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Larry, sorry to hear about this. I had my fingers burned once with a PH in camp who was a shit to deal with and who we found out on day 1 of the safari was a complete fraud. Everyone gets caught at some point but none the less things cant get any more uncomfortable at the time. It sucks. I was lucky, I had a great client with me at the time and we managed to patch things up, but one cant help but feel that the damage these clowns do far surpasses any apology you can give. After all, we are not selling a dead animal, we are selling an experience. Better luck next time. Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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I understood that, I think most others did as well - but not all. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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My guided experience is limited to one bear hunt when I was 21 years old. We shared camp with 4 other hunters. It was a lot of fun. One guy was a little bit of a know it all, and at 21 it didn't really bug me too much. It might now. But it wasn't bad. All my other travel hunts have been either alone or with a guy I grew up, just heading west and hunting ourselves. We spent a TON of time hunting and fishing before marriage and kids, so we get along great. A couple times we've gone a whole day without even speaking, while hunting together  And it's been greatCan't wait until our next adventure. I'm finally booked for Africa in 2016, in the Eastern Cape, and I imagine there will be some others at the lodge. They'll have to be real horses asses to really ruin my good time Bake | |||
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I've only shared camp with another party one time and it was only for one day and two nights. The second night wolves started howling, it was the first time I had ever heard them sing and it was a real experience. We were way out in the bush of northern Alberta, the stars were brilliant, clear, the wolves singing and I had to ask a loud mouth from the second biggest state in the Union to shut his loud mouth so we could hear something that was enjoyable. My guides have always been great, their company and that of the fire in the evening more than fills my cup. | |||
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Sounds like Hartley "need a drink" Combrink. | |||
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Our PH's friend and his friend's wife joined us in camp for a couple evenings while biltong hunting. He was an interesting gent to talk with and genuinely interested in hunting in the US. His wife's a school teacher, as am I, so campfire conversation was nice. It really added to the experience. | |||
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I was in Kigosi some years ago having lunch in camp and a client in another camp and his PH stopped by for lunch. There was some kind of antelope drinking in the pond in front of the dining hut (can't remember what it was) - our camp mascot. This guy wanted to drill it, telling us he needed it to complete his 5th Pinnacle of Achievement of the Royal Order of Princess Diana Spiral Horned Antelope or some ridiculous sounding award. He wasn't happy when we campers told him he couldn't. | |||
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I have had people around from time to time. Most were ok. One or two have become personal friends . There have been a few truly annoying types . This guy in the Omay took the cake. | |||
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I do not think it is a good idea to share a camp with a hunter, or hunters you do not know...   However, I have been on several hunts, where I was in camp with some of my good buddies.  Now THAT is a good way to hunt, IMHO.   DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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I hunted in October 2010 for Antelope in the Texas Panhandle Shared camp with a fellow AR member He was obviously unhappy about just about everuthing and made the trip unforgettable for all the wrong reasons ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Q./ Have you told the people you payed your wad of money to for the hunt, about what bothered you to the extreme? | |||
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It was not their problem. It was neither their client nor their PH. | |||
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Well if theres nobody involved that you can legitimately & effectively express your concerns to, just take it on the chin. | |||
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No need to take it on the chin, just a warning to all here that abusive behavior is not warranted nor welcomed. We can always expect the unexpected but I believe that Larry didn't relish nor deserve to have this type of behavior out of two selfish individuals. I'm sure their behavior wasn't lost on Martin and Larry acted with tact and restraint. Dutch | |||
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Two of my worst hunts were with big name elk outfitters in New Mexico. Guides were dicks all around. My hunting buddy left on day 2 and I on day 3. Drinking issue. One of the big reasons I continue to go to Africa is the quality of outfitters they have, generally speaking. The only interesting story on Africa was in 2001 hunting on Rogers Whitalls place in the Save. My buddy Tom and I got stuck with father and 15 yr. old son for 3 days in Roger's camp. Son had shot everything and was finishing up in the Save for some plains game. Father was a great mild mannered guy, son was a POS. Total lack of respect for his Dad who was trying hard to make his POS son happy. Kid took Peter Wood's red cruiser and proceeded to wreck it and not just a fender bender. Never said he was sorry or apologized. Tom and I wanted to whip his ass. Final straw was broke when he badmouthed his dad, in front of us and his dad!!! Tom said loud enough for the son to hear us, "We're going to whip this kid to within an inch of his life first thing tomorrow morning" Next morning the dad and kid were gone!!! Lucky for the kid and us!! | |||
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But by all means Larry should tell the forum of his experience if it so pleases him to do so. But if you are correct in your assertion, then Larry did in fact appear take it on the chin. 'take it on the chin' (def.) - to accept unpleasant events bravely and without complaining. However, If there was anything Larry could have done to address the issue-possibly help change/rectify it, it was in camp and not on this forum....and now it appears there is nobody connected to the hunt who he can contact to express his dissapointment & concerns. Selfish or rude people like those Larry experienced,abound just about everywhere in the world. Some people can shrug it off easier than others might. | |||
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In 2004 I was in in a camp in Zimbabwe were I was hunting buff there was a Englishman hunting hippo and a American hunting buff. The first night we sat at the dinner table the Englishman asked the American what he felt about the gulf war or something to that effect and the American straight away said he thinks that they should have just nuked them all and within seconds a huge argument started between the two of them. Both parties were very angry with one another and it sort of set the tone in camp for the rest of the trip luckily a day later I flew out. Sharing camps with strangers is not my thing either | |||
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Yes. I'm starting to plan my trips to the grocery store to be when they first open or right before they close and never on or near a weekend. The selfishness of people is off the charts. One polite person out of twenty. | |||
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First rule of leadership: "Everything is your fault, everything is your problem, everything is your responsibity" Who's running the show? | |||
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Where'd you lift that? The Obummer administration's handbook on presidential leadership? JPK Free 500grains | |||
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Gentlemen: I don't want anyone to do anything. I was just venting. I also wanted to get across the point that it isn't always the outfitters fault. | |||
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larryshores, sorry you had a bad experience. I always hunt alone, but have on occasion taken friends out for a birdshoot and have had a day or two ruined because of their utter disrespect for the rest of the party. Funny how some people change character in the field... | |||
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No, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about your president. | |||
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I don't blame you. Will be happy when he is our former president. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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At least he knows who ours is. I am always stunned by how many Americans can't name the Prime Minister of Canada. | |||
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It was a good story Larry, but there is always someone that hijacks it Those are the ones you really don't wanna be in camp with or for that matter in same concession or country or even continent " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Never have I been in a camp with another. You chaps pay far too much money for the exclusivity and this sort of shit should be outlined in a contract. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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How long were you in intensive care? ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Not sure I understand why Martin shouldn't shoulder some of the blame and have an obligation to make it right. Isn't the concession exclusively his? Shouldn't he have a say in how those he allows on his concession behave? Wouldn't have a sat call to the PH's boss improve his behavior? Maybe I don't completely understand the relationship dynamics. If so, please enlighten me. An analogy, albeit not perfect, would be two of my kids each inviting a friend to the house for the weekend. It is my obligation that the friend of child A not be rude to the friend of child B. If that were to start, Child A would be pulled aside and told to straighten up ASAP or her friend would be going home. Maybe Martin should make quota sales contingent to a conduct code. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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I have shared camps both in Canada and Africa with other hunters. Some have been utter asses, others very interesting people to share camp with. I don't allow another's behavior to affect my enjoyment. It just isn't worth it. If someone acts like an ass, I just tune them out, as long as their antics don't affect me personally. One time, the wife and I were staying at the Sanyati Safari Lodge on Lake Kariba. There were two guys from the US also staying there. At dinner one of them was obviously feeling the affects of several before dinner drinks. Somewhere in the conversation, I mentioned that I was doing some hunting while in Zim. Immediately, the inebriated one started telling everyone that we needed to completely ban all firearms in the US. He went on to say that far too many people are shot in the US and only a complete firearms ban will solve the problem. I calmly asked him how he planed to change the US Constitution. His response was that if one life would be saved it would be worthwhile. I then responded that perhaps while we were at it, we should also ban all alcoholic drinking as alcohol was involved with a high proportion of car accidents deaths, murders and the abuse of women and children. He got really huffy about that and said that we tried that once and it didn't work. So I responded with a smile on my face that perhaps we need to try again because if we save one life it would be worth it. I didn't allow even that to spoil my mood. In my opinion idiots are to be seen as humorous. 465H&H | |||
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Nicely done! I'm here for a good time not a long time .. lol. If it were me l would of politely told my host this aint workin please fix it asap or we will have a problem, thank you. (just sayin) Everyone has a different outlook and way of handling things. But once the comfort meter starts buzzing better to nip it in the bud is my motto. Pro active is better imho. Alcohol is a real issue alright but if its obvious that someone in camp can't hold theirs then its time to clue them in or boot them out. All that being said l feel for Larry too.. really too bad. Heres to better luck next time Larry. | |||
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Larry, From what I know of you I'd say you are more tolerant then me. I wouldn't let an asshole in camp ruin my trip because i would just distance myself from the bullshit. But that said, if I were on a road trip and had to stay at a hotel for a week and the folks in the room next door were drunk, disorderly, and interrupting my stay at $100/night I would certainly mention such to the management requesting they find a solution of their choice. Paying over $1,000 per night to stay in camp I think the same approach would be warranted. We try our best not to share camps unless it's with folks of our choosing. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I had a great time in spite of these idiots. I felt bad for Martin's staff. | |||
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Larry, I understand fully. One thing I learned many years ago is that if you want to learn the true nature and character of a man, spend a few days in hunting camp with him. I guarantee that his true nature will come out! I knew a fellow once, a very successful businessman and owner of a large company. He made it a habit that before he would hire someone in a higher management position in his company, he would spend a few days in hunting or fishing camp with them. Whether he hired the person or not depended on that trip in addition to the established required credentials. It worked for him and I understand why. | |||
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I guess it was another post about an obnoxious kid. If he were mine, we'd solve that quickly. He'd get lost out in the blue overnight (with a trusted tracker to make sure he didn't get actually eaten or anything). Same could be done with rude clients. Suspect their attitude in the morning would be much better. | |||
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I have a very practical approach to most problems, but that, perhaps, is why no one in this business will hire me. | |||
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In many areas - hunters have to share camps in the back to back fly in /out of charter flights or ground transport over long hauls , mostly for one night. In my experience 98% of them are good experiences and the other 2% need a sense of humour. I met JDollar on a Namibian hunt this year - not sure if they shared my opinion but I certainly enjoyed sharing the camp fire with them. In SA last month we shared the dinning room with 4 different hunters and PH's - from 4 different countries - the only USA hunter was with me - it was very entertaining even the awkward moments. Learning to deal with rude / difficult hunters is part of the fun and challange. To be united is the only way we will survive the future war against hunting | |||
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When I go hunting, I have absolutely no wish to deal with rude and difficult people. The whole idea of going on safari is to enjoy myself, and I have no wish to deal with idiots as mentioned in this thread. | |||
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Don't tell me you're losing sleep and growing bags under your eyes because of that? | |||
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