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Gunwriters are not journalists. They are closer to being entertainment writers. They write copy to fill the mags so the ad departement can sell ads. That is where the publishers make their money. Gunwriting has always been about selling product. Go to www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp and tell me of any gun writer that follows that code of ethics. I can't think of one. John Wooters is quoted as saying, "I've been a jounalist. And this ain't it." He understood even if his readers didn't. Personally I like Boddington although I have grown tired of "Tracks Across Chifuti" and prefer "Hornadys Africa" or whatever it's called. Now back to your regularly scheduled piss-fest. "There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex." | |||
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Sticks and Stones, Jagter. Expected better of you. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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I was at the NRA National Convention several years ago and listened to Boddington and another gentleman speak about hunting in Africa. The first speaker was interesting to listen to, but when Boddington spoke I got bored real quick. It seemed as if it was one long sales pitch (it was). The other fellow spoke genuinely about his hunting experiences and I didn't get the feeling he was trying to sell me something. I think Boddington is a nice enough fellow, but I have less of an opinion of him that many here. He will put his name on almost anything for a buck. That tells me something about someone. Not against him making a profit, just don't have the respect for him that so many here do. Feel free to go and buy everything you can get your hands on that he endorses. | |||
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I too liked CB shows. He like many said could have cut the unrecovered animal. I like his show and Shockys the best. I walked up to the ex-espn reporter at the show a couple of years ago. I told him I had shot my lion at the same camp in Tan. the same year he shot his. He proceeded to sign a pic of himself and hand it to me. I was speechless.... CB seems like the real deal to me. NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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didn't want this to get lost at the bottom of the first page. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Hey, Ed, we're doing fine; I'll call you in a few days. Damn, though, this IS a tough crowd ...... ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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Not even close. The part that you seem to be leaving out is that Craig has done worlds more then ANYONE I have seen or read to prepare REAL people for REAL Africa. Sure PHC got people interested, but he also filled their heads with unrealistic BS. Craig tells it how it is and provides knowledge on everything from what different counties offer to what to pack. As for killing sport hunting, please. The Roosevelts killed over 500 animals on their safari. The heros of the baby boomers and older were elephant poachers and cullers. Craig is the numero uno source for the next generation of hunters in this touchy feely world. Craig is creating a better informed and better prepared hunter. Maybe boomers seem to forget that the generations after them many times didn't have the exposure to hunting that they did. You can't just pick up a shotgun and go duck hunting without a clue and you certainly can't hop on a plane for Africa with no experience. Hunting shows gives people the knowledge and confidence to get out there and hunt and no one is better then Craig getting people off the couch and into the field! | |||
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GeoffM, thanks for the reasoned response to my criticism of CB. Much of what you say about his effect for present day hunters may be true. However, he could do the same by reporting/filming the hunts/past experiences of other hunters. The unpleasant fact remains that he is still killing major game animals on a monthly basis so that he can write an article of sell a TV show, or get an endorsement. He could have the same positive effect without doing so. Those who spend their resources on hunting for joy, without hope of gain, are sportsmen. Those in hope of financial gain, or pride, or record book listing are something else. And I believe I have already given adequate definitions for at least some of them. I have no respect for people who do such things as personally take life for profit. IMO, this makes all hunters look bad, and gives the Anti-'s ammo. Also, a man with a decent conscience who somehow got hooked into this behavior of personally killing for profit would likely have stopped soon afterward. Of course, that is opinion, as "decent conscience" would take too many weeks to define. The other definitions are pretty easy, and they fit who they fit. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Tracks is a great show - I agree. Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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Steve, I have to agree with you on this one. First of all these guys are the girls that you pay for their affection. They will write whatever you desire if the price is high enough. I was sitting in the booth of a pal of mine from Zambia in Reno 3 or 4 years ago when CB came up and asked for a free hunt he would write a great report. The outfitter said, I sell out every year I don't need your approval. Then they sell books and videos from the free hunts and strut around like he's PHC and Ruark all in one slick package. Granted he's a gentleman but he's also a hunt whore. Am I envious? maybe, but I also earn every hunt I pay for. I didn't bring up PHC first (this time) Chipolopolo | |||
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Uugh - I see Chip and Dale are back spouting their usual gloom, doom and BS. I really feel sorry for these two guys and the fact they have such crappy lives and negative attitudes. I guess the next "gay parade" is a ways off so they have to vent their misery on the rest of us here. Sgraves, guess you too had a very unhappy childhood, most likely, saturated in the Southern Baptist retoric, to come on with such a Holier than Thou attitude. If you really believe this stuff you toss out, wow!! I also like "Tracks" and enjoy CB and look forward to a bit of Africa each week. It's that same old thing, if you don't like it, don't watch it. It's funny those that bitch the most are obviously watching, huh?? Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Larry, Just when I though you might not be a douchebag you've proven me wrong. Have you ever seen CB write about a gun he did not like. look for the adds in the mags he writes in. He's a complete sellout, just like the NUGE. watch his show its 30 minutes of advertising. I am having a wonderful childhood picking on little gay pride supporters like you. Your not even a worthy target. And I didn't say I didn't watch it. Thats Mr Chipolopolo to you Larry | |||
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I used to make a substantial part of my income in the 70's when I was a kid by running a trap line during the winter. I was doing it mainly for the money and the money was pretty good back then. I enjoyed a lot of it but getting up at 4:00 AM and running my traps then make it to school on time get home at 4:00 PM run traps until after dark walk back home and eat a cold supper then skin and stretch fur. It got to be work, hard work and I spent a lot of miserable hours in nasty weather simply to make money by killing animals for their fur. I never thought of myself as a Whore though. I paid for my first car with fur money, never crossed my mind that it was dirty money.I happen to like "Tracks" and Craig Boddington seems like a nice enough guy. I would like to meet him if for no other reason than to thank him for his service. I would also trade jobs with him in a second, if that makes me a Whore then I guess I am, so what?  Bob It's better to shoot for the moon and hit the fencepost than to shoot for the fencepost and hit the ground! | |||
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The quality and wide variety of Craig Bottington's DVDs and shows have been the catalyst for my interest in Africa and other hunting as well. After spending 32 years in law enforcement and having many health issues the hope for hunting in Africa has been the inspiration to regain my health and fulfill my dreams. His books and filmed hunts have served as a source of information and the several talks I had with him at SCI and Dallas Safari Club conventions have been enlightening. I have bought Two Searcy double rifles and am having Custom rifles built in 375 H$H 416 Rigby and 505 Gibbs. His expertise in his books and productions have been valuable in making my choices and think his information is among the best out there. If you don't like him , use other sources. I just wish I could make a carrer doing something I love. More power to you Craig!! | |||
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Bloody hell, this sounds as if it came straight from PETA! Where would would we be if all the hunting writers did not write about their hunts? Come to think of it, what are you doing on a hunting forum then? | |||
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Like any show, Tracks Across Africa is a commercial venture. Someone has to pay for it or it won't happen. The show is by far the best of its genre. If listening to CB hawk products is the price we pay to see it, I have no problem. Promotion on this show is certainly more tasteful than the turkey and deer hunting shows, which are little more than infomercials. I took heat on another thread for saying that CB's commercial ventures made his journalistic product evaluations less credible. I stand by that, but I don't think it diminishes his credibility in talking about hunting. If he's doing well financially, God bless 'im. | |||
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Bob, you had a difficult job, with no glory, and were not going to sell your story twice a month to a magazine or for an endorssement . Having to kill in order to earn a living, or to cut down on numbers, is different from choosing to kill to write a story about it. Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Writing about one's once or twice a year hunts that you will take whether you write or not is completely different. SAEED, wondered if you would share with us the most buffalo you have killed on a single trip? Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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SGtraves155, Craig features many others hunting and "killing" on his show. The show being discussed shows a Nyala being shot twice then going down. If I see another show with that footage I'll die. I have seen at least a dozen shows with that piece of footage. You must be a very bitter man. | |||
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I think the most buffalo I have shot on one trip was 15. Sadly, that was all was left from the quota. | |||
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Isnt buffalo hunting boring  Was it in Mahenge ? Seloushunter Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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Buffalo hunting boring? Yes | |||
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BobT I bet you have some great stories from running the trap line. You should start a thread with your best stories. Tim | |||
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Each of us have their likes and dislikes. Personally I find hunting the Tiny Ten and Spiral Horned game of Africa more interesting. JMO With Buffalo for me it was one and done. Not pissing on others fun. | |||
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Thats why we fly year after year to Africa to hunt Buffalo. I cant STOP !!!  Seloushunter Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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What is interesting about this thread (and a load of others) is that when one states his opinion and another disagrees, the give and take begins to loose any argument on the original merits and degenerates into personal fussing. Kind of like which dog is going to piss last on the fire plug. I'm guilty, too, btw. I'm wondering, however, what the hell difference it makes what my "internet reputation" means in the scheme of things. Do you reckon that St. Peter checks some ethernet rating before openning the Pearly Gates? That said, I like Boddington but seldom see "Tracks". I wish commercialism in the videos didn't exist but somebody has to pay the bills and most of the stuff Boddington touts do at least a journeyman's job for the purpose intended (and some are amazingly good like the stuff Jeff Wemmer makes!). Now, somebody get nasty with me! I'll met you at high noon over on the Oprah blog and we'll see who is really a man!  JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Judge, you win!  | |||
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Thank god for the internet...otherwise there would be a bit of fisticuffs going down.... Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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Judge, Did you have drinks with CB at the Sea Cliff?  Chipolopolo | |||
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Was it in Boddington on Leopard that craig gave a knife to the skinners from one of the sponsors. Andrew Dawson wouldn't let them use it as it would be too sharp and was likely to damage the cape to the point all it could be used for was hatbands!! I thought that was quite amusing. I havn't seen his TV shows, but I have a number of his DVD's and I like the guy 9at least his TV persona). If he buys the quota and shoots more than I will [in my life] through one safari then fair play to him. I'd love to get paid to do what I love and if I don't like the product that CB is using then I don't need to buy it... Of course that does't mean I'm not gonna work hard and try and catch up on his tally a little.... Rgds, FB | |||
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No, I trained him at Quantico.  JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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Bullshit on the first sentence, spot on the second statement. You're batting 50/50...jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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HI Fellas Now THAT was a good back and forth ! First let me say "thanks" to all of you who posted such nice comments on our "Tracks Across Africa'' Tv show. We work 52 weeks a year to bring a show to our viewers that highlights the African experience that we all love so dearly. It does not come without financial, personal,and relationship related sacrifice I can assure you. You cannot possibly believe the number of irate calls and emails we get after many shows(especially the elephant and cat shows ) but it is still a shock to get the occasional kick in the 'nads' by fellow hunters, especially guys who are interested in hunting Africa. Guess it is all part of the game, but not a fun or easy to understand part. To each his own though. It is great , however, to hear from, talk with ,and meet guys like yourself who not only seem to enjoy our brand of programming , but have a solid understanding as to the realities and difficulty in bringing such a show to life. To all of you , thanks for your kind words and support. We are gearing up for another season and it should be our best yet (90% dangerous game ) All the best Dave Fulson Dave Fulson | |||
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Great Show Dave, keep up the great work. Unlike some, I enjoy the products you guys showcase on the show and make my own decisions. For example, I wouldn't own a 375 Ruger, much preferring the H&H. I did like the way Trijicons worked and I learned about it on your show. I didn't care for the Texas Hunt Co. stuff, nor would I hunt DG with either a single shot nor a lever gun. It's a great show and I thoroughly enjoy it. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Dave, You guys are the best in the business. Thanks for making it happen. Will you be featuring Ivan Carter any more this coming year? He is a hoot. | |||
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Thanks Dave for the update. You guys are doing a great job with the show, so good luck in the upcoming season. Some here will always complain and should be totally ignored. (It's always the same ones too). Larry Sellers
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Quote from SGraves155: "I'm a bit of the opinion that journalists who make themselves the main character of all their hunting stories and who become "experts" by reason of all the hunts that they have gone on to sell a story and make money by killing something have become more like a narcisstic prostitute than like either a sportsman or a journalist or an adventurer. " I just don’t get it… or at least I hope I don’t As a fan of the show, let me add most of his shows feature someone else hunting all types of African game… for the rest of the statement, it is a bit silly True Boddington is in many of the shows… but I for enjoy them all and I am a little grateful because I have not yet been to Africa and sadly I may not get the chance, so it may be my only chance. | |||
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Dave Fulson, I wasn't going to post on this because the discussion has deteriorated to garbage at this point. Since you're here I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for the show. It is by far my favorite hunting show of all time. I enjoy each week's episode and look forward to the next. Keep up the good work. I'm also happy to see that more seasons are being released on video. I bought the first one several years ago at Gander Mountain and have been impatiently waiting for the next seasons to come out! Brett PS. Any chance we'll see hunts from Tanzania or Zambia this next season? Any chance for a Boddington on Lion video? DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Regardless what one says or thinks about Boddington and/or Tracks Across Africa...Craig is one of the most honest sporting writers to ever ply the trade. He willing admits misses, mistakes and missteps in his hunting adventures. Also, the episode of the show of the nyala hunt was one of the most honest hunting programs I have ever watched and all involved in it should be commended for their treatment of the hunt. That show was the best hunting program I have ever watched. Perry | |||
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