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Thank you Steve! And we have SCI to thank for this! What can one do to get into all those exclusive circles? Shoot any animal, by hook or by crook! | |||
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Shak, SO you are saying the antis or some zealot greenies, will be happy with it being on tube? ...simply because its a 'special kind' of problem animal? MY understanding is they don't like seeing any animal shot, regardless of the circumstance. | |||
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Saeed I'd also be interested to know if SCI will be donating 100% of the money from the rhino auction or if they'll keep a commission...... I'd like to think the won't keep a commission but am unsure if that'll happen. Trax No. That isn't what I'm saying at all. My point is ANY hunting you tube video is likely to damage our sport simply because the antis are a bunch of misinformed bastards out to pursue their own private agenda & the general public so damn stupid & so divorced from reality , they'll believe anything the antis tell them. | |||
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Shak, IF we should not put hunting videos on Utube to please the zealot type greenies, then what next? DO I have to also refrain from showing videos of gas guzzling super cars on Utube, because it will offend anti-Greenhouse Effect zealots? ...Anything else [thats legal] I also should not post on Utube ,incase it offends someone? Just so you know, I support native land rights for gay killer whales. | |||
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I'm not suggesting people shouldn't put them on you tube to satisfy the anti hunters, I'm suggesting they don't do it for the reason of protecting our sport so the the next generation that come after us can continue to enjoy it. It's also one of the reasons we should behave in an ethical manner and not take part in unethical hunting practices such as dodgy lions and the buff shoot posted by the O/P. | |||
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Often? You so sure? | |||
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Sometimes might been a better word to use but there's one there right now. | |||
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If you offer a problem animal to be hunted then at least do it in an ethical way when you post it on youtube. By posting this type of footage we are shooting ourseves in the foot. Why shoot an animal from the back of a vehicle and then brag about the hunt (yes it usually happens)what is the thrill one gets out of that. We feed the anti's with this unethical killing of animals, it was not hunting, no skills at all excepty he needed to Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Shak, I would have more respect for that shooter in the cape Buff video of the O/P, if he simply waited to effectively brain him at that close distance, ..Than I would for inept blowhards that hunt with rifles they cannot shoot properly from the ground, needing the PH to do most of the work for them, then they all pat themselves on the back, followed by the client proudly putting themselves in the trophy record book. 'Ethical' or 'genuine' ...can mean different things to different people. | |||
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Man you have a problem with something you obviously have not done. Better get some experience before shooting off with all this jealousy. "tall poppy syndrome" a typical Aus trait, eg, "that's not hard, should of head shot him with a 308"  | |||
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I don't know how many buffalo you've shot but if you take another look at the video you'll see at least one bloody good reason why a brain shot is problematical on that animal. It's called horns and the first shot placement wasn't particularly bad either but that's not the point. The point is the animal was so habituated, you could have marched up to it with a brass band playing the 1812 Overture and slapped it on the arse with a cricket bat and that this habituated animal was shot from the truck. Personally, the hunters I have the most respect for are those that are willing to hunt truly wild animals in a true wilderness area, work helluva hard and to the best of their ability, shoot well if and when the time comes & not complain about the injustices of the world if they don't get everything they want. On the other hand, I have no respect whatsoever for those who hunt with their cheque books and demand and expect a supermarket shopping style hunt where they get everything they want as easily as possible no matter how unethical the experience. Hunting (IMO) should be as Sher Jung wrote as per my earlier post. | |||
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+1  Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Guys once again this proof my point once again we are fighting among our self's! Steve I agree about the wild and free hunts unfortunately not everyone can do it, afford it or simply just don't want to do it, lets not pass judgement so fast. If that guy wants to shoot it from A truck so be it. Once again 1000s of animals get shot from trucks and most people hunt(shoot) for the fun not to be respect by someone. I am not picking A fight mate we should all unite against the antis!! And I know I video like this don't help but let me tell you I does not matter if it was shot in A million acres the antis will still find something to bitch about!! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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What is the law in South African provinces in shooting game animals from vehicles? Is there such law? Dont mind Trax - he is just a troll. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt it depends on each province far as I know is it is legal in the Limpopo province. Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Phil, I didn't for a moment think you were picking a fight mate so no worries there. As I see it, some actions, sometimes might be legal but that doesn't make them right & this buffalo & the dodgy lion shoots I mentioned earlier are fine examples of that. It simply isn't hunting & it sure as hell ain't right in my eyes & what's more, it never will be & I'm not afraid to express that opinion.  I don't have a problem with hunting behind wire such as in RSA but I'm sure you know as well as I do that this buffalo didn't display the normal behaviour of most animals in such environments. That animal was deeply habituated to people & vehicles & to shoot it in such a manner is most certainly not the act of an ethical hunter or an ethical PH. Matt If you have the patience to read through it, you'll find the various provincial game acts on the PHASA website. | |||
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I just stopped by to read this string and not much to my surprise SCI is being gored once more. If someone posted on here about shop lifting in Joberg someone would find a way to bring SCI into the conversation.  | |||
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DOJ I wasn't having a pop at SCI & if it appeared that way then I apologise. It was a perfectly valid comment about whether they'll be taking a commission or not. If they're not, I'll be happy to praise them but if they are, then & only then, will I criticise them. | |||
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Just an observation here nothing more. The more important aspect of this whole discussion really should not devolve into a fight over personal ethics/choices/legalities. Just my opinion and that is all it is, one mans opinion, but I feel the real issue is educating "Hunters" as to the importance of the content of videos/photos that they submit to YouTube/FaceBook or sites like AR, and how that content portrays hunters/hunting. Creative editing of videos/photos, and with the videos that should include any commentary by the participants can result in a more positive image. The big thing that keeps popping up in these type discussions revolves around giving anti hunters ammunition in reality every time any of us buy a hunting license, we have given the antis ammunition. The main concern in my opinion is to stop alienating each other and to try and prevent alienating the Non-Hunting public, people that don't hunt but have nothing against those that do. The in-fighting/name calling/finger pointing that takes place in these type discussions, can and does do just about as much damage to the public image of hunters as videos like this one does. Again this is all one persons opinion. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Steve, That comment was about me mentioning SCI making it the holy grail for a hunter to be in one of those silly "circle"  I would like to be as far away from those silly circles as I can. I am not a silly circles man  | |||
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Saeed, if you want to be away from those "silly circles" forget about them and not mention them at every turn in the road.   | |||
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Sorry guys.... I thought Ed was upset because I'd made a comment about SCI.  | |||
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Word on the street is that JFK's assassination was ordered by SCI...  ... that's what I heard....A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Does SCI have an Inner Circle for assassinating JFK? If so, I would not be surprised of what you have mentioned | |||
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You have to admit---at least the shooter made 2 good shots on the buff? | |||
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More often than not? | |||
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Steve: The word 'Commission' might sound derogatory to the SCI "supporters" - recouping of expenses for organizing the auction might fare better.  | |||
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You can do that???? Why have I wasted so much shoe leather and pain over the years? Jeff | |||
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More people to join Obama on Saeed's island or was it Antartika Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Saeed - you are a master at sweeping generalisations! If it happened once - it must happen all the time!!A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Steve, I agree with your statement here 100%. I'll also add that I've hunted buffalo behind the wire a couple of times in RSA, but on each occasion, the area was very large; smallest was 11,000 acres IIRC. Also, those buff KNEW they were being hunted and were extremely wary giving my son and I a proper hunt. Not the same as chasing them in the open wilds by any stretch, but still, a hunt. As you pointed out, the buff in this video was basically tame and offered nothing in terms of a challenge of one's hunting skills. That's the offensive part of this content IMO. But I have to respectfully disagree with you on restricting the posting of ALL hunting videos on YouTube. Certainly, clips such as this will be viewed as offensive by the the majority, both hunters and anti's alike. As Randall (Crazyhorse) pointed out, it is possible to present hunting in a more positive light through video. It's a slippery slope as to what is or is not acceptable. A judgement call that not all will agree on, but it's like the infamous description of pornography in that one may not be able to accurately define it, but most know it when they see it. This was pornography! In the same way the tastefully done sex scene was portrayed in the movie Out of Africa as compared to a low budget XXX film, all video portrayals of hunting are not equal and the bad examples shouldn't necessarily prohibit the good. A great example, IMO, would be the Tracks Across Africa television show. They portray true hunting for what it is and each episode has a "conservation" message. I wouldn't want the posting of this particular video clip of a tame buff being shot from the back of a truck, or others like it, to preclude a show such as Tracks from being produced. | |||
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Seeing the video I can't help but be reminded of the ONE Buffalo I have killed. It was in Zimbabwe in the Gwayii. We had been hunting several days,staying at Halfway House. If the actual kill had been Videoed it would look remarkably like this one except the Buffalo was not Scratching it self and we didn't have a truck close by. The country looks very much like what we were hunting and the Buffalo was in a herd that was peacefully grazing. I took one shot at about 40 yards and the Buffalo literally reared up on it's hind legs and then went completely over on it's back and simply died with all four feet sticking straight up in the air. What it doesn't show is the fact we started about daylight and this was late in the afternoon and we had been tracking a herd all day. Actually taking a shot and completely missing and feeling we would never find the herd again when a tracker spotted a flock of oxpeckers and said they were going to the herd so we actually followed them. I'm convinced that buffalo follow a path like the boy in the Sunday comics did or as my Dad used to say of a goose, 'everytime he blinks his eye he wakes up in a new world' . After following them all day we found them within 1/2 mile of where we started. The only point is after seeing the video I have absolutely no point of reference other than the Buffalo didn't die instantly. I was so totally disappointed in my one Buffalo that I never hunted them again and have no real desire to. Since I have no great experience hunting Africa anywhere but Zimbabwe I don't have the wealth of knowledge most on here obviously do about how animals are hunted in other areas and since I know none of the people in the video I can't make the pronouncments most on here are able to make. It also reinforces my views about SCI bashing as I don't really think this was an SCI sponsored hunt, but it well could have been since I really don't know and they are such a bad group. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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It will probably beat us out for the ' Hunt Of The Year" at the Ootdoor Channel Golden Moose Awards. Last year DRIVEN TV got the hunt of the year after cutie arrowed a sleepy lion surrounded by a possee Wyatt Earp would have been proud to round up. Dave Fulson | |||
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Well, the antis don't like any hunting at all, so I personally could not care less what they think. But, there are so many clips on youtube that are very annoying to us as hunters. Actually, this buffalo clip is rather tame in comparison to some of horrible clips shown. | |||
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Saeed: Come on now, you have already shown us that you are a man! | |||
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Todd I've never seen TAA (Not available either in RSA or Portugal) so can't comment on it but my point is the you tube videos are always short clips of film that show the kill & not much else & it's them that I object to because pretty much all non hunters will misunderstand them....... When the clips are of unethical acts such as the one being discussed here, I think it's 1000 times worse. I'm not necessarily against all commercially operated hunting videos & agree they get a lot better if they show how tough the hunt was & explain the conservation message. The best ones I've personally seen are the Boddington ones & the worst ones are those that show all the idiot high fiving & immature cheerleader squealing when they so appallingly celebrate the kill. There might very occasionally be a valid time & place for that but that time & place isn't on a short you tube video..... much better (to me at least) to celebrate the hunt in a dignified manner as Bodd does. | |||
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Steve, I don't think we are too far apart on this. The "Boddington" DVDs that you describe were produced by the same folks (Dave Fulson and partners) as the Tracks Across Africa series, and in the same manner and vein. And that was my point in that those productions show hunting in a positive manner, at least for those who are not rabid anti's, in which case any presentation of hunting will be seen negatively and as Saeed stated, who cares about those types. Of the video's I've posted, with the exception of the first tuskless clip (from which I've learned a bit going forward), I've tried to put context to the clip other than just the shooting scenes. You'll never see me doing the "high five", yelling, "hooping and hollering" either. As a hunter, I enjoy watching a tastefully done video or show of other's hunts. I post mine as well in hopes that others will enjoy them. They are intended to let us all enjoy the hunts vicariously between the times we are able to go afield ourselves. At least, that's what I get out of other's vids and hopefully some get the same from mine. Again, where one draws the line as to what is or is not acceptable for public consumption, is a bit of a slippery slope toward censorship but regarding anyone interested in posting hunting videos, rather than discouraging the posting of ANY clips at all, I would rather encourage the producers to stay away from the "blood lust" factor, ensure context is included, and tell the story of the hunt instead of just depicting the kill event. | |||
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