After watching this video I can't imagine an easier hunt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlvSLZN03EY

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Originally posted by Lhook7:
After watching this video I can't imagine an easier hunt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlvSLZN03EY

What a joke.

That is just such perfect ammo for the Antis. Why do people put this shit on the Internet?

Mark

Guess if it were me I would have edited out the truck starting up at the end, geez.

Let us hope the client was restricted to a wheelchair for this event...

Bad

Yep, old Bossy is scratching his chin on the tree waiting for them to start dumping cattle cubes from the back of the truck when some douche nozzle, who is delusional enough to take on the screen name Pondoro on YouTube, shoots him from the truck.

Beats the hell out of miles and days of tracking the onerous bastards...

Jeff

Certainly appears to remove the dangerous from dangerous game hunting. I would agree with D R Hunter’s comment…Let us hope the client was restricted to a wheelchair for this event (and perhaps add: or suffers from some other physical disability).

Shawn

So if indeed the guy was in a wheelchair would that please the AR Court?

Are we angry bc it was shot off a truck?

Or because it's obviously tame livestock?

Or bc the hunter didn't let him choose how he would die? (couldn't resist, I've got nothing against Mark! lol)

The other videos by pondoro on youtube has a woman shooting a sable off a truck. No one looked disabled.

This video states it was killed in RSA. My take is nothing more than the person hunting a dangerous game animal from a truck (where allowed), and if not disabled, he/she did not get the opportunity to truly enjoy dangerous game hunting just dangerous game shooting. If that is what they wanted then they are probably very happy I suppose.

What, couldn't find one inside a locked cage? Pretty disgusting in my opinion.

Fellas:
It never ceases to amaze me. Videos like this pass with little or no notice yet post a video of Mark Sullivan on a fair chase hunt on foot and the world seems to come to an end.

If all goes to plan I hope to have a hunt report featuring Mark and myself and a couple of other gents in 2015. If any of you double men want to join us, PM me.
Cheers, my mates.
Cal

Saeed et al the PTB's of AccurateReloading.

Is it possible to set up a committee of experts from this site that ALL videos/photos must be sent to for approval before being posted to the site?

Only missing the rope "Ferdinand" was tied with to that tree before the film starts. Canned "PH" dialog as well, like reading gun rags hunting stories written from formulae. The cows are whoever thinks they are actually hunting Nyati. The non-reactive bulls in the background say it all.

No matter how bad this obviously was, what is the difference between this and paying someone to capture it for you so you can have a SCI Top 10 trophies to brag about?

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Originally posted by Oryxhunter1983:
So if indeed the guy was in a wheelchair would that please the AR Court?

Are we angry bc it was shot off a truck?

Or because it's obviously tame livestock?

Or bc the hunter didn't let him choose how he would die? (couldn't resist, I've got nothing against Mark! lol)

I wouldn't know about the AR Court, but nothing about the video interests or impresses me.

Hunting, (DG or otherwise,) for me means decoying wary ducks way closer than shooting range, sneaking over a knoll on an old savy buck and working the dog around and thru the thick cover on running roosters. Hunting is floating in the canoe past big bull elk that freeze in the hopes you'll just pass by without touching them and calling big bull moose into half the distance needed for the bow. Hunting is the trackers seeing a group of impala or zebra heading your way, the trackers avert their faces and freeze as the rest of you do and letting the animals walk thru the group before the figure something is up, blow and dash away. Hunting is butt scooting in on Dugga Boys.

I guess I don't mind seeing the video but I'm glad I didn't have to see it with any of the participants, I'd be very uncomfortable. Theres one of two ways to handle it. Lie and express great adoration, (very uncomfortable for me,) or tell the truth and say its just a disgusting shoot of phony cattle and then get thrown out of the room, also uncomfortable in some cases very, depending on how you land.

This is so disgusting. Obviously this Buff was as tame as cattle and it was shot from a vehicle. A while ago a video was doing the rounds of a bow hunter shooting a Lion from the back of a vehicle.

I have seen with my own eyes on a farm how tame Buff can get. This person had a small enclosure , 20ha, where they kept their Buffalo breeding group. The owners son stops at the Buffalo get out of the vehicle walk up to them talking to them. He was not 10 meters from them. In a few years this Buffalo will be offered to be hunted. One can hardly call this DG hunting

Most of us in RSA are working our backsides off to uphold the SA hunting industry and to hunt in an ethical way, then you get a few greedy arseholes that undo our hard work with unethical hunting and they have the cheek to post it the internet.

I guess it can happen everywhere and it could have happened 40 years ago as well, but noboddy knew about it. With all the modern technology news travels a lot faster and we are better informed.

This is sickening

This is not hunting and it should be called what it is(all the "if it's legal, it's OK" guys can jump in the lake...).

This garbage is the opposite of hunting.

That is not hunting. I can't believe people spend money on that shit.

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Originally posted by JBrown:
This is not hunting and it should be called what it is(all the "if it's legal, it's OK" guys can jump in the lake...).

This garbage is the opposite of hunting.

Jason
This is an illegal hunt.

Hunting from a vehicle and /or in an enclosure smaller than 400 ha.
I'm sure if PHASA gets a hold of this they will start digging.People could get prosecuted and trophies confiscated.

PHASA is on a big public relations drive to try and change the publics perception on hunting.they have urged all members to be carefully of what they post.

This is obviously not a legal hunt and is probably not a registered outfitter, but JoSoap public doesn't know that

expensive heifer

Mike

The results of hunts like this one and others very similar, often end up on AR hunt reports with the heartiest of congratulations being showered on the worthy hunter.

In this particular case would it have made any difference if the shooter had alighted and popped it a few steps from the vehicle to create a more "sporting effect"?

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Originally posted by leopards valley safaris:

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Originally posted by JBrown:
This is not hunting and it should be called what it is(all the "if it's legal, it's OK" guys can jump in the lake...).

This garbage is the opposite of hunting.

Jason
This is an illegal hunt.

Hunting from a vehicle and /or in an enclosure smaller than 400 ha.
I'm sure if PHASA gets a hold of this they will start digging.People could get prosecuted and trophies confiscated.

PHASA is on a big public relations drive to try and change the publics perception on hunting.they have urged all members to be carefully of what they post.

This is obviously not a legal hunt and is probably not a registered outfitter, but JoSoap public doesn't know that

Dave I agree with you, this is the type of thing that have a negative effect on our country's reputation. I did forward a link to Adri.

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Most of us in RSA are working our backsides off to uphold the SA hunting industry and to hunt in an ethical way, then you get a few greedy arseholes that undo our hard work with unethical hunting and they have the cheek to post it the internet.

What he said.

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Originally posted by retreever:
expensive heifer

Mike

Biggest penis I've ever seen on a heifer

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Originally posted by Pieter Kriel:

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Originally posted by retreever:
expensive heifer

Mike

Biggest penis I've ever seen on a heifer

Hermaphrodite

Jeez...

I spent eight days dragging ass ten or twelve miles (all uphill) every day in 108-120 degree heat and nonstop rain in Zim in December of 2008 before I even got a shot at a Cape Buffalo; and I could have done this instead?

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Originally posted by Jaco Human:
Dave I agree with you, this is the type of thing that have a negative effect on our country's reputation. I did forward a link to Adri.

Thx Jaco
I wanted to bring it up at the PHASA AGM this coming week.maybe I'll see you there

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Jeez...

I spent eight days dragging ass ten or twelve miles (all uphill) every day in 108-120 degree heat and nonstop rain in Zim in December of 2008 before I even got a shot at a Cape Buffalo; and I could have done this instead?

Q./ Would you been disappointed if it only took you 4days on flat ground at 100deg temp. and no rain?....

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Hunting, (DG or otherwise,) for me means decoying wary ducks way closer than shooting range, sneaking over a knoll on an old savy buck and working the dog around and thru the thick cover on running roosters. Hunting is floating in the canoe past big bull elk that freeze in the hopes you'll just pass by without touching them and calling big bull moose into half the distance needed for the bow. Hunting is the trackers seeing a group of impala or zebra heading your way, the trackers avert their faces and freeze as the rest of you do and letting the animals walk thru the group before the figure something is up, blow and dash away. Hunting is butt scooting in on Dugga Boys.

Scott,

I dont have an issue with hunting game that frequents the shore area, and taking the shot from a canoe/watercraft.
Its a fun [and ingenious] way to hunt pigs in the tropics, rather than trying to stalk them over noisy dry leaves etc.

But what is different about shooting game from a another form of man made transport, like a motor vehicle..?
IF I rested my rifle over my mountain bike or motorbike frame, to take game, is that still hunting?

Do I have to walk a minimum yardage away from my mountain bike,motorbike, snowmobile, to make it 'ethical & sporting hunting'
and not just 'shooting'?

and IF I put a silent electric motor on my canoe, rather than just using a paddle,..am I being unfair,unsporting or cheating?

IS:
Well hell man, make another trip then!
George

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Originally posted by leopards valley safaris:

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Originally posted by Jaco Human:
Dave I agree with you, this is the type of thing that have a negative effect on our country's reputation. I did forward a link to Adri.

Thx Jaco
I wanted to bring it up at the PHASA AGM this coming week.maybe I'll see you there

I will not be able to attend, I have another commitment, hopefully I will be there next year.

I think it is an good idea to bring it up at the convention. I am getting more and more convinced that all outfitters and ph's must belong to a profesional body to be active in the hunting industry. Something must also be done to the unscrupulous breeders that bend every rule in the book. We neeed to govern ourselves internally and get rid af all the rotten apples. I welcome the nationwide registration of outfitters and ph's. That is a step in the right direction to rid our industry from the bad apples.

THIS WAS A TAME BUFFALO BULL, However what the hell is the difference between shooting that bull or a pen raised NEW ZEELAND STAG, PEN RAISED TEXAS WHITE TAIL(that comes to the feeder exactly at the time it goes of), PEN RAISED ELK IN COLORADO(that have to have a tattoo in his ear and was scored before his release!!). Why are we always fighting with our self we should stick together. If it was A legal hunt with the correct paper work there is nothing PHASA, OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY ONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.I don't know the facts of this hunt but this bull could have been causing problems as A lot of these tame once some times do and needed to be shot, Hell A can remember not to long AGO Saeed posting A photo of A black impala that they had to shoot since it was causing A problem at his place Now why they posted in on the Net I don't know.

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Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
THIS WAS A TAME BUFFALO BULL, However what the hell is the difference between shooting that bull or a pen raised NEW ZEELAND STAG, PEN RAISED TEXAS WHITE TAIL(that comes to the feeder exactly at the time it goes of), PEN RAISED ELK IN COLORADO(that have to have a tattoo in his ear and was scored before his release!!). Why are we always fighting with our self we should stick together. If it was A legal hunt with the correct paper work there is nothing PHASA, OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY ONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.I don't know the facts of this hunt but this bull could have been causing problems as A lot of these tame once some times do and needed to be shot, Hell A can remember not to long AGO Saeed posting A photo of A black impala that they had to shoot since it was causing A problem at his place Now why they posted in on the Net I don't know.

It is one thing shooting a problem animal and another thing to make a video of it and place it on youtube. I is very negative to the hunting fraternity's reputation. We are feeding the greenies if we accept this type of practises. Why shoot it from a truck, it is as unethical as can be.

Jaco Agree 100% it should not be on the internet, however as I said if it was legal there is nothing anybody can do about it that was my point I was trying to make, and 1000s of animals all over the world get shot from the back of A hunting car.

It's a disgusting travesty of hunting and why anyone would choose to put such BS on Youtube for the world to see simply beggars belief but quite honestly, it's not the only case of it's kind out there. The world and his dog are doing equally ridiculous things and then spending years bragging about the trophies in their trophy rooms.

Just look at the number of dodgy lion hunts shoots available on you tube and then look even closer to home and see the hunt reports here where guys actually get congratulated on shooting animals that are obviously pen bred and freshly released.

(IMO) one of the major problems is that so many people are collectors rather than hunters nowadays and their primary purpose is to furnish a trophy room rather than enrich their life experiences and memories by proper hunting.

Equally to blame are those PHs, outfitters & agents who pamper to these people and supply the ever increasing demand.

Sher Jung once wrote:

"The jungle is the place to test one’s mettle and one’s skill. It is a place for personal and individual adventure. To tackle the adversary on the ground of it’s own choosing and to outwit it in it’s own game of woodcraft is the real joy and thrill of hunting. Always remember that hunting is not just killing animals, it is much more than killing; Killing is the least important part of it".

Sadly many people have either forgotten that or simply don't care about it nowadays.

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Originally posted by Jaco Human:

It is one thing shooting a problem animal and another thing to make a video of it and place it on youtube. I is very negative to the hunting fraternity's reputation.
We are feeding the greenies if we accept this type of practises. Why shoot it from a truck, it is as unethical as can be.

Old male Rhinocerous can be a problem animal, and SCI plan to auction the hunt of such an old Rhino,
Would it be proper to release a video of that hunt?
IF so, people here who don't like videos of problem animals being shot, then being posted for public to view,
should inform SCI right now!, rather than complain about it after the fact.
Then again, who has the right to tell someone who pays 1 million to shoot an old Rhino, that they cannot share the experience with the world?

If you or any of us, are not paying for anothers persons hunt, then it is entirely that other persons business whether they post their hunt
on Utube or not. It has nothing to do with whether anyone else likes/or dislikes their hunting/shooting technique.

Trax

(IMO) You're comparing apples to oranges.

The black rhino in question is an old animal that's past breeding age and fighting/damaging younger bulls whereas that buffalo appears to be a mature but viable animal that even if it were causing trouble could easily be darted (hell, you could have slapped it on the arse!) and translocated to an area where it wouldn't have caused problems.

As for you tube. I'd happily see all hunting videos banned from such sites. Why should anyone feel the need to brag to people, least of all people who they don't know & mostly won't understand & will criticise & use it as a tool to damage hunting.