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26 May 2014, 07:12

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Problem is if she is good film maker/propaganda expert she is going to make something like "Blackfish". That and social media could get a lot of uniformed do gooders all behind banning us import of elephant trophies.

Its irrelevant to Buzz's personal and family safety but very relevant to business and conservation side of elephant hunting. Asian ivory demand and western do gooders could be the perfect storm for Africa's elephants.

Saeed/Don thanks for making this website non searchable by google and other search engines.

I am more and more reaching the view point stated by Steve Ahrenberg (fight club analogy) - elephant and lion (maybe even leopard) hunting has reached a point of being socially unacceptable behavior. Its perfectly legal in jurisdictions where it is conducted, its has economic and conservation benefits. But it is very difficult to rationally argue with some of these anti people on the merits of elephant (even lion) hunting. Its a tough public relation sell in favor of hunting. Much easier to sell the anti-hunting story to the general public.

Mike

Kind of like why we don't slaughter horses in US anymore. Even though there are MANY unwanted horses and a market for their meat.

26 May 2014, 07:20

cal pappas

She's a good looking woman. I'd take her to Africa in a minute. And use her for leopard bait.
Cal

26 May 2014, 07:21

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by Marty:
I'm getting a taste after posting the cow charge video to YouTube. Aren't these the same folks that tout diversity and tolerance?

Yep.

It is called do as I say not as I do.

Bloody hypocrites!

Do you remember the nasty mail I got from an Australian women working at some university a few years back?

Apparently she was searching for black mamba, and got to AR.

She took exception to us and wrote me a very nasty email.

I posted her email here, and we found that she worked at a university, and she claimed to do a job she was not qualified to do.

She got very upset that I had posted her email, saying that it was just private between me and her.

I told her to take a bloody hike, and stick her own views somewhere else.

Some members here wrote to her university, and had her all up in an uproar and VERY upset.

Someone should do the same to this brainless, attention grabbing idiot too.

26 May 2014, 07:40

stradling

buzz

refer her to a little hard work and more than a little hard science

the history

the local view

the safe position for the species

and suggest that in this audio review she will for certain find where she fits in the global scheme of elephant conservation

the reference is--- ivory's ghosts --- on audible.com

will do us all [here on the forum] good to freshen up on the history and current debate on elephant and global regulation of ivory

fleshes out the role she plays as an exploiter of pink elephant pajama emotion to gain personal benefit and status at the expense of; Africa, elephants, and the people that live among em

26 May 2014, 07:58

vvreddy

The time spent arguing with these nit-wits is better spent educating those who are still sitting on the fence.

26 May 2014, 07:59

Beretta682E

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
quote:
Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Problem is if she is good film maker/propaganda expert she is going to make something like "Blackfish". That and social media could get a lot of uniformed do gooders all behind banning us import of elephant trophies.

Its irrelevant to Buzz's personal and family safety but very relevant to business and conservation side of elephant hunting. Asian ivory demand and western do gooders could be the perfect storm for Africa's elephants.

Saeed/Don thanks for making this website non searchable by google and other search engines.

I am more and more reaching the view point stated by Steve Ahrenberg (fight club analogy) - elephant and lion (maybe even leopard) hunting has reached a point of being socially unacceptable behavior. Its perfectly legal in jurisdictions where it is conducted, its has economic and conservation benefits. But it is very difficult to rationally argue with some of these anti people on the merits of elephant (even lion) hunting. Its a tough public relation sell in favor of hunting. Much easier to sell the anti-hunting story to the general public.

Mike

Kind of like why we don't slaughter horses in US anymore. Even though there are MANY unwanted horses and a market for their meat.

We are in strange political/social environment. This social media stuff matters especially for niche issues. Blackfish has had a impact on sea world than free willie which was far more successful movie franchise.

Looks like meat hunting is cool - Anthony Bordain shooting an eland.

Mike

26 May 2014, 08:09

Dutch44

A faced only 10 shots and beer chasers could love. Say, isn't she wearing leather shoes?

Dutch

26 May 2014, 08:27

jdollar

she looks like "Elvira, Mistress of the Dark"s mother..... women that ugly should not wear short dresses. just another Hollywood nitwit raised on a Disney diet

26 May 2014, 08:41

tankhunter

I think hunters could do themselves all a BIG favour by NOT posting hunting videos on You Tube ,you will Never convert any of these people to sustainable hunting ,Never Ever !!! alot of these people, are your Pure bred Lefty type, and grew up in the city ,they are all Pro Abortion ,Pro Gay ,etc i never tell anyone at work, i like or go hunting .Women like this Phylis thing, are always the same, they have no qualms about cheating ,lying ,thieving from their fellow man [especially men]but always feel sorry for animals ,and cant comprehend the reality that one day they will die .The animosity towards hunting seems to be growing more and more every day, and is not helped by people putting hunting trips on You Tube ,and videos like pig hunting by Yobbo types having their dogs savaging pigs etc

26 May 2014, 08:53

Saeed

quote:
Originally posted by tankhunter:
I think hunters could do themselves all a BIG favour by NOT posting hunting videos on You Tube ,you will Never convert any of these people to sustainable hunting ,Never Ever !!! alot of these people, are your Pure bred Lefty type, and grew up in the city ,they are all Pro Abortion ,Pro Gay ,etc i never tell anyone at work, i like or go hunting .Women like this Phylis thing, are always the same, they have no qualms about cheating ,lying ,thieving from their fellow man [especially men]but always feel sorry for animals ,and cant comprehend the reality that one day they will die .The animosity towards hunting seems to be growing more and more every day, and is not helped by people putting hunting trips on You Tube ,and videos like pig hunting by Yobbo types having their dogs savaging pigs etc

I do agree with you that SOME videos on youtube are very silly, and make us look utterly stupid.

But, I would never hide what I do from them.

It is none of their bloody business, and I am prepared to defend what I do, regardless of what they think.

Ultimately, I am not, under any circumstances, allow them to dictate to me what I should and should not do.

They do a lot of things which are abhorrent to me. But I don't waste my time telling them to stop it.

26 May 2014, 09:31

JBrown

quote:
Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
Having just returned form an ele hunt and checking emails I thought I would let you know what we deal with- This is one of many!!!!

Buzz,

You are a coward. Why not stand in front of a buffalo or an elephant without your gun, big man?

You are selfish and out of touch with the disaster facing Africa and your business.
First, despite what you put on your pathetic website, hunting elephants is not "YOUR PRIVILEGE" Please change your business to PROMOTE ECO-TOURISM...Africa does not have enough elephants and wildlife to sustain your slaughter. Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR . You must have been that boy nobody liked in school. Now you know why you are disliked. Because you are despicable.

What does hunting elephants provide? To others you look like a sociopath. You are to be saved or shunned, healed or harmed, but not encouraged to kill defenseless animals, especially elephants.

Please help create an environmentally focused, self-sustaining enterprise business until the elephant and other critically endangered species no longer face extinction. Because an elephant is poached at 100 every day and they will not last long. You cannot afford to KILL ELEPHANTS...
Please help us save the elephant from extinction, not just because the elephant is a cornerstone species, whose loss will destroy the world’s second largest rainforest, but because elephants are one of the most amazing, advanced animals who deserve our protection.

Does it give you and your clients a false sense of superiority to shoot an elephant?
In fact, it is YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT AND NOT KILL ANIMALS. Full stop. You make a livelihood of decimating endangered animals and that makes you and yours evil and selfish.

I’m also filming a documentary entitled, Elephant DaZe for which I just traveled across Africa and the USA to interview top conservationists and grassroots activists. This Elephant DaZe film serves as an educational tool to galvanize humans to save the elephant and protect the planet’s vital but endangered biodiversity. I have just returned from filming in Central Africa where I met passionate people who fight poaching, promote sustainable African development and employ effective wildlife conservation programs. I also met poachers and corrupt government officials whose despicable behavior perpetuates murder and instability. I wish we had met. I would have left you with a lasting impression --and shown you how foolish and misguided a person you have become.

Phyllis

Guys, what has gotten your dander up? I do not see a threat, not even a veiled threat, in this email.

Sure, she is misguided but that describes 95% of the Earth's population when it come to conserving wildlife.

Buzz, I think you should grant her a face-to-face meeting. It would be very easy to present an iron clad case for "why legal hunting benefits the African elephant". There are few more qualified than you to take on such a task. If you had Richard Harland by your side you might even convert her by the end of the discussion.

Honestly the "nutters" that worry me aren't the ill-informed(like Phylis) or the "I'm gonna get you and your family" nut-jobs. The guys who worry me are the AR members who seem to be vowing to take our side and sink to the some lows as Phylis and her kind.

We are our own worst enemy.....

26 May 2014, 12:46

stuey

I recon the GnT had had a whack before she began her verbal diarrhoea. Ether that or the perscription meds.

26 May 2014, 13:28

Safaris Botswana Bound

As much as we see them as nut cases who have no idea of the reality of conservation in Africa or the challenges Africa faces , they are the voice of a an ever growing force that is closing hunting , as much as we want to discard their ramblings , millions are not , they in turn put pressure on politicians who can make far reaching decisions.
Can you convert them ? : my experience no , its like trying to convert Muslims to Christianity or visa versa. Can they be educated or enlightened ? Again my experience they prefer the ramblings of false prophets and anti hunting evangelists - remember these evangelists make a living from well intentioned naïve animal lovers who are easily conned out of substantial amounts of $ .
All we can do is continue to fight misinformation with facts, set example by ethical and responsible behavior and teach our children the value of wise utilization and sustainable use of our wildlife resources.

26 May 2014, 18:31

Use Enough Gun

quote:
As much as we see them as nut cases who have no idea of the reality of conservation in Africa or the challenges Africa faces , they are the voice of a an ever growing force that is closing hunting , as much as we want to discard their ramblings , millions are not , they in turn put pressure on politicians who can make far reaching decisions.
Can you convert them ? : my experience no , its like trying to convert Muslims to Christianity or visa versa. Can they be educated or enlightened ? Again my experience they prefer the ramblings of false prophets and anti hunting evangelists - remember these evangelists make a living from well intentioned naïve animal lovers who are easily conned out of substantial amounts of $ .
All we can do is continue to fight misinformation with facts, set example by ethical and responsible behavior and teach our children the value of wise utilization and sustainable use of our wildlife resources.

. . . . .And hunt while we can!

26 May 2014, 20:00

cal pappas

Gents:
In the big bore thread is my harpoon gun and a pic and explanation of the exploding bomb it shoots. Perhaps we should send photos to this old gal on how one of us hunts elephant with it! That may stir the pot a bit.
Cal

26 May 2014, 20:53

Jan Dumon

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Are these people brainless ignorant idiots? yes, absolutely. However, i think it is a serious mistake to ignore these people. There are more and more of them, they are more organized and well funded. They are working on public opinion.

We need to have an organized manner of combating them.

Absolutely spot on Larry. Ranting and raving about their ignorance and preaching to the converted does nothing to change these peoples outlooks. Somehow the majority need to be educated. Fast. They need to understand that they do not have to like hunting or want to do it themselves , but simply admit that it has a place in the whole conservation model. They need to get to terms with the fact that the big steak they had for Dinner was consumed partly for pleasure and an animal was killed for that pleasure. They did not have to kill it , and that's fine.
Maybe I'm asking for too much common sense , maybe this education thing is just a pipe dream....

26 May 2014, 21:29

donner

Getting emails and Face books Things like this one all the time dont give a s..t about it but their names and email adresses are sendt to a good friend of mine in the police force

this one came today
I hope fucking die you discusting example of a human being. Those animals you killed were better for this world than you.

27 May 2014, 00:32

Dr balder

Have also got a few emails like that,i just mark the address as spam, then delete the email and never think about it again......let them "die" in silence!

But I'm sorry tp hear that guys like you Buzz,that have the best acknowledge about how game conservation are best done ,gets email's like this one :-(

TK

27 May 2014, 08:36

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by JBrown:
quote:
Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
Having just returned form an ele hunt and checking emails I thought I would let you know what we deal with- This is one of many!!!!

Buzz,

You are a coward. Why not stand in front of a buffalo or an elephant without your gun, big man?

You are selfish and out of touch with the disaster facing Africa and your business.
First, despite what you put on your pathetic website, hunting elephants is not "YOUR PRIVILEGE" Please change your business to PROMOTE ECO-TOURISM...Africa does not have enough elephants and wildlife to sustain your slaughter. Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR . You must have been that boy nobody liked in school. Now you know why you are disliked. Because you are despicable.

What does hunting elephants provide? To others you look like a sociopath. You are to be saved or shunned, healed or harmed, but not encouraged to kill defenseless animals, especially elephants.

Please help create an environmentally focused, self-sustaining enterprise business until the elephant and other critically endangered species no longer face extinction. Because an elephant is poached at 100 every day and they will not last long. You cannot afford to KILL ELEPHANTS...
Please help us save the elephant from extinction, not just because the elephant is a cornerstone species, whose loss will destroy the world’s second largest rainforest, but because elephants are one of the most amazing, advanced animals who deserve our protection.

Does it give you and your clients a false sense of superiority to shoot an elephant?
In fact, it is YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT AND NOT KILL ANIMALS. Full stop. You make a livelihood of decimating endangered animals and that makes you and yours evil and selfish.

I’m also filming a documentary entitled, Elephant DaZe for which I just traveled across Africa and the USA to interview top conservationists and grassroots activists. This Elephant DaZe film serves as an educational tool to galvanize humans to save the elephant and protect the planet’s vital but endangered biodiversity. I have just returned from filming in Central Africa where I met passionate people who fight poaching, promote sustainable African development and employ effective wildlife conservation programs. I also met poachers and corrupt government officials whose despicable behavior perpetuates murder and instability. I wish we had met. I would have left you with a lasting impression --and shown you how foolish and misguided a person you have become.

Phyllis

Guys, what has gotten your dander up? I do not see a threat, not even a veiled threat, in this email.

Sure, she is misguided but that describes 95% of the Earth's population when it come to conserving wildlife.

Buzz, I think you should grant her a face-to-face meeting. It would be very easy to present an iron clad case for "why legal hunting benefits the African elephant". There are few more qualified than you to take on such a task. If you had Richard Harland by your side you might even convert her by the end of the discussion.

Honestly the "nutters" that worry me aren't the ill-informed(like Phylis) or the "I'm gonna get you and your family" nut-jobs. The guys who worry me are the AR members who seem to be vowing to take our side and sink to the some lows as Phylis and her kind.

We are our own worst enemy.....

Oh for Christ sake Jason, that's twice in two weeks we are in complete agreement. :roll eyes:

Well said,

Steve

27 May 2014, 12:57

Buzz Charlton

If only I would have published all the hate mail I have received it would make interesting reading! A client of mine once received a beauty that "wished him testicle cancer and a long slow and painful death"!!

Having learnt the hard way that there is no chance of converting the "bunny huggers" our policy is just not to reply. VVReddy has it right- time would be better pent converting the fence sitters!!! Cheers Buzz

27 May 2014, 15:30

muttleysgone

When my first book was published, a local newspaper reporter did a story about it. Not only did I get threatening letters and phone calls, but also letters to the editor about how horrible a person I was. Most of it I just laughed about, but some I felt compelled to respond to, which just made things worse. These dim bulbs have no clue how the world works. Their "logic" leaves much to be desired, and they disregard any facts that contradict their preconceived opinions. I wish you the best.

27 May 2014, 18:38

R. Gunn

Buzz, this message was funny.You are the most engaging "unpopular... sociopath" I know.

27 May 2014, 20:07

Dave Fulson

We regularly get this kind, and FAR WORSE, after airing elephant and lion hunts we air on Tracks Across Africa. Part of the business I guess. Lots of bad asses on the internet.

27 May 2014, 20:47

fairgame

The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your pants.

27 May 2014, 21:01

Trapper Tom

quote:
If only I would have published all the hate mail I have received it would make interesting reading! A client of mine once received a beauty that "wished him testicle cancer and a long slow and painful death"!!

Had one on my website once after my father had died. He told me he died because he wished it would happen and he hoped I was suffering. The creepy part was that he knew that my father passed away in the first place.

28 May 2014, 05:44

JCOOK

Guys,I think that we are in agreement and we do what we do because of what we are... Trying to convert ,reason,or even understand these people is like

......just ignore them all you can ...... Best of luck on your next hunt...

28 May 2014, 07:11

Frostbit

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your Mankini .

Fixed!!

28 May 2014, 10:13

G L Krause

Many years ago I formed a crow hunting organization here in the States and that generated a flood of hate mail that I continue to get regularly. Trust me, there is no amount of logic or statistical facts that will change the minds of these folks, many of which I believe are mentally unstable. All you can do is shake your head and have fun with it. Here are some of the classics:
Crow Busters Hate Mail

28 May 2014, 13:42

ozhunter

quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your pants.

28 May 2014, 14:42

John Chalmers

quote:
Originally posted by ozhunter:
quote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
The way I read that Buzz was she wants to get into your pants.

Guys, Give Buzz a break. He has got one asshole in there already. jc

28 May 2014, 21:22

L. David Keith

Buzz, obviously this woman is not only overly judgmental, but has no grasp of reality. Elephants defenseless? Really? No doubt she bases this comment on viewing the remains of many "eco-tourist" who did nothing other than to walk into Jumbo's neighborhood. Ele's saving rain forest? How, by destroying every piece of flora they can wrap their trunks around? Without question she is only self promoting her agenda and...wait for it...her own docudrama. Wonder how much MS. Mental Midget will make off this self promoting film. And all those accolades! Fruit Loops and his boy toy Lucky Charms will be so excited! These types are usually the most vile, ignorant, violent wannabe's that draw breath from mother Earth. What a waste! Bet they've each spent hundred's of thousands of dollars conserving the worlds near extinct wildlife. Just another day in La-La land. LDK

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Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running......

"If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you."

28 May 2014, 22:00

Markschu

Let's just hope she tries to go pet a wild African elephant. She will find out like the poor Chinese fellow, Disney animals are a fantasy.

29 May 2014, 09:57

BRICKBURN

It does just get tiring to be subjected to the ignorance and abuse.

Cheers to you all who have to take it for the team!

29 May 2014, 10:51

Skyline

Personally I have always found that when you reply to the moron that you are contacting their service provider with a copy of their e-mail and threaten to service provider with contacting the state/province/country communication authority………. well they disappear, never to be heard from again.

I have done this……… hunt bears and get hate mail. I can assure you that most e-mail providers do not look favourably on any user that is harassing others.

I get into their onions right away when I get a negative communication.

29 May 2014, 12:44

shakari

These might be of interest to some of us:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/.../2003/21/section/127

http://andreasmoser.wordpress....unications-act-2005/

http://saperlaw.com/blog/pract.../defamation-lawyers/

The first two links refer to the UK & the last one to the US but FWIW, similar legislation is in place in most countries around the world and abusive messages are often equally as illegal as libel or threats etc.

Personally, I don't think we could cut these people any slack at all. They are entitled to their own opinion but they cross the line when they start sending obnoxious messages.

29 May 2014, 17:19

gbax

quote:
Originally posted by shakari:
These might be of interest to some of us:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/.../2003/21/section/127

http://andreasmoser.wordpress....unications-act-2005/

http://saperlaw.com/blog/pract.../defamation-lawyers/

The first two links refer to the UK & the last one to the US but FWIW, similar legislation is in place in most countries around the world and abusive messages are often equally as illegal as libel or threats etc.

Personally, I don't think we could cut these people any slack at all. They are entitled to their own opinion but they cross the line when they start sending obnoxious messages.