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I received an email last week or so advising that unofficial ballots were being sent out. I had already sent my official ballot to DSC. Today, I received the “unofficial” ballot, which makes some serious allegations of corruption, self dealing, and a revolving door of leadership. While not naming some of the offenders, it is obvious the identity of some. Those people, in my opinion, would never take advantage of their positions. I can’t vouch for those I can’t identify. Basically, I have no problem with the current leadership or structure of DSC. I’m just curious if anyone else had received this? I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | ||
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Could it be there are some disgruntled individuals who wish to rock the boat? Like yourself, Some of what I have heard is very hard to believe. | |||
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They started to be handed out a couple of weeks ago. Some were being distributed by hand at SCI. From what I am told, these are being distributed by a disgruntled member. They need to be very careful. Things like this, if false, can have dire consequences. Look at the info below for example. A judgement in excess of $17 million: https://www.imjlawfirm.com/sin...n-Verdict-1765742000 | |||
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That is one reason that I have not publicized some disappointing outfitter actions that I considered fraudulent in the past. Sort of like buying used cars, appliances, properties, etc - you may not know what you bought until well after you have it. Sometimes it is best to learn from experience and move on. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Sorry to hear about this. I am not currently a DSC member, but still consider the DSC on a plane far above SCI when it comes to corruption. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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This is indeed a tiny, disgruntled group of dissidents that are seeking to disrupt the current success DSC has worked so tirelessly to achieve in recent years. They are trying to achieve their former positions of power through intimidation, non-truths,and thinly veiled accusations. I say this as a VERY involved Life Member of this fine organization, and my deep understanding of the hearts and motivations on both sides of this issue. Read Larry's response of warning to this group, he is reading the tea leafs with great clarity... Dave Fulson | |||
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it wasn't signed Adam Schiff at the bottom was it? | |||
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No doubt and I had heard some rumblings over the past few years and I am nowhere nearly as involved as you. I love DSC and respect the guys at the top, even if many are the same faces. They have the drive and motivation to VOLUNTEER and bust their asses while doing so. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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May be the instigators of these rumors do not like this? And wish to turn DSC into an SCI with all its corruptions? | |||
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Hate to see this. In my opinion DSC is very well run. Always someone who isn't happy. Either because they want to be in charge, or because their pet project isn't getting the attention they want. Usually the odd nut. Look back to the history of the NRA. I'll always continue to support DSC and the current management. They are doing a great job. Those that oppose it are simply nuts and are the enemy. | |||
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The sad thing is, this group “Save DSC” spent a lot of money mailing out these proxies and allegations, but they used very poor grammar in the approximate 13 pages of accusations. I did not take the time to read the proposed new bylaws. As I’ve said, DSC is doing just fine in my opinion. In fact, it only gets better. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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SAVE DSC from what? Getting better and better? Want to do some good, and save us from a failing organization? Go and try saving SCI! It will be to the benefits of real hunters, not as it is now catering for the wanabe Kardashians and their stupid circles! | |||
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I've given up on SCI; used to be a member. But I continue to believe in DSC; am a life member. | |||
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Only a non-voting Associate Member, could someone PM me the 13 pages? | |||
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SCI is the perfect place for lardazzzed lawyers and Hollywood hunters. | |||
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Me too. Thanks. | |||
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Same here, a non voting associate that would like to see the document as well DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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I would like to see the 13 pages too. | |||
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SAVE DSC A significant group of Dallas Safari Club life members, former directors, convention chairs (and with the endorsement of FIVE Past DSC presidents) have decided that the only way to get the wonderful and talented members in control, and deeply in to the operation and direction of the Club to ensure ethical, honest, legitimate and transparent governance, is with fresh leadership, innovative initiatives and by revising the structure of the club via functional by-laws. The fresh faces and by law changes will bring the VOTE to the members. The structure would allow the MEMBERS to truly select the Officers and all of the directors. Currently the members do not get to vote for the officers. The directors are picked by a small ever constant group of people and the membership is in essence told to ratify them. This has led to significant indications of stagnation and corruption. The same few rotate over and over. The new bylaws would open the club to vast numbers of participants via term limits and new opportunities that would not exist otherwise. SAVE DSC presents you with just a few reasons why improvement is imperative. I. DSC has gone without a critical audit for 38 years. The DSC treasurer, not elected by the members, is at the same time the president of the foundation that receives the vast amount of its money through DSC. II. DSC, an International multimillion-dollar club, does not have so much as an ethics handbook much less a Comprehensive Ethics Code. One may surmise that has caused some shameful things to simply pass by. III. It is time to have a bylaws with teeth, limitations on financial returns of board members, directors’, officers, and employees , etc., DSC desperately needs rules which prohibit officers of the DSC, DSC Foundation and the DSC Frontline foundation trading places year after year, to the near complete exclusion of members. This exists in spite of truly gross conflicts of interest.? Why would anyone not be for members voting and ethical, honest legitimate transparent government? IV. DSC should have background checks for Board members, officers and award recipients so no one under investigation for wildlife crimes should attain status much less governance in the Club? Why be opposed to this? V. Board Meetings be open to ALL members? Why the secret society? VI. There should be free and fair elections with spirited debate not a presentation of three people of the controlling network. VII. Our past president removed an ethics committee member while this past president was under investigation. Only one man stood against that. The complaint was eventually brushed away. How does one support that? VIII. DSC should cause benefit to its members who should determine how it is operated and regarded. We should make changes that bring democracy and a representative republic. How can one be opposed to free and fair elections and in favor of some five men dictating all of the decisions. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL THESE THINGS NEED TO BE PERMANANTLY CORRECTED THEN YOU KNOW WHY THESE LIFE MEMBERS BEGAN “SAVE DSC”. DSC has been a respected leader in the conservation world. Atrocious conduct brought on by defective bylaws not serving the members, and excessive concentration of power have corroded the reputation of DSC . SAVE DSC will, with your help and support, be the world’s most respected member controlled and involved club on the planet but only with YOUR help and support. The way to do that is with good honest leaders with new perspectives, a structure which has terms limits, voting rights and avenues for new people to be deeply involved in the club and not shunned in favor of a power elite. If you have questions or wish to financially support and or help in this quest for improvement please send them to: savedallassafariclub@gmail.com If you are a voting member of DSC you will have gotten a packet with the entirety of the new bylaws a ballot where you can vote for highly qualified members for the board of directors, instead of entrenched people who toe the line and most of all YOU NOW HAVE an opportunity to vote for bylaws that will take DSC to a very HIGH level through great ethics, honesty , legitimacy and transparency. Please support this! | |||
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This is fishy like hell. | |||
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No one signed their name to it......lacks credibility. | |||
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Bloody hell! Whoever made this bullshit should be banned from any hunting organization for life! What a load of unadulterated, stupid thing they wish to do! | |||
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Received this today. DSC Official Proxy Update Members, DSC has been made aware that additional ballot packages are being circulated among members that did not originate from the DSC Board. DSC’s official proxy and ballot package bears DSC’s logo and is approximately 7 pages in length, whereas the additional ballot package is approximately 72 pages in length and contains Director nominees and Bylaws which are not recommended by DSC’s Board. Numerous members have contacted DSC with their concerns regarding the changes proposed in the additional 72-page ballot package. The additional ballot package proposes replacing the existing Bylaws with a set of Bylaws which are approximately 49 pages in length and are not explained with particularity. These proposed Bylaws would have radical consequences within DSC. We recommend that you DO NOT execute the additional ballot package. In the interim, we will be reviewing the proposed changes and may have further comments later. Sincerely, Scott Tobermann, President >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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If anyone had any doubt before that these idiots are no friends of DSC or its members. They showing their true colors. Crooked, sneaky and totally untrustworthy! | |||
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If the above changes are correct, and I am not sure they are. I fail to see the problem with most of them. Especially the background check for wildlife crime violations. But 38 years without an audit? That can't be right. | |||
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Having been on a board of directors of a similar club for many years this discussion brings back some memories - some good, some bad. 1. Our board meetings were open to members for good reasons and when arranged in advance. For instance, a presentation by a web site designer. The more people present, the more chit chat and the less work that gets done. 2. We always had legal and CPA representation on the board. The CPA handled the annual audits and taxes the attorneys kept us from taking illegal actions. 3. Our foundation was NEVER run by the active board chairman or board member and was separate from the club. 4. When club secretary, I maintained the club by laws and any proposed changes were thoroughly vetted before a vote. It was amazing how many college graduates had trouble with legal lingo. I always had a by laws copy at each meeting and all my recent meeting reports; these documents helped avoid some confusion. 5. Vetting of new members and especially officers and board members is critical. Failure to do this can lead to serious problems for a club. 6. There are what look to be rumors and accusations with no evidence or proof in the material accusing the present DSC management of improper actions. The accusers should prove their allegations or be kicked out of the club and possibly be sued for libel. Maybe even tar and feathers; there must be consequences. Though not a DSC member, I have had some interaction with the club and was always impressed with how they run their annual show in Dallas. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Speaking of background checks, how did so many Sheltons get on this forum? And I know none of the others. NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Some of the allegations are alarming. In particularly I am concerned about the allegation of no financial audits, members holding multiple positions that could cause conflicts of interest, and unqualified relatives being appointed to positions. If the allegations are not true I expect to see legal action. If there isn't any legal action I will start wondering about how much of it is true. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I’ve been a board officer, including treasurer, on a few non-profits. In the non-profit realm there are three different types of financial reviews: Compilations, Reviews, and Audits. One of these must be accomplished each year. Last year I was board president of an organization that has been around for over 20 years and never conducted an audit. This is not at all unusual, but it does serve to inflame the people who do not know about non-profit financial review regulations. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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It may be the SOP and legal, but I think it is very shady. I think non-profits should be more transparent than corporations. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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As president of a CPA firm, I can tell you that this is not at all unusual. Audits are expensive. I am also on the board of two non-profits. One of these is doing a lot of conservation things all over the world . In certain states , in order to register in those states , an audit must be completed if the revenues reach a certain level. Not I said some as opposed to all. Does DSC need an audit? They need one if the governing documents and/or government regulation require one. The money DSC saved has helped conservation and hunting rather than paying someone like me. | |||
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I believe I have responded to all of Txgunny's points but I'd like to add a couple of things he failed to mention...like their bylaws require the club, DSC, to "reimburse the professional attorney timeand/or accounting time that went into the drafting, preparation and the contest for these bylaws to be put put in place by the club members" (who happens to be a founding member of this group), I'm not the brightest bulb in the box but this is a play to get at DSC's money. Several other such things in their bylaws, too. One thing that stands out to me is the likelyhood of a change of executive directors in a very short time. Sorry for the long post and if you want to see what they have sent to untold numbers of members, PM me an email and I will send it to you. Please note that if I send it to you the extremely tiny text in the bylaw portion is their doing not mine. And i don't think they used a tiny text by accident. Karl Evans | |||
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The term "Critical Audit" seems to imply no audit when, in fact, an audit may have been performed within 38 years just not this authors (whomever he or she may be) "Critical Audit". Semantics are the games our current Democrats/animal rights and other disreputable people use to obfuscate and mislead. | |||
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Exactly ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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This is crap.... DSC is fine and run well. What is ther3 to save? | |||
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I may be guilty of lacking reading comprehension because I originally thought that meant no audit. I am on the board of a small non-profit and we do not have an external audit. We do have an annual internal audit. The audit committee (by our by-laws) consists of the treasurer and at least two members who are not on the board. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Whoever these are, if they were honest and straight forward, they should have put their names on the ballots, got involved and made the changes they wanted, with the approval of the members. I think there is something very fishy the way they are going about it. Could it be that they wanted something, undesirable, to be done, and those in charge had refused it? Hence they are taking a totally fishy way of trying to get back at them?? | |||
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I’m almost thankful, as these documents helped get my fire going. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Marcus, based on the emails and calls I’ve received, you are not alone. Karl Evans | |||
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Are the people behind this coup linked to SCI? | |||
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