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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Problem is if she is good film maker/propaganda expert she is going to make something like "Blackfish". That and social media could get a lot of uniformed do gooders all behind banning us import of elephant trophies.

Its irrelevant to Buzz's personal and family safety but very relevant to business and conservation side of elephant hunting. Asian ivory demand and western do gooders could be the perfect storm for Africa's elephants.

Saeed/Don thanks for making this website non searchable by google and other search engines.

I am more and more reaching the view point stated by Steve Ahrenberg (fight club analogy) - elephant and lion (maybe even leopard) hunting has reached a point of being socially unacceptable behavior. Its perfectly legal in jurisdictions where it is conducted, its has economic and conservation benefits. But it is very difficult to rationally argue with some of these anti people on the merits of elephant (even lion) hunting. Its a tough public relation sell in favor of hunting. Much easier to sell the anti-hunting story to the general public.

Mike

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Originally posted by Marty:
I'm getting a taste after posting the cow charge video to YouTube. Aren't these the same folks that tout diversity and tolerance?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Problem is if she is good film maker/propaganda expert she is going to make something like "Blackfish". That and social media could get a lot of uniformed do gooders all behind banning us import of elephant trophies.

Its irrelevant to Buzz's personal and family safety but very relevant to business and conservation side of elephant hunting. Asian ivory demand and western do gooders could be the perfect storm for Africa's elephants.

Saeed/Don thanks for making this website non searchable by google and other search engines.

I am more and more reaching the view point stated by Steve Ahrenberg (fight club analogy) - elephant and lion (maybe even leopard) hunting has reached a point of being socially unacceptable behavior. Its perfectly legal in jurisdictions where it is conducted, its has economic and conservation benefits. But it is very difficult to rationally argue with some of these anti people on the merits of elephant (even lion) hunting. Its a tough public relation sell in favor of hunting. Much easier to sell the anti-hunting story to the general public.

Mike

Kind of like why we don't slaughter horses in US anymore. Even though there are MANY unwanted horses and a market for their meat.

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Originally posted by tankhunter:
I think hunters could do themselves all a BIG favour by NOT posting hunting videos on You Tube ,you will Never convert any of these people to sustainable hunting ,Never Ever !!! alot of these people, are your Pure bred Lefty type, and grew up in the city ,they are all Pro Abortion ,Pro Gay ,etc i never tell anyone at work, i like or go hunting .Women like this Phylis thing, are always the same, they have no qualms about cheating ,lying ,thieving from their fellow man [especially men]but always feel sorry for animals ,and cant comprehend the reality that one day they will die .The animosity towards hunting seems to be growing more and more every day, and is not helped by people putting hunting trips on You Tube ,and videos like pig hunting by Yobbo types having their dogs savaging pigs etc

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
Having just returned form an ele hunt and checking emails I thought I would let you know what we deal with- This is one of many!!!!

Buzz,

You are a coward. Why not stand in front of a buffalo or an elephant without your gun, big man?

You are selfish and out of touch with the disaster facing Africa and your business.
First, despite what you put on your pathetic website, hunting elephants is not "YOUR PRIVILEGE" Please change your business to PROMOTE ECO-TOURISM...Africa does not have enough elephants and wildlife to sustain your slaughter. Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR . You must have been that boy nobody liked in school. Now you know why you are disliked. Because you are despicable.

What does hunting elephants provide? To others you look like a sociopath. You are to be saved or shunned, healed or harmed, but not encouraged to kill defenseless animals, especially elephants.

Please help create an environmentally focused, self-sustaining enterprise business until the elephant and other critically endangered species no longer face extinction. Because an elephant is poached at 100 every day and they will not last long. You cannot afford to KILL ELEPHANTS...
Please help us save the elephant from extinction, not just because the elephant is a cornerstone species, whose loss will destroy the world’s second largest rainforest, but because elephants are one of the most amazing, advanced animals who deserve our protection.

Does it give you and your clients a false sense of superiority to shoot an elephant?
In fact, it is YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT AND NOT KILL ANIMALS. Full stop. You make a livelihood of decimating endangered animals and that makes you and yours evil and selfish.

I’m also filming a documentary entitled, Elephant DaZe for which I just traveled across Africa and the USA to interview top conservationists and grassroots activists. This Elephant DaZe film serves as an educational tool to galvanize humans to save the elephant and protect the planet’s vital but endangered biodiversity. I have just returned from filming in Central Africa where I met passionate people who fight poaching, promote sustainable African development and employ effective wildlife conservation programs. I also met poachers and corrupt government officials whose despicable behavior perpetuates murder and instability. I wish we had met. I would have left you with a lasting impression --and shown you how foolish and misguided a person you have become.

Phyllis

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As much as we see them as nut cases who have no idea of the reality of conservation in Africa or the challenges Africa faces , they are the voice of a an ever growing force that is closing hunting , as much as we want to discard their ramblings , millions are not , they in turn put pressure on politicians who can make far reaching decisions.
Can you convert them ? : my experience no , its like trying to convert Muslims to Christianity or visa versa. Can they be educated or enlightened ? Again my experience they prefer the ramblings of false prophets and anti hunting evangelists - remember these evangelists make a living from well intentioned naïve animal lovers who are easily conned out of substantial amounts of $ .
All we can do is continue to fight misinformation with facts, set example by ethical and responsible behavior and teach our children the value of wise utilization and sustainable use of our wildlife resources.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Are these people brainless ignorant idiots? yes, absolutely. However, i think it is a serious mistake to ignore these people. There are more and more of them, they are more organized and well funded. They are working on public opinion.

We need to have an organized manner of combating them.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
Having just returned form an ele hunt and checking emails I thought I would let you know what we deal with- This is one of many!!!!

Buzz,

You are a coward. Why not stand in front of a buffalo or an elephant without your gun, big man?

You are selfish and out of touch with the disaster facing Africa and your business.
First, despite what you put on your pathetic website, hunting elephants is not "YOUR PRIVILEGE" Please change your business to PROMOTE ECO-TOURISM...Africa does not have enough elephants and wildlife to sustain your slaughter. Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR . You must have been that boy nobody liked in school. Now you know why you are disliked. Because you are despicable.

What does hunting elephants provide? To others you look like a sociopath. You are to be saved or shunned, healed or harmed, but not encouraged to kill defenseless animals, especially elephants.

Please help create an environmentally focused, self-sustaining enterprise business until the elephant and other critically endangered species no longer face extinction. Because an elephant is poached at 100 every day and they will not last long. You cannot afford to KILL ELEPHANTS...
Please help us save the elephant from extinction, not just because the elephant is a cornerstone species, whose loss will destroy the world’s second largest rainforest, but because elephants are one of the most amazing, advanced animals who deserve our protection.

Does it give you and your clients a false sense of superiority to shoot an elephant?
In fact, it is YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT AND NOT KILL ANIMALS. Full stop. You make a livelihood of decimating endangered animals and that makes you and yours evil and selfish.

I’m also filming a documentary entitled, Elephant DaZe for which I just traveled across Africa and the USA to interview top conservationists and grassroots activists. This Elephant DaZe film serves as an educational tool to galvanize humans to save the elephant and protect the planet’s vital but endangered biodiversity. I have just returned from filming in Central Africa where I met passionate people who fight poaching, promote sustainable African development and employ effective wildlife conservation programs. I also met poachers and corrupt government officials whose despicable behavior perpetuates murder and instability. I wish we had met. I would have left you with a lasting impression --and shown you how foolish and misguided a person you have become.

Phyllis

Guys, what has gotten your dander up? I do not see a threat, not even a veiled threat, in this email.

Sure, she is misguided but that describes 95% of the Earth's population when it come to conserving wildlife.

Buzz, I think you should grant her a face-to-face meeting. It would be very easy to present an iron clad case for "why legal hunting benefits the African elephant". There are few more qualified than you to take on such a task. If you had Richard Harland by your side you might even convert her by the end of the discussion.

Honestly the "nutters" that worry me aren't the ill-informed(like Phylis) or the "I'm gonna get you and your family" nut-jobs. The guys who worry me are the AR members who seem to be vowing to take our side and sink to the some lows as Phylis and her kind.

We are our own worst enemy.....

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If only I would have published all the hate mail I have received it would make interesting reading! A client of mine once received a beauty that "wished him testicle cancer and a long slow and painful death"!!

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Originally posted by fairgame:
The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your Mankini .

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Originally posted by fairgame:
The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your pants.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your pants.

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Originally posted by shakari:
These might be of interest to some of us:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/.../2003/21/section/127

http://andreasmoser.wordpress....unications-act-2005/

http://saperlaw.com/blog/pract.../defamation-lawyers/

The first two links refer to the UK & the last one to the US but FWIW, similar legislation is in place in most countries around the world and abusive messages are often equally as illegal as libel or threats etc.

Personally, I don't think we could cut these people any slack at all. They are entitled to their own opinion but they cross the line when they start sending obnoxious messages.