I realize it is pedestrian, but I rather enjoy Wild Turkey Rare Breed and left most of a bottle behind in camp in Namibia.

Don't get me wrong, as Whitworth pointed out in another thread, I drink more than just single malts. I agree wholeheartedly with the Maker's Mark. The wife is an ambassador and has her name on a barrel and gets free goodies all the time from them. Also a big fan of George Dickel and Beam's Choice (don't even think they make that any more, popular during Viet Nam, I happened across a case at an estate sale once). Rum and Brandy are other passions of mine. Jeez, I sound like an alcoholic Not though, hell, it takes me an hour or more to enjoy a good double of single, and rarely more than one in a sitting.

Ray,

Peet's is coffee you unculutured barbarian.

Mike

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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
Ray,

Peet's is coffee you unculutured barbarian.

Mike

Most folks I know would take this as a compliment.

"Do you guys mix your Scotch with Sprite or 7-Up? "

Sorry, couldn't resist! That was my mother's question. She thinks whiskey is all the same, and shouldn't be confused with Black Velvet.

I vote for JW Green or Blue as a blend, or the McCallans as a single malt. Went to a hosted bar get-together at the country club last week, and was very impressed (?) by all of them.

Made for a very slow hunting weekend after the fact.

Lived in England for three years courtesy of Uncle Sam. Toured many of the distilleries. My choice is the Lagavulin, although there are others I like.
Oh, in the misty isles, if you order whiskey and american, you get scotch and ginger ale!
And my bourbon is Maker's Mark.

You guys are driving me nuts First lets talk DGR's.

Are not O/Us usually single trigger with ejectors? My SXS has double triggers with extractors. Because I have learned to drop the butt after firing, the empties fall out, but I must then tip forward to drop in new shells.

If the O/U ejects the shells, it sits ready to accept the new shells. Which is really faster? I don't really care. The ejectors and single trigger eliminate it for a DGR because of the reliablilty issues. To many things to go wrong.

Now for the sundowners. If its for "drinkin", I will have to side with the Russians. If it is for "sippin", its got to come from the grape

Mike, whats you schedule next week?

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"Do you guys mix your Scotch with Sprite or 7-Up? Smiler

That's like asking if one's double rifle is a daisy or a benjamin!!!!!

Jboutfishn, O/U's made in Europe come with double triggers and extractors but single triggers and ejectors can be obtained as options. You can check, for instance, the Chapuis web site for confirmation. Some people are firm believers in the increased reliability of double triggers but I don't think you will find too many Berettas, Kreighoffs or Brownings on the local and international shotgun shooting circuits having problems with their single triggers. The triggers are basically the same for the O/U rifles so I don't think it is an issue.

I wasted a fortune on single malt scotch-and one day tasted a single malt Irish Whisky-
obviously none of you fine gentlemen have ever lived if you still waste your time talking about scotch.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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"Do you guys mix your Scotch with Sprite or 7-Up? Smiler

That's like asking if one's double rifle is a daisy or a benjamin!!!!!

You laugh, but I happen to know of an antique store in Mansfield, Texas that has a mint DAISEY double rifle, BB gun made in the late 30s I had one of these as a kid, and have been looking for one ever since! The problem is the owner knows what it is worth! $1000.00 US! Still it is all I can do to keep my checkbook in my pocket!

PS: It is a Side by Side.... A proper double rifle!

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Originally posted by wombat:
I wasted a fortune on single malt scotch-and one day tasted a single malt Irish Whisky-
obviously none of you fine gentlemen have ever lived if you still waste your time talking about scotch.

Uh-oh...them be fightn' words

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Originally posted by Wink:
Jboutfishn, O/U's made in Europe come with double triggers and extractors but single triggers and ejectors can be obtained as options. You can check, for instance, the Chapuis web site for confirmation. Some people are firm believers in the increased reliability of double triggers but I don't think you will find too many Berettas, Kreighoffs or Brownings on the local and international shotgun shooting circuits having problems with their single triggers. The triggers are basically the same for the O/U rifles so I don't think it is an issue.

WINK, there is nothing wrong with a single trigger on a double rifle, if that is what you want. However, it simply does not make sense to add any single item to a double rifle, used for stopping of dangerous game, that if broken puts
both sides of the rifle out of service. It makes no difference how reliable you think the single trigger is, if it exists, it can break!If that item does not break, you are in fine shape, but if it does,and it can, you are up to your neck in deep do-do, no matter what the item is! There is only one item that can be installed in a double rifle that will do that, and that one item is a single trigger! It simply is not a prudent idea, to use a single trigger in a DGR double rifle! When you also add a recoil cocking of one of the barrels it really gets to be a little dumb.

If all you intend hunting is deer, or maybe a Bear, or Leopard over bait, then it doesn't matter. That, however, is not what I use most of my double rifle for! If one of my barrels doesn't fire for any reason, the other one absolutely WILL, because there is no single item on them that can disable the whole rifle! I will always have at least one shot, without reloading, when faceing old Mbogo! You may do as it suits you, but I believe it is not a good idea to give that advice to those who may not have any experience in the way a DGR of any kind should be set up!

The little Winchester we are discussing here will be fine, for the use I obtained it. I bought it for use on Bear over bait, and Moose hunting. It will never see Africa, with me. I will take a 9.3X74R double rifle to Africa, to match my 470NE of the same make. These two rifles are both S/S, and are both set up for dangerous game, if either is in my hand when needed for that purpose! The little 9.3 S/S double is going to JJ at Champlin's for QD scope rings & bases, so I can use it for my plains game rifle, reserving my 470NE for the big stuff! The little Winchester will likely find it's self in a Canadian, or Maine bear stand over bait, with the lighted scope I intend mounting on it!

A properly set up Double Rifle for use on Dangerous game should have two triggers, be S/S configuration, should have very good Iron sights, and fit the shooter properly so instinctive shooting is possible, a non-automatic safety,and Ideally it will have extractors. The reason for this is with Lion, or Elephant you stand a great chance of a multiple charge, and the PING of the cases leaving the rifle pinpoints your possition in the high grass, or heavy thorn. Some ask, why worry about a little ping after shooting two shots?
The reason is, that if you are close enough to make the ping an issue, the sound of the two shots are so close they assault the ears so badly in front of the rifle, that animals seldom can pinpoint where they came from. The ping, however, is a tiny sound that is absolutely foreign and is immedietly pin pointed. It seems a tiny matalic sound disturbs game more than the sound of shots. I can live with ejectors, in today's hunting of Buffalo, but would prefere extractors for Lion, or Elephant, if I could afford to hunt them.

MacD37, Actually, in most instances I agree with your logic. I was responding to Jboutfishn who thought that double triggers don't exist in O/U's, they do. You can get everything you describe as being necessary for a DGR double gun in an O/U, it doesn't have to be a S/S and that was my point. Now, I think that some of the better informed than I should comment on the value of redundancy which you get with sidelocks, you basically have two complete trigger systems on the rifle. Is that the same on all the boxlocks? Do you really add to your security with those actions with two triggers?

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Originally posted by Wink:
MacD37, Now, I think that some of the better informed than I should comment on the value of redundancy which you get with sidelocks, you basically have two complete trigger systems on the rifle. Is that the same on all the boxlocks? Do you really add to your security with those actions with two triggers?

Actually, Wink, there is no difference between a side lock and a box lock, as far as being two indipendant, and completely seperate trigger systems, on any box lock I have ever seen. In fact, I prefere the box lock, over the side lock. The box lock enjoys less chance of infiltration of water, or dust and grit into the lock systems, than the side lock,but are harder to completely clean,than the side lock, especially the hand detachable veriety. The lock system I like better than any are the BLITZ actions. The Blitz action has both triggers and bot locks on a hand detachable trigger plate, that drops out on the bottom of the action as a single unit. Because they are on a common trigger plate takes nothing away from the seperate lock systems, but simply makes them easier to clean. The stocks are weaker on the side lock, in the very critical wrist area, because of more wood being removed for the locks. They cost more, not because they are better, or more reliable, but because they cost more to make, and inlet into the wood, and they supply a great field for deccoration! Like the single trigger they simply cost more to make, and are sales items that are not needed in the real world, and in fact not better in the field! IMO, in the group who buys very expencive rifles, or shotguns, many of the things they pay extra for are simply, to use the vernacular, BLING, that give the illusion of quality, because they cost more!

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Mike D

For special occasions try some 16 year old Lagavulin Single Malt Scotch Wisky.

If the above does not seem the best to you, go buy a hunting rifle at Wall Mart, and a 6 pack of beer.

Yes my absolute favoured Whisky! Simply fantastic that smoky smell and taste!

Mac, OK, but lets get back to one of the original questions, especially if all of the mechanical options available on a S/S are availvable on an O/U, then why an S/S?

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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"Do you guys mix your Scotch with Sprite or 7-Up? Smiler

That's like asking if one's double rifle is a daisy or a benjamin!!!!!

You laugh, but I happen to know of an antique store in Mansfield, Texas that has a mint DAISEY double rifle, BB gun made in the late 30s I had one of these as a kid, and have been looking for one ever since! The problem is the owner knows what it is worth! $1000.00 US! Still it is all I can do to keep my checkbook in my pocket!

PS: It is a Side by Side.... A proper double rifle!

No I didn't laugh....I knew they existed but have not seen one in decades. $1,000 for one is a bit stiff for me so it's safe.....besides it'll take $3,000 in gas to drive there from here.

Mike D,
For those who think my nerve has dwindled, get this one! I had to reach a bit but what the hell.

"Oh, for Peets sake! I knew it was coffee, Mike...well maybe I did..."

Maybe d is sumptin wrong with drinken tequilla and lonestar mix up, it mats th tung thik, is something wong?

thats it I'm going back to black Velvet, thats a sexy name and it taste as good as Cheveys. Lone Star is nostalgic, much like my 404 Jeffersy.

IMHO, Lagavulin is the best whisky on earth, bar none, single malt or otherwise.

It's not for the timid or inexperienced. Some say that it smells and tastes like burnt wood and iodine. I'd call it smoky myself.

And it sure ain't bourbon or any other kind of corn liquor, which is just too damned sweet for my tastes.

I've never seen Lagavulin in a duty free shop or anywhere in Africa. Except when I bring it.

I'm Jack Daniels Bolt rifle trash.
Gave up the seegars when too many relatives had succumbed to the big C.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

No I didn't laugh....I knew they existed but have not seen one in decades. $1,000 for one is a bit stiff for me so it's safe.....besides it'll take $3,000 in gas to drive there from here.

I know what you mean! However, if you want it, I'd be happy to act as go between and ship it to you!

I want it myself, but I have spent $14K on double rifles in the last three yrs, so I better hold off. Actually $1ooo is about right for it, and maybe a little more considering the it's condition. If it had the origenal box, it would be worth $2000! Examples of the Daisey Mod 21 double rifle BB gun, in Mint, non re-finished condition are very rare, and I know when it is gone I'll be kicking myself!

Balvenie -12 Double Wood is my fancy right now but i like glenmorangie 12 sherry wood finish too. the ultra grade single malts are good too i could name many but i'd rather spend that money on ammo

what about bourbons?...can you say... basil haydens

scotch drinking is a hobby of mine if you can call drinking a hobby

we can talk cigars for a while too

As stated before, I prefer scotch to american whisky for sippin', but you are right, Basil is good. However, in my mind, Blanton's is far and away the best bourbon made (and one of the most expensive). However, I have seen it in only a few stores in KY and have never seen it outside the state, so it's distribution may be limited.

Actually, of all the American whiskies, I think the aged grades of George Dickel are the best made in this country. They aren't bourbon and don't have that distinctive taste, but they are really smooth.

I will show the color of the skin between my hair and the back of my collar.

WalMart will sell you a Model 70 SS Super Shadow controlled feed rifle in .30/06 and a pedestrian Leupold VX-II or its successor for pretty darn cheap. Just fool with them at the store until you get one that has a good trigger pull and you'll have an ugly gun that will work just fine (and they give full refunds if you're not satisfied with the accuracy or feed... and that's amazing). Then walk down the aisles of the SuperStore to the beer coolers and get a 12 pack of Budweiser. You could do worse and spend a lot more money...

I love Law & Order.. but it ain't Faulkner
I love Bud, but it ain't from Islay,
I love my dog, but he ain't King Buck
I love my deer lease, but it ain't Webb County
I love my girlfriend, but she was only Playmate of the month... not of the year.

And on this day, I mourn the death of Bob Denver of Dobbie Gillis and Gilligan.. he wasn't Shakespearian, but a gentle, fun guy to watch.

Tonight I had a double shot of cheap Henry McKenna poured over crushed ice with a sprig of mint. Not bad for $6, particullary since the local pub is just a 60 degree wedge from my front door.


Sometimes perfection isn't everything. I'd hate to leave a Skoal streak on the side of a 911 Porsche.. but it looks just fine on my Chevy Z-71... if you get my drift.

I pine for the best, but am usually content with the rest. And it made the time I spent with my (former) Westley Richards in Africa all that more wonderful. God Bless the next guy who puts it to his shoulder with deadly intent.

Added about 10 minutes after the above:

We just started getting rain bands from Tropical Storm Ophelia...

Tonight I won't be sleeping at a Four Seasons Hotel, but the tin roof on my sleeping porch won't be so bad, either... nothing like the drum of a steady downpour to make for a dream of Africa. Life ain't so bad... as I take the last pull for a $2.00 JR tabacco Cohiba rip-off while the celing fan churns the storm chilled salt air of my (not Palm Beach) island home. Good night folks.

For those of you on the lookout for a good deal, Jim Beam is only $8.00 a bottle in the duty free shop at Lungi Airport, Freetown, Sierra Leone.

Handmade SXS doubles and patron anejo tequila...

was there another question?

Oh, yeah, I am scotish (amoung other things) and I just love single malt lowlands scotch... and if I had to shot an O/U on dangerous game I reckon I would prefer it to a bolt gun (in the same or better caliber in the double)... but just barely...

jeffe

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I love my girlfriend, but she was only Playmate of the month... not of the year.

Aww, come on Judge, no need to brag now (at least, you'd better be braggin or never, ever let her see this page!)...

I must say, though, that was an excellent post, lest we begin to think too highly of ourselves.

Some of the best things in life are free...or at least simple.

thanks!

friar

Dettore Mike,

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the marketing folks created a myth and people bought it just like saying only pure cabernet's are the best when we all know that best wines are actually meritages...

Hmmm maybe an old vine (80 to 100 year plus) shiraz with about 5 to 10% of cabernet sauvignon.

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The bbl of a SxS need to move about 4 inches to access the chambers and O/U about 7 1/4 inches.

Some U/Os have a similar reloading plane angle to a S/S. Believe or not.

But I focuss on the target not the barrels or sight.

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you might as well drink Scotch while you are shooting...

Hmmmm Irish ............ or better yet, Cognac, made from the fruit of the vine, not grain and dust.

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Originally posted by Wink:
If memory is correct, the O/U came out in 1925, Browning idea wasn't it, for the shotgun initially (B25)? Since the heyday of double guns was pretty much over, to be revived later, the mystique was always with the S/S.

I don't remember whether it was John Marchington or Christopher Austyn who pointed out that the original doubles (muzzleloaders) were first made as U/Os (as the Brits like calling them) and the SxS came out later and was considered an improvement. Speaking of shotguns specifically, the finest shotgun makers in the world, Ivo Fabbri and Daniele Perazzi both consider O/Us considerably superior to SxS. The Brits too regarded the shallow framed O/U Woodward (second model) and the Boss as the finest shotguns in the pre war days.