned: a hog's vitals are behind the shoulder, not to the rear of it. Shoot through the shoulder and you will get lungs, down low where the front leg bends and you get the heart. Use a good bullet that holds together and you will be fine. Kevlar hair, indeed...  | |||
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I worry about shot placement no matter what I am hunting and no matter what I am shooting. A big bullet in the wrong place is just that, a big bullet in the wrong place. Come on now, you can't be serious making a statement like that, can you? "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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dpcd wrote:
Those 2 sentences are complete contradictions. You say you like to kill them the "first time" but then say you don't worry about shot placement with "the big stuff." Like others have noted, a poorly placed shot on a hog is just that -- a poorly placed shot. And the hog will likely run and may never be recovered, no matter what you hit them with. You ARE right when you say they are not hard to kill. Two calibers I have killed quite a few with are mild by anyone's standards and include the 6.5 Bullberry IMP (aka 6.5x30-30 AI) and 7mm Bullberry, the latter which is based on the 7mm IR with the neck trimmed back to give a case length of 1.75". The largest hog I have ever killed was taken with a 6.5x55 and a 140 grain Hornady SP from a range of 252 yards. It waas a bang-flop via a bullet placed directly through the shoulder. The 2nd largest weighed in at 353 pounds and was taken with the 7mm BB and a 120 grain bullet at 2650 fps MV. The range was 80 yards, and the hogs went down in perhaps 20 yards, but a premium on shot placement -- with the bullet taking off the top of the heart -- made it happen. And judging by your statement calling the .270 WCF a pest and small deer gun, the hogs killed by my son and a 25x30-30 must have only been stunned, right? He used both the 85 grain Ballistic Tip at around 3000 fps and the 80 grain TTSX at 3056 fps and had no problems putting the pork down for the count. So you have me quite worried now. If any meat from those 25x30-30 hogs remains in the freezer, I hope and pray that it doesn't get up and run off... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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