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And little...that's why the awards are such a big deal. "Do you think maybe he's compensating for something?" - Shrek | |||
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A few questions to Matt & the other long term cheerleaders of SCI: What do you think of the corruption shown in the video(s)? Do you think it's true? If so, do you think it's acceptable? Do you think there's more to be uncovered? Does it bother you? Has it changed your opinion about SCI & particularly the upper echelons? I'm genuinely interested here. Setting aside my sense of humour for a short while (but probably not for long!  ), SCI could & should be a massive force for hunting because it has the money & expertise to achieve so very much but to me, it doesn't do half as much as it should & it's that (and the 'donation scheme) that irritates the hell out of me. | |||
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SCI is a mirror of our federal government. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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FWIW - Just to be clear. I have never defended the "uppers" at SCI. First off I don't know who they are, (don't care to) not privvy to their information or what they do or don't do. If they are found to not be on the up and up, are breaking laws and ethics violations then let the proper folks deal with it/them. Me on this little ole mountain top in New Mexico has no power to enforce ANYTHING SCI. I have never endorsed the AWARDS program beyond the point that it is there for those SCI members who want to participate. Same with the Record Keeping system within SCI. It's there, use it if you want. My "cheerleading" if you will has been focused pretty much on the Local Chapter side of SCI. As a Chapter President, the fundraising there, the projects we did and so forth. I have made my support for SCI and their efforts to protect hunters rights in DC and Worldwide. I have always supported the Convention, the exhibitors and members who attend and SCI's efforts there of raising funds. Again I have no say in where the money goes, but do see evidence of lots of it going to the efforts I support. These are areas I can have a say in and make a possible difference. What goes on in the International Leadership circles is Waaaaaaay beyond anthing I would ever have control over so it's an issue best left to those involved. Those here who "hate on" SCI, rag on SCI without being a member or who don't know the ins and outs of the group and know about the good things they do, but simply focus on the negative will always have that opinion I guess. I will continue to enjoy the "good side" of SCI and will let you others "enjoy" the bashing and ranting and raving. Have fun with your side of the issue. If there is dirt at the top, or anywhere else for that matter in SCI, I'll hope it gets settled out. Again, nothing I can do in this regards. I will continue to support SCI, with attending Conventions if/when I can, work on the local levels with fellow SCI members for the good of hunters and hunting in general. Pretty much just worry about things in my control and not worry about things that are out of my control. Just the way I do most things, by the way. Looking forward to seeing old friends and making new ones at the SCI Convention in Vegas next week. Larry Sellers SCI (International) Life Member Sabatti "trash" Shooter | |||
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Matt, I quite agree. Sounds to me like sour grapes. So many seem oddly gleeful forgetting all the good SCI has done over the years for the hunting community and conservation in general. "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Larry, thanks for that. My support will continue as well. "When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Todd: Let it be whatever the cause but it has indeed opened a can of worms. | |||
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The following is something I copied off the website. If I understand this correctly, if this petition is signed by 50 members, it will force SCI to have an impartial investigation. ----------------------------------------------- The process is simple. A demand is drafted and presented to theSCI board of directors along with the signatures of 50 members. The demand triggers an obligation on the part of SCI to complete an unbiased examination of the claims. If an unbiased examination of the claims results in a finding that current SCI leadership is not acting in the best interest of SCI, then SCI will have the opportunity to correct the situation by taking action to protect the interest of the organization and its members. | |||
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Quit HATING on the awards, I'm just one away from my Double Diamond Possums Of The World Award, a pinnacle I have been climbing for years. Dave Fulson | |||
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"impartial" ......doubtful..... Mac | |||
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Apparently like the board of inquiry.  Mike | |||
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"Opportunity" to correct? Should that not be "obligation"?
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I am done responding to you on SCI. Repeatedly call me and others 'cheerleaders' and then cry foul when you get called something elsewhere. You behave like a spoilt child. Done with your crying, clapping and selective memory. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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+1 Hopefully "bringing it into the light" will disinfect it.......am I holding my breath....no. | |||
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Matt None of my comments or questions have been at all unreasonable in any way....... Sometimes scathing, always accurate & to the point but not at all unreasonable. You refusal to answer the questions & your attempt to change the subject with such a childish response that is nothing less than an 'I'm not talking to you any more' absolutely proves you are exactly what I said when I called you a cheerleader! What's your next response going to be....... are you going to threaten to bash me up in the playground?  I'd respect an honest reply to my questions but such childish hysterics just make you appear somewhat less than adult.  | |||
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Steve: As I read your posts I did not understand your intense dislike for SCI till I read the line the donations irritate the hell out of me. From that line I can only presume you were pressured to make a donation prior to your retirement. Correct? How can you make a statement that an organization doesn't do half what it should with the money. Any facts to present or just an opinion. The organization does work in the behalf of hunters. Lets just accept that and let the system work out its problems. In spite of its skeletons the hunting community would be much worse off without SCI. | |||
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Not shocked at all. Rather pathetic really. Jeff | |||
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Interesting. I see your approach is the same regardless of the subject or the thread. Simply ask a bunch of questions and then sit back like you are really facilitating the debate. Here are some questions for you: 1. What have you ever done to improve SCI? 2. What have you ever done to improve PHASA? 3. Are you capable of having an intelligent conversation, without just posing questions? 4. Do you have answers or positions on any of your own questions? 5. When folks refuse to answer your questions, do you always refer to them as childish, boorish or in some other derogatory manner? 6. Do you feel that someone that makes no positive personal contribution to improve a situation is entitled to simply be critical? 7. Do you like answering questions as much as you like asking questions? 8. How many angels can dance on the head on the head of a pin? 9. What is your favorite issue to ask questions about and not contribute to? 10. Do you ever feel guilty or remorseful for not doing anything to improve a situation but to just criticize the situation? That's a start. Answer those and then I will have some more. Mike | |||
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I don't hate SCI or individual members at all but I believe the 'donations scheme' is immensely unfair & a big risk to the hunting industry. No. You're not correct about my being pressured to donate. I flatly refused to play that game so chose not to exhibit at the SCI conventions because I felt it was blackmail/extortion & I have detested blackmail/extortion/bullying etc all my life. If you look at the money they take from the industry etc & at that monument to bad taste they call SCI HQ, you soon see the organisation must be awash with money & yet on a percentage basis, they appear to plough very little back & that's what I mean when I say they could be so much more of a force for hunting than they are. I also detest corruption such as happened for so many years with the OoA thing so that also doesn't exactly make me think fondly of SCI. AS for inner circle of grand candle twisters & banana sharpeners award system....... It's not my cup of tea but if they want to do it, that's fine........until it becomes corrupt as it so apparently has done. I don't want to see SCI shut down but would like to see it reformed so it can operate fairly, openly & honestly & if that ever happened, I might even consider re-joining them at some point but at the moment, I wouldn't touch 'em with a 6 foot barge pole & will continue to point out what's wrong with the organisation at every opportunity.  | |||
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As I said elsewhere: Finding fault with SCI is like slapping a drugged elephant on the arse with a cricket bat...... it's as easy as pie. Which is why you cheerleaders lose the argument every time it comes up!  Let's not forget that "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" (Edmund Burke (I believe)) | |||
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Great, we are off to a good start. 1. Is simply paying your dues and being a member of an organization the most meaningful contribution someone serious about improving an organization can make? 2. What are a "variety of contributions in a variety of ways"? Sorry, just seems a little vague. 3. What have you personally done to improve the operation of or rectify the faults you perceive to exist in SCI other than bloviate? 4. If right is right and wrong is wrong, is commercial hunting in a national park wrong? 5. Do you feel that each person has a responsibility to make a positive contribution to a situation that they feel is wrong or is it simply enough to sit in the bleachers and boo? 6. If PHASA truly wanted to address the issue of its members hunting in national parks in Zim, do you feel that PHASA could actually figure out a way to do that or would they sit around stumped with their finger up their arse? 7. What are the three things you would do to improve SCI and what have you done to advance those three objectives? Mike | |||
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Mike Now I'll ask you the questions I asked previously which are: What do you think of the corruption shown in the video(s)? Do you think it's true? If so, do you think it's acceptable? Do you think there's more to be uncovered? Does it bother you? Has it changed your opinion about SCI & particularly the upper echelons? Let's see if YOU have the same courage as I did when I answered YOUR questions. I suspect you won't though! | |||
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Easy: Abandon the 'donation scheme', change the convention pricing policy, clear out the upper echlon crooks that are involved in this shit & start running the corporation so it does as much good for hunting as possible. They need to get back to the principle of 1st for hunters..... OK. I overran the 3 points you asked for! I ask you yet again: Mike Now I'll ask you the questions I asked previously which are: What do you think of the corruption shown in the video(s)? Do you think it's true? If so, do you think it's acceptable? Do you think there's more to be uncovered? Does it bother you? Has it changed your opinion about SCI & particularly the upper echelons? Let's see if YOU have the same courage as I did when I answered YOUR questions. I suspect you won't though! | |||
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I joined SCI in 1980 or 81 after my first trip over to Africa. Several years later I was asked to help form a chapter and participate which I was happy to do. Before the Interweb, this was the best way to help folks achieve their dreams and be prepared for it. Within a year or two, the outfitters and/or their agents started frequenting meetings and marketing directly to members. Shortly thereafter, chapter leaders were getting discounts and freebies from the outfitters. I raised concerns that this was missing the point, but no one else seemed to care. That was when I stopped participating in SCI. Some members and board members have lost sight of what SCI was supposed to be about and are only interested in deals, bright lights, and their name in a meaningless record book. The lengths to which they go in their misguided mission is nothing short of amazing, ridiculous, and sad simultaneously. That malfeasance, abuses, and childish bickering is present within SCI today is of no surprise. The drama is systemic and is not going to be reformed or end. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Steve, my views on the issues at the SCI National/International/Inter-Galactic level have been well stated previously. Perhaps you could use some of your copious spare time to find those posts and read them. I do not intend to restate my views for your entertainment here other than to say that I have been outspoken in saying that the leadership has completely lost touch with the membership. Here is what makes you and I different though. Rather than simply bloviate and kibitz from the sidelines having virtually no impact on anything and largely just wasting everyone's time, I decided to get involved with SCI locally. I joined the board last year and chaired one of the committees. I helped organize local events to feed the homeless and educate our young hunters. I have also participated in board discussions to help arm our local president for his participation in the national/international/inter-galactic meetings on issues of concern to members, like leadership elitism. It may not be much, but it is a start and I have put my time and energies where my mouth is. You see, making a difference means getting involved. Simply paying a membership fee and then joining the peanut gallery on AR is not going to result in any meaningful change. But you should focus on where you can maximize the use of your talents. Typing away on a internet blog should make you feel right at home. On the other hand, I have chosen to get involved and work from the inside to help on local chapter efforts and try to effectuate change at a broader level. You see, from my perspective if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Mike | |||
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Mike So although I've extensively answered your questions, you, like Matt & the other cheerleaders still lack the backbone to answer any of mine. Sadly, I'm not in the least surprised! | |||
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"[T]he other cheerleaders" . . . you are sort of like a Democrat, you think that simply saying something makes it so. Do your homework if you want to know whether or not I am an SCI "cheerleader". I feel like I have wasted a good part of a day in my life going back and forth you. I now realize that it is like talking to a post; so more than a little embarrassed that it took me this long to come to that realization, I will nevertheless stop. Please proceed with further inane bloviating . . . Mike | |||
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i would like to sign it but i cancelled my membership years ago because of the obvious ongoing malfeasance. apparently only members can sign it- and rightly so... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Recovering from a bit of minor work, I occupied myself by reading the entire transcript of Rudolf/Whipple. In conclusion, I would like to state for the record: What a bunch of self absorbed assholes. All of them. Every name mentioned. That is all. Jeff | |||
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Should be interesting next week in Vegas.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Yep. No doubt!  | |||
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+1 my friend. While I am sympathetic with the good doctor's issue, I found him to be a little off putting right at the beginning when he wanted all of his awards restored. I never heard of any of this before today. Therefore I have to wonder just how much his reputation was damaged. If this were to happen to me (of course, I have no awards), I sure as hell would not spend as much money as he is spending just to get even. Blacktailer, you are correct. I have a friend on the board of SCI. I e mailed his this afternoon. I can't wait to get his response. | |||
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I am surprised no one has confirmed signing the petition! I am equally surprised that not many have condemned the corruption despite evidence. Now if it was Obama, you can be assured that there would have been a huge outrage! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I'm sorry. Labeling everyone involved as assholes usually passes for condemnation where I am from. Jeff | |||
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No winners in this deal Embarrassing… I think I know who the Romanian girl is…Larry need to unfriend her on Facebook before this shit really hits the fan lol. And The Last of the Mohicans song were a bit much.. | |||
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I thought it was against a federal law to record the audio of a conversation without the knowledge of the other person. | |||
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No, depends on state law. Lots of conversations take place on recorded lines where one party consents to the recording. Mike | |||
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If you go to the reform SCI website, there is an explanation there of why it stood in California. I'm not sure how that plays on the Federal level however. | |||
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