I have warned people about booking/ hunting with Gordon Duncan after I was scammed out of many thousands of dollars by him. This was despite literally hundreds of excuses and finally a visit to a lawyer and promises from Duncan on a payment plan that has never materialised. However a new scam of his is afloat that I want you all to be aware of – to date he has stolen tusks from unsuspecting clients and I do not want you to be another casualty.

Basically he is posing as a legal trophy dealer. Whether he is or is not I cannot say for sure but he promises to buy your ivory for slightly under the going rate. This may be tempting to the many Trophy ele hunters that cannot export their tusks out due to the Fish and Wild life ban as a way to off set some of the costs. He is a sweet talker and he has conned some to take the tusks with monies “been paid tomorrow” stories! The rest is history!! He has conned quite a few Zimbabweans that have sold old family ivory also. Where the ivory goes I do not even want to guess. Anyway be warned operators as well as clients! Cheers Buzz

Good to know Buzz and thanks for the heads up. It sounds like Gordon Duncan has given up on Zimbabwe and intends to leave soon.

Shame!!! Gordon was a good guy at one time, but desperate people, do desperate things!!!

I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

And that is all you have to say???

GD, certainly you have just confirmed everything Buzz has stated about you in your comically circular stated retort. I know Buzz personally and believe every word he has posted as a valid warning to everyone to avoid doing business with you.

With that doublespeak you should hang out a shingle.

Dutch

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

I would work on that response if I were you.

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

Well that load of crap just convinced me that you are not someone to do business with.

Bad response GD
You sound like wanna be lawyer and it comes out as total bullshit
Unbelievable

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

Holy Shit! You should run for President of the United States!!!!!

Jeff

quote:

posted 10 March 2015 18:23 Hide Post
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

We've got a saying around here for folks like you Gordon. You are a "Mealy mouthed piece of shit". I hope that leaves no room for interpretation.

Holy Shit! You should run for President of the United States!!!!!

Jeff[/QUOTE]

As I was trying to make sense of the response, I thought of a career politician. Which I place several levels below the worst malpractice lawyer.

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
......, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best ......

Sincerely
GD

Really? ...my honest best .....I'm speechless.

Phew. My brain hurts.

Just out of curiosity, you don't happen to have any spare trophies lying around. I'll give you a good price for them.

You can send me a PM if this is too daring for a public forum.

Sincerely
JJ

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
. . . it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.

That is certainly a damning statement. Sometimes the best response is no response.

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

Holy Shit! You should run for President of the United States!!!!!

Jeff

Jeff , you owe me for the breakfast I just spit out from laughing so hard.

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

Holy Shit! You should run for President of the United States!!!!!

Jeff

….And he didn’t even need a teleprompter like the PREZ!

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” Mark Twain

This should be good for a couple pages.

Brett

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:

That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
GD

Ok... So with that being said - do you owe Buzz money or not? If you do - maybe just pay him and all can be forgotten - if you don't - then say why?

quote:

Originally posted by BrettAKSCI:
This should be good for a couple pages.

Brett

Let me help......

Mark Sullivan
SCI vs. DSC
Captive Bred Lion Hunting

Discuss amongst yourselves.....

Sounds like a South African politician.

Lets make this real easy for you; very simple yes or no questions, only possible answer is yes or no.

Do you owe Buzz money you promised to pay too him?

Have you possessions of ivory that you promised to pay the owner for and have not paid them for it?

Yes or No?

quote:

Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
I have warned people about booking/ hunting with Gordon Duncan after I was scammed out of many thousands of dollars by him. This was despite literally hundreds of excuses and finally a visit to a lawyer and promises from Duncan on a payment plan that has never materialised. However a new scam of his is afloat that I want you all to be aware of – to date he has stolen tusks from unsuspecting clients and I do not want you to be another casualty.

Basically he is posing as a legal trophy dealer. Whether he is or is not I cannot say for sure but he promises to buy your ivory for slightly under the going rate. This may be tempting to the many Trophy ele hunters that cannot export their tusks out due to the Fish and Wild life ban as a way to off set some of the costs. He is a sweet talker and he has conned some to take the tusks with monies “been paid tomorrow” stories! The rest is history!! He has conned quite a few Zimbabweans that have sold old family ivory also. Where the ivory goes I do not even want to guess. Anyway be warned operators as well as clients! Cheers Buzz

It's gonna make few pages for sure.
Showed it to my friend who is lawyer like Mike, Larry and others.
He laughed pretty hard and said the same thing. Is this guy gonna run for president?
I couldn't say if I was drunk

It depends on what the meaning of "is" is...

Why would a guy reply to a post being called a thief on multiple fronts and then say he doesn't disagree with being called a thief?

I sure wish all dishonest outfitters, guides and booking agents did this. It would sure make it a lot easier when deciding who not to book a hunt with!!!

Eddie

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by BrettAKSCI:
This should be good for a couple pages.

Brett

Let me help......

Mark Sullivan
SCI vs. DSC
Captive Bred Lion Hunting

Discuss amongst yourselves.....

Yes, surely SCI must be involved in this somehow...

quote:

Originally posted by gordoma74:
I offer the following response with All due respect to Buzz & Myles, and the process of accountability & transparency.
However these reports are unfortunate in their inaccuracies, & they are by no means encompassing of all of the facts & as a result are very misleading & grossly unfair.
That being said, I do not believe in fanning the flames in a public forum, Buzz did invite me to comment as I now do, however I remain committed as I always have been to do my honest best to resolve misunderstandings & outstanding issues with individuals on a personal level.
& it must be stated that I DO NOT suggest that Buzz's reports are a deliberate mis-representation of facts.
Sincerely
GD

How about paying Buzz the money you owe him then??

Crooks should be run out of this business!

Isn't it against the law to sell ivory?

Gordon. You really aren't doing yourself any favors. Zimbabwe is a very small place and I would really encourage you to start trying to pay back the loot. Even if it's $100 a month. This way at least it looks like you are trying.

Thierry yes I know & the fact is I have been, I have a signed agreement drafted by consent between us & to date I have managed to pay a total of $5500 to them, & when I have had difficulties making installments I have always let them know.
Regarding the ivory I was acting on behalf a client who legitimately purchased 12 pairs of tusks in 2013. I had managed to pay for 10 out of the 12 & I was let down on payment for the remaining 2 pairs & also have being doing my best to recover payment for these. It was not a scam it was a legitimate deal & I have been in constant communication with the remaining sellers to work it out. There has been no deliberate horse play involved it has just been a result of compounded unfortunate circumstances & I have been doing my utmost best under very challenging circumstances to resolve all outstanding issues with all involved. Judge me as you will.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Isn't it against the law to sell ivory?

Yes.

In the case of post ban (sport hunted) ivory or other elephant products it's illegal to buy, sell or trade them and I'd suspect that Americans could also probably be prosecuted under the good old Lacey Act as well.

Essentially Gordon says that not all of the "facts" are stated in Buzz's OP which he finds unfair but that there is truth in the statement that he owes Buzz money and that he is selling ivory acquired from clients and that he remains committed to "do his best" to resolve outstanding issues. He also doesn't think that Buzz statements - despite not including all of the facts - was intentionally intended to mis-represent the facts.

Gordon- sorry to call you out on this and this will be my last post- since the agreement with the lawyer you agreed you would pay us $1500 monthly till the balance was settled- last payment was July last year!!!!!! I went as far to say just show intent even if it was not the full amount of us$1500/month- still nothing!

I have 3 clients on this forum that still wait trophies including ivory and cats from you now dating back several years and like myself have also received 1000 incredible excuses and reasons why you have not honored your side of the deal!

Ps would you like to respond to Lahtari post- I would be interested to see what thats all about!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:

I have 3 clients on this forum that still wait trophies including ivory and cats from you now dating back several years and like myself have also received 1000 incredible excuses and reasons why you have not honored your side of the deal!

Ps would you like to respond to Lahtari post- I would be interested to see what thats all about!!!

Now now Buzz, let him take his time.

In a meanwhile, did I understand correctly that Gordon still have some ivory left. Well that good, because I have a suggestion. And I write it here since he choose not to answer my emails.

To mr Duncan.

I don't know how much you owe Buzz but give my ivory, leopard and rest of the trophies to him as part of the payment of the debt. And I'll promise to pay Buzz, let's say 100 $ per each trophy. In this way we all win. I'll have slightly better chance to get my trophies some day, Buzz receives several hundred dollars and you prove once and for all that you are honest and committed, as you say.

Since I live in Europe it would be easier to start with me in terms of exporting ivory. And I would like to believe that your agent Aaron will certainly help yours US clients with their ivory when time comes. And if this works Buzz will get his money, at least some of it, your clients around the world who are now having slightly bitter thoughts of you will change our minds. And I'll make this easy to begin with.If ivory or the leopard is a problem (to find) let's start with my kudu scull as good will gesture.

What you say mr Duncan?

..........................just grabbing another cup of coffee.

I was the PH for Lahtari's hunt.... (dare I say it!) We had a great hunt and I actually only became aware that GD still had his trophies when Lahtari mentioned it 3 years LATER! My presumption was he had shipped them out LONG ago... alas

Leopard, elephant, kudu, bushpig - we shot a lot of things that GD is still sitting with.

I am still trying my friend... still trying!

quote:

And I would like to believe that your agent Aaron will certainly help yours US clients with their ivory when time comes

There is an agent involved in this fiasco? Who is this "Aaron" character and what has he done to facilitate resolution for his clients? Gordon? "Aaron"?

I have no doubt that Duncan did not ship the trophies. My question is what benefit would that be to Duncan? How does he profit from holding the trophies? Is he simply retaining the fees? Selling the trophies? Something else?

Phill, I just went through my emails and first time I was rude enough to suggest that there is something fishy going on was 3 months after I left the dark continent.

After that it was several emails reassuring that GD is man of his word. I did drop the subject with you my friend, because I kept you as a least guilty person of participants for what has happened. I still think we had a good time in Doma.

And by the time Aaron Neilson the GD's agent did stop answering my emails after his "shit happens what can I do attitude" and all the authorities that I could think of gave me polite nothing, I gave up. During this period of time I did received couple of those famous GD's excuses emails which are beyond wildest imagination.

Then just about three years later all this started other victims including Buzz contacted me and I re-activated. What good will this do. Not much I'm afraid.

We had thread about this earlier so anyone interested, here is the link.
http://forums.accuratereloadin...441025002#5441025002

The famous emails ...... Hahaha - too true!!