quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

The ONLY way to correct the glaring mistakes SCI has been doing for years is to REPLACE THE WHOLE LOT AT THE TOP.

With REAL hunters.

Not the sorry lot who have been running it for years now.

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

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In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Aaron:

Why this money was never utilized towards the Lion Conservation Project does indeed raise questions:

1. Does SCI know something about the up-listing of the Lion that others don't - hence their reason for miming the 3 monkeys?

2. Is it possible that they might have access to inside and secretively guarded knowledge on this issue and as a result have purposely reneged on the disbursement of the funds to their intended purpose?

It just doesn't make sense that in one instance they lobbied valiantly in the raising of funds for a very valid project, only to submerge themselves without the trace of a bubble once a substantial amount had been secured; $1M is no small change for any project!

One also wonders how the selfless donors must be feeling, on how or where their contribution ended up - if it didn't go to the Lion cause then where and if it hasn't gone anywhere other than languish in the SCI account, it would have been better off in the pockets of those who donated to be used in other fields.

Seeing this money was not utilized should it not have been refunded or at least announce SCI's intentions of refunding its rightful owners - just for the sake of transparency of course?

Fujo - Obviously I can't answer your questions, and I never like to speculate/assume as to others doings or intentions. But, your questions are valid.

I too would like to know the answers?? I too would like to see a breakdown of where the $1million sits now, regardless of where that is. If SCI can in fact show that all the money has already been allocated to lion conservation projects - then I will stand corrected, and say so too. But if its not been allocated already - why not?? Its been a full year now. To not have allocated by now, 100% of that money in the name of lion conservation - is irresponsible. Why are donors giving in the name of conservation, and the recipients (SCI) not using the money as it was intended???

BRETT BARRINGER, MIKE JINES & MATT GRAHAM - Gentlemen, can you please inquire to SCI for a breakdown that we can all see and VERIFY as to its accuracy, a full accounting of the $1million raised for lion conservation, now a full year later. Say as of February 1, 2014 - can we get a full accounting of the funds? Honestly, I would be very interested to see where, if anywhere, the money has gone to - 12 months down the road? Guys, just asking you - as I think you three might have a more direct line to getting the answers than would I.

Thank you,

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

quote:

In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Aaron:

Why this money was never utilized towards the Lion Conservation Project does indeed raise questions:

1. Does SCI know something about the up-listing of the Lion that others don't - hence their reason for miming the 3 monkeys?

2. Is it possible that they might have access to inside and secretively guarded knowledge on this issue and as a result have purposely reneged on the disbursement of the funds to their intended purpose?

It just doesn't make sense that in one instance they lobbied valiantly in the raising of funds for a very valid project, only to submerge themselves without the trace of a bubble once a substantial amount had been secured; $1M is no small change for any project!

One also wonders how the selfless donors must be feeling, on how or where their contribution ended up - if it didn't go to the Lion cause then where and if it hasn't gone anywhere other than languish in the SCI account, it would have been better off in the pockets of those who donated to be used in other fields.

Seeing this money was not utilized should it not have been refunded or at least announce SCI's intentions of refunding its rightful owners - just for the sake of transparency of course?

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

quote:

In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Aaron:

Why this money was never utilized towards the Lion Conservation Project does indeed raise questions:

1. Does SCI know something about the up-listing of the Lion that others don't - hence their reason for miming the 3 monkeys?

2. Is it possible that they might have access to inside and secretively guarded knowledge on this issue and as a result have purposely reneged on the disbursement of the funds to their intended purpose?

It just doesn't make sense that in one instance they lobbied valiantly in the raising of funds for a very valid project, only to submerge themselves without the trace of a bubble once a substantial amount had been secured; $1M is no small change for any project!

One also wonders how the selfless donors must be feeling, on how or where their contribution ended up - if it didn't go to the Lion cause then where and if it hasn't gone anywhere other than languish in the SCI account, it would have been better off in the pockets of those who donated to be used in other fields.

Seeing this money was not utilized should it not have been refunded or at least announce SCI's intentions of refunding its rightful owners - just for the sake of transparency of course?

Fujo - Obviously I can't answer your questions, and I never like to speculate/assume as to others doings or intentions. But, your questions are valid.

I too would like to know the answers?? I too would like to see a breakdown of where the $1million sits now, regardless of where that is. If SCI can in fact show that all the money has already been allocated to lion conservation projects - then I will stand corrected, and say so too. But if its not been allocated already - why not?? Its been a full year now. To not have allocated by now, 100% of that money in the name of lion conservation - is irresponsible. Why are donors giving in the name of conservation, and the recipients (SCI) not using the money as it was intended???

BRETT BARRINGER, MIKE JINES & MATT GRAHAM - Gentlemen, can you please inquire to SCI for a breakdown that we can all see and VERIFY as to its accuracy, a full accounting of the $1million raised for lion conservation, now a full year later. Say as of February 1, 2014 - can we get a full accounting of the funds? Honestly, I would be very interested to see where, if anywhere, the money has gone to - 12 months down the road? Guys, just asking you - as I think you three might have a more direct line to getting the answers than would I.

Thank you,

Aaron,

I think our friends who have been ardent supporters of SCI are in the same boat as the rest of us.

I doubt that they know this information.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

quote:

In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Aaron:

Why this money was never utilized towards the Lion Conservation Project does indeed raise questions:

1. Does SCI know something about the up-listing of the Lion that others don't - hence their reason for miming the 3 monkeys?

2. Is it possible that they might have access to inside and secretively guarded knowledge on this issue and as a result have purposely reneged on the disbursement of the funds to their intended purpose?

It just doesn't make sense that in one instance they lobbied valiantly in the raising of funds for a very valid project, only to submerge themselves without the trace of a bubble once a substantial amount had been secured; $1M is no small change for any project!

One also wonders how the selfless donors must be feeling, on how or where their contribution ended up - if it didn't go to the Lion cause then where and if it hasn't gone anywhere other than languish in the SCI account, it would have been better off in the pockets of those who donated to be used in other fields.

Seeing this money was not utilized should it not have been refunded or at least announce SCI's intentions of refunding its rightful owners - just for the sake of transparency of course?

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

quote:

In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Aaron:

Why this money was never utilized towards the Lion Conservation Project does indeed raise questions:

1. Does SCI know something about the up-listing of the Lion that others don't - hence their reason for miming the 3 monkeys?

2. Is it possible that they might have access to inside and secretively guarded knowledge on this issue and as a result have purposely reneged on the disbursement of the funds to their intended purpose?

It just doesn't make sense that in one instance they lobbied valiantly in the raising of funds for a very valid project, only to submerge themselves without the trace of a bubble once a substantial amount had been secured; $1M is no small change for any project!

One also wonders how the selfless donors must be feeling, on how or where their contribution ended up - if it didn't go to the Lion cause then where and if it hasn't gone anywhere other than languish in the SCI account, it would have been better off in the pockets of those who donated to be used in other fields.

Seeing this money was not utilized should it not have been refunded or at least announce SCI's intentions of refunding its rightful owners - just for the sake of transparency of course?

So - what were the stated utilization of that money 12 months ago?

Aaron: I too would like to see some more clear answers. However I do think this topic is worthy of its own thread on here, not mixed up in this gawd-aweful mess!! That way SCI Foundation reps or whoever is responsible can be referred to a specific, concise thread. Will you repost? It is better if you start it.

Cheers mate

IMO - I sense a great reluctance by SCI or Foundation reps to engage in any debate on AR, not because they cannot defend their actions but that they will not be given a fair hearing in this place... especially when the rabid SCI whips get all frothy at the mouth.

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by fujotupu:

quote:

In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Aaron:

Why this money was never utilized towards the Lion Conservation Project does indeed raise questions:

1. Does SCI know something about the up-listing of the Lion that others don't - hence their reason for miming the 3 monkeys?

2. Is it possible that they might have access to inside and secretively guarded knowledge on this issue and as a result have purposely reneged on the disbursement of the funds to their intended purpose?

It just doesn't make sense that in one instance they lobbied valiantly in the raising of funds for a very valid project, only to submerge themselves without the trace of a bubble once a substantial amount had been secured; $1M is no small change for any project!

One also wonders how the selfless donors must be feeling, on how or where their contribution ended up - if it didn't go to the Lion cause then where and if it hasn't gone anywhere other than languish in the SCI account, it would have been better off in the pockets of those who donated to be used in other fields.

Seeing this money was not utilized should it not have been refunded or at least announce SCI's intentions of refunding its rightful owners - just for the sake of transparency of course?

So - what were the stated utilization of that money 12 months ago?

Aaron: I too would like to see some more clear answers. However I do think this topic is worthy of its own thread on here, not mixed up in this gawd-aweful mess!! That way SCI Foundation reps or whoever is responsible can be referred to a specific, concise thread. Will you repost? It is better if you start it.

Cheers mate

IMO - I sense a great reluctance by SCI or Foundation reps to engage in any debate on AR, not because they cannot defend their actions but that they will not be given a fair hearing in this place... especially when the rabid SCI whips get all frothy at the mouth.

But if your last sentence is referring to this new thread, I would totally disagree. Its not a debate, its simply a request for an accounting 12 months later of every dollar raised for Lion Conservation - at the 2013 SCI Convention, nothing more.

quote:

Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Early Sunday morning here in Denver, and I had nothing better to do as I wait for my beloved Denver Broncos to win their 3rd Super Bowl ring later today!! So, like many of you - I decided to watch the first two videos posted. Roughly 25 minutes of my life, that unfortunately I will never get back!!!!! Watching, and reading this thread - brings the following points to mind.

1. This whole SCI/WEATHERBY/HUNTING AWARDS/INNER CIRCLE/3RD LEVEL DIAMOND crap, just cause you got one more Zing Zang, from Bing Bang than did the other guy - BS as a whole, is quite frankly the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. A bunch of grown men, having a "weiner" measuring contest - over who's shot what, who's is bigger, who's is better, what law do I have to break to get it done, for some damn award they so desperately want/need. GOOD HEAVENS, REALLY??

When really what you have here, is nothing more than a desperate need for acceptance and recognition - by a bunch of guys and gals, that (other than financial success) have never accomplished anything in life, period! They are the guys that could never make the varsity football team, the guys that could never hit a baseball, the guys that constantly got picked last for the dodge ball game, and unfortunately never left with hot girl!! So now, they find themselves on some desperate search to make up for lost time - and to gain a sense of accomplishment, that has evaded them their whole lives. Why, mid-life crisis I guess???

Frankly boys, you really want to hand out an award to the "best Hunter" of the year - give it to the guides/outfitters who are the ones truly responsible for these clowns achieving success in the hunting field. Cause frankly, over the past 22 yrs - I have personally guided some pretty high-profile "clients", and there ability to do much more than play - "follow the leader", is non-existent. I lost count of how many of them shocked me, with their complete lack of hunting skill/ability/knowledge. Left to their own accord, I'm certain many of them would have killed nothing - and honestly, just getting back to the truck would have been a real accomplishment.

2. Lane Easter in an earlier post made a great point, IMO. Like it or not like it, agree with it or not agree with it - the LCTF pushed hard for DSC and SCI to adopt its "Huntable Lion Definition". The night before DSC / January 2013, I personally got on the phone/text with DSC's hierarchy, convinced them a meeting was greatly needed in the face of the potential Lion up-listing, and by the very next morning 15 of us were gathered around a table discussing the issue. Within 2 weeks, DSC had adopted the definition - with very little push-back. A real step in the right direction for Lion Conservation. Evident by all the outfitters/PH's and additional entities that have since adopted the definition as well.

Now, in the meantime - we tried to get SCI to do the same. Frankly, we could hardly get them to listen - and why you ask? Cause who the hell is Aaron Neilson, Dr. Lane Easter, Mr. George Hartley, etc?? We're not big-wigs, we're not Weatherby winners, Conklin winners, blah, blah, blah. We were nobody's, and they didn't even give us the time of day. In fact, an SCI rep did speak with me via telephone from D.C., and promised me to set a phone conference call with us, after the meeting between SCI/Dr. Craig Packer. Surprisingly enough, I never heard from her again????

Now, here we are a full year later - can anyone tell me what position/statement or definition the world's leading "CONSERVATION ORGANIZATION", SCI that is - has taken or put forth in regards to the African Lion??? To my knowledge, they did then - and still, have taken NO POSITION on the matter. Nothing, zero, notta!!!!! Really, nothing??? Not a definition of their own, not even a simple statement that says - "we support sustainable, conservation minded, conservative lion hunting".

In addition, does everyone remember SCI's call to arms at last year's annual convention - in which they say they raised $1,000,000.00 for lion conservation??? I don't doubt they raised the money, but I have gathered from some pretty reliable sources - that the vast majority of that money has yet to be put to use, in the name of Lion Conservation? Are you kidding me, a year later - and SCI has still not put every dime of that money to use in the name of conserving the Lion?? And since then, have you really even heard much about the whole issue from them? Cause as I recall, it was awfully pressing at last year's convention - but the urgency sure seemed to die a quick/quiet death immediately following the convention, and the raising of the money of course!!!!!!!

Folks, everyone knows my issue is the Lion - but that's not really my point here. My point is, are those in charge of SCI - really the conservators of Wildlife that they claim? Or is it really just the "Good Ole Boys Club", where admission to the top is based on your financial statement - that then allows you to be handheld around the world in search of the next great "Blue Speckled, long haired, Asian gazelle", that none one else has even heard of??? Cause honestly, if the Conservation/Hunting Issue that has been facing the African Lion over the past 12 months is not pressing enough for SCI to take a position, and put forth some guidelines to its membership - then what is??

I don't see SCI as the leading conservation group in the hunting world, not even close! That title belongs solely and squarely to the "Dallas Safari Club". I see SCI as I see these videos/transcripts. A bunch of grown men - acting like children, who are more concerned with their egos, awards and self-proclaimed - greatness, than doing what's right for the hunter, the wildlife, and our beloved heritage.

They should ALL be ashamed of themselves, and every single one of them should be replaced immediately!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Early Sunday morning here in Denver, and I had nothing better to do as I wait for my beloved Denver Broncos to win their 3rd Super Bowl ring later today!! QUOTE]



This sums up everything and then some.
Jeff

quote:

Originally posted by Navaluk:

How many anti hunters did SCI make today? I have been a member for a long time, and with the SCI/sheep club mentality, combined with the competitive hunting of deer, sheep and whatever, plus the BS TV programming on hunting, plus again the our approval of farm raised game hunting world wide, I'm ready to say its time to clean house on an individual basis or call it quits. We have really shamed ourselves this time.

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Matt - I am sensing something all together different on the GAME. How about a little wager for an ice cream at SCI? I'll take the Broncos you take the Seahawks. Winner gets a FREE ice cream from the loser/

quote:

IMO - I sense a great reluctance by SCI or Foundation reps to engage in any debate on AR, not because they cannot defend their actions but that they will not be given a fair hearing in this place... especially when the rabid SCI whips get all frothy at the mouth.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Navaluk:

How many anti hunters did SCI make today? I have been a member for a long time, and with the SCI/sheep club mentality, combined with the competitive hunting of deer, sheep and whatever, plus the BS TV programming on hunting, plus again the our approval of farm raised game hunting world wide, I'm ready to say its time to clean house on an individual basis or call it quits. We have really shamed ourselves this time.

'We'? What have you done exactly to make you feel ashamed?

Plus... are you, me or SCI to blame for "our approval of farm raised game hunting world wide"? I am feeling some sense of guilt from you in this post??

Has this SCI nonsense made it into anti circuits at all... already? Serious question....

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Originally posted by Navaluk:
There can be no integrity in any group unless every single member demands it of themselves and all of their associates. It's that simple.

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Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Navaluk:

How many anti hunters did SCI make today? I have been a member for a long time, and with the SCI/sheep club mentality, combined with the competitive hunting of deer, sheep and whatever, plus the BS TV programming on hunting, plus again the our approval of farm raised game hunting world wide, I'm ready to say its time to clean house on an individual basis or call it quits. We have really shamed ourselves this time.

'We'? What have you done exactly to make you feel ashamed?

Plus... are you, me or SCI to blame for "our approval of farm raised game hunting world wide"? I am feeling some sense of guilt from you in this post??

Has this SCI nonsense made it into anti circuits at all... already? Serious question....

SCI nonsense? EVERY SCI member is to blame( me included until 2-3 years ago until i realized the rot at the top of the tree and pulled out) for the ongoing debacle. yes, i feel a sense of guilt- FOR NOT PULLING THE PLUG ON MY SUPPORT SOONER! if you can't see what has happened it is a waste of my time to try to educate you.

quote:

Originally posted by Navaluk:
Don't be fooled. This BS has been widely shouted by some and whispered by others for years, decades even.

How many anti hunters did SCI make today? I have been a member for a long time, and with the SCI/sheep club mentality, combined with the competitive hunting of deer, sheep and whatever, plus the BS TV programming on hunting, plus again the our approval of farm raised game hunting world wide, I'm ready to say its time to clean house on an individual basis or call it quits. We have really shamed ourselves this time.

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Matt - I am sensing something all together different on the GAME. How about a little wager for an ice cream at SCI? I'll take the Broncos you take the Seahawks. Winner gets a FREE ice cream from the loser/

Did you actually take me up on the Bloody Mary???

If you want sports tips - just ask an Australian!!

Sorry Aaron - dry your eyes buddy!!

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Matt - A Bloody Mary it shall be if you prefer that to an ice cream treat. I will definitely check with you about EVERY sporting event outcome in the future. See ya in Vegas.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International) Life Member
Sabatti "trash" Shooter

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Matt - I am sensing something all together different on the GAME. How about a little wager for an ice cream at SCI? I'll take the Broncos you take the Seahawks. Winner gets a FREE ice cream from the loser/

Did you actually take me up on the Bloody Mary???

If you want sports tips - just ask an Australian!!

Sorry Aaron - dry your eyes buddy!!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Larry,

This is the ice cream he wants.

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Matt - A Bloody Mary it shall be if you prefer that to an ice cream treat. I will definitely check with you about EVERY sporting event outcome in the future. See ya in Vegas.

Larry Sellers
SCI(International) Life Member
Sabatti "trash" Shooter

quote:

Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Matt - I am sensing something all together different on the GAME. How about a little wager for an ice cream at SCI? I'll take the Broncos you take the Seahawks. Winner gets a FREE ice cream from the loser/

Did you actually take me up on the Bloody Mary???

If you want sports tips - just ask an Australian!!

Sorry Aaron - dry your eyes buddy!!

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Aaron, I gotta laugh. While I am trying to become active in the local chapter efforts in Houston as opposed to just complaining and grousing I can assure you that I am little more than a fart in a whirlwind at the Intergalactic level.

quote:

Originally posted by Dog Man:

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Early Sunday morning here in Denver, and I had nothing better to do as I wait for my beloved Denver Broncos to win their 3rd Super Bowl ring later today!! QUOTE]



This sums up everything and then some.
Jeff

All but this part.

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What is a Super Bowl, some kind of basketball game?

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

Actually, SCI does not need the support of its members per se, as they get most of their money from blackmailing the exhibitors.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

Actually, SCI does not need the support of its members per se, as they get most of their money from blackmailing the exhibitors.

What a statement!! Do the exhibitors buy all the donations as well as give them???


Larry - I don't really have a sweet tooth - Bloody Mary will be fine. You might want to swing by Safari Outfitters with a box of Kleenex too!!

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Originally posted by Badger Matt:

quote:

What is a Super Bowl, some kind of basketball game?

In 2014 it's a nice concert bracketed by some clumsy kids tossing around a football.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by shakari:
I reckon Fujo has it right but will add that there MIGHT (note the big MIGHT) be another part to this that so far hasn't been addressed which is IF (again, note the big IF) the guys at the top have been copping back hander hunts or other benefits, who has been giving them, why and what etc?

Then again, perhaps they were nothing more than voluntary donations given by the donator out of the goodness of his heart!

That brings to mind the PH of The Year recipients!

How many of them turned out to be bloody crooks?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Who is this years recipient?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Who is this years recipient?

Yes, please do tell!

I would like to add him to my black list of people to never hunt with.

How the hell can SCI have this knack of picking so many crooks to be their "PH of The Year" winners.

Of course, not all have, but a large number have been.

One would have expected an organization that is "First for Hunters" would have some sort of checks going on.

I am disregarding the PM I got mentioning that only those who do favors to SCI's big wigs get considered!

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Who is this years recipient?

Yes, please do tell!

I would like to add him to my black list of people to never hunt with.

How the hell can SCI have this knack of picking so many crooks to be their "PH of The Year" winners.

Of course, not all have, but a large number have been.

One would have expected an organization that is "First for Hunters" would have some sort of checks going on.

I am disregarding the PM I got mentioning that only those who do favors to SCI's big wigs get considered!

Saeed - I don't even know who has won all of the SCI - Pro Hunter of the Year Awards? But like anything, be careful painting them ALL with the same brush.

In 2006, Gary Herbert / New Zealand Mountain Hunting Ltd. was the SCI Pro-Hunter of the year. I first hunted with Gary in 2003, have sent several hunters there over the years, and I again had a great hunt with him in June 2013 as well. All of the hunts have been great, his operation is outstanding, and Gary himself is a really good guy. He definitely would be an exception to your rule - IMO of course.

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Why don't 1,000 people sign the petition and get a FULL investigation and just clean up the crap? is it that difficult.

It is not like Democrats vesus republicans and all the hate.

I bet that the SCI top brass want a way out of this situation. I bet the IRS will now have its sights on all these guys for tax evasion on all the fat they skimmed off.

If you really want SCI to do well and get back to its roots, this is what I would do!