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Did you say I won a free hunt? I am there. Hell I would even hunt with Saeed's underpowered 375 wildcat even though it can barely kill a buffalo or maybe 100 buff but just barely. I would gladly go with the 9.3 rifles and not even think twice about it. | |||
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man, ain't that the truth. one buffalo hunt and everybody is an expert. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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+1 Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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jdollar, ah, another product of public education in Kalifornia. Make a note: this entire thread, until a few low comprehension level people chimed in: is about the efficacy of the 9,3x62 as a "Stopper" on DG. Not a shooter, Jeez! you can do that with a 243. STOPPER you dimwits!!!!!! I have to get a glass of milk and a couple peanut butter and cracker sandwiches and hit the sack. See you all in the morning... regards, Ric | |||
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9.3x62 is better as a stopper in the right place than a 500 in the wrong place. It is really as simple as that. "Marginal" hits with a larger caliber are only that "marginal". They won't make up for lack of accurate bullet placement. | |||
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[/QUOTE]man, ain't that the truth. one buffalo hunt and everybody is an expert.[/QUOTE] Or a new booking agent.... | |||
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No sir! You added this criteria. The original question had nothing to do with the chosen cartridge being a stopper. I am not an expert, but previous threads have garnered the opinion that the 416 Rigby and the 500/416 are not stoppers. I happen to own both of these but, even though they are not stoppers, I would still hunt DG with them, with the exception of ele where I would use a 450. The term "stopper", as I understand it, means effective in stopping a charge. As has been shown on previous threads, not all DG hunts result in a charge, unless one believes that you "should let the animal choose how it wants to die". Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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The title should be: A legend in his own time vs. a legend in his own mind. Rich, you are a fool........but thanks so much for taking Addrook's place  "....but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not of soundness of heart." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Oh, please everyone just pony up their experience. Who should be throwing rocks? And no guys shooting souped up 375's, backed up with PH's carrying 460 Weatherbys!  ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Will, why don't you heed your own advice? "....but to protest against all hunting of game is a sign of softness of head, not of soundness of heart." Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Please, God, let this thread die, and soon. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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  Give a bull dog a bone, and stand back ! I didn't vote, because there is no choice there I could live with on all occasions. First off I don't like any of that cartredges mentioned in this thread other than the 500NE double rifle, and I'd rather have that than for the PH to have it. None of the other choices are cartridges that are suitable for a double rifle, and that is what I most often hunt with, especially on cape buffalo. In sceenario offered by the poll above, I would rather have a 9.3X74R double rifle than any of the bolt rifles listed including the 9.3X62. IMO, the poll would have been better if it had not been designed as a "STRAW MAN" and had been a real choice. Like, one list of rifles/chamberings for the PH, and a seperate list for the client to choose his rifle/chambering. With a third choice at the bottom as an identifier as to who is voting a PH, or a CLIENT. I think that would offer some real information, instead of simply stirring shit! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Man, you're sure hung up on this drunk stuff aren't you? Have you considered checking into a rehab facility or joining AA? About arguing with an idiot; I wasn't arguing with you, just giving you enough rope to hang yourself in your alcohol induced stupor. Just as a passing thought, in case you've sobered up and made it thru the hangover process sufficiently to comprehend this: Ganyan carries a 500-416 double DG hunting. Rich | |||
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is there any caliber which can stop a charging buff or elephant without hiting the right place? for exemple a gut shot with this caliber can put down any charging beast??? can a beast charge you dispite 9,3 x62 hiting the brain? Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | |||
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I don't think so. Taylor said a heavy blow to the head would sometimes turn an Elephant. Cape Buffalo, they don't break off a charge, unless you kill them. CNS shots only. Rich | |||
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AA is for quitters! . | |||
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yeah, I heard the biggest difference between drunks and alcoholics is that alcoholics have to go to meetings! Rich | |||
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I really don't want to get in a set Of Idaho crosshairs but.... A few years ago I hunted with CVS in South Africa and spent quite a bit of time with the founder Conraad Vermaak. Guess what he used for back up and considered just perfect for all but elephant. A lovely 9.3x62. He felt a confident cool hand with that rifle could easily do the job of backup. Vermaak told me in his opinion PHs who carry cannons are often a little too reckless and get hurt because they feel the big gun can pull their chestnuts out of the fire. As an aside, I don't understand the shots at Ganyana. I enjoy his posts and find his input very valuable. It is rare someone with his knowledge and experience takes the time to share it with us. Let's agree or disagree like gentlemen rather than seeing who can get the last word in. This post topic seems too personal to be factual to me.  | |||
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I will pick the 416 rigby,,, only because that is what I have, not due to any article written or pot shotting at folks. After July 2010 I will let you know how well it does on buffalo. it has risen to the task on bigger stuff....you kids play nice... you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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Md375, et al, that's the best part of this whole fandango: Ganyana carries a Double Rifle in 500-416 guiding clients. I'd love to tell you the rest of the story, but I don't want to spoil this donnybrook! The punch line is great!!! Rich | |||
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Cannot agree with this one, as I have seen this statement proven wrong more than once! | |||
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Geezes, Looking forward to Dallas so I can put faces with some of these posts.  | |||
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------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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If the 375 flanged is shooting 300 @ 2400 and the 9,3x62 is shooting a 286 @ 2400 do you think the animal knows the 14 grain and 9 thou difference?  577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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 ISS, quit digging. the support for your opinion is very UNDERwhelming.Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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An RPG???? just sayin.... | |||
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Must be some previously unknown mental condition causing people to obsessively worry over what rifle others are using. Maybe we should have a naming contest. | |||
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I agree but some people just love to see their name in print. Geezes, Looking forward to Dallas so I can put faces with some of these posts. Roll Eyes VFR Don't count on it most of the $hit disturbers are afraid to show up in person and if they do, they leave their "Keyboard courage" at home. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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We have been very fortunate at the AR parties at DSC in the past that every single attendee has been a lady or gentleman (at least as to getting into public fusses). I would hopefully expect that to continue regardless as to bizzarenss of internet behaviors. In other words, face to face, the ones that show up actually get along with each other. Let's continue that. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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What the honorable JudgeG said! Rich | |||
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Well, you've got Judge scared! ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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ROTFL!  You last three have brought such civility! | |||
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We try. It's just that occasionally we are very trying! I hope nobody took this too seriously. I have just been around Cape Buffalo enough and heard enough that a 105 would be my favorite shoulder fired weapon going after a wounded one. Ganyana has enough experience to be a cool hand under that sort of pressure. Rich | |||
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The proper way to go looking for a wounded buffalo: Taking the Dangerous out of DG JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I must say this has been a very ENTERTAINING thread,this is better than any soap opera's that my ex wife watches on t.v,you guys are great,you guys have a great sense of humor,got some really good laughs out of this one  DRSS | |||
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talk to ME, JudgeG!! Stirring Controversy on AR: it's a dirty, often thankless task, but dammit! somebody's got to do it! Rich | |||
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Like the .416 Rigby, but can I take my .500 Jeffery? I have only been on two safaris so far, with 3 buffalo and one elephant. But I personally would only hunt buffalo with cartridges beginning with a 4 or a 5; can't afford a 6. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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A buff with a 500J would be cool in my book. Just going Cape Buffalo hunting is wonderful. Rich | |||
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And if you would feel under gunned with a Stryker -you might enjoy moving up to the Big Boy (Archer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leYCwU7B8jI&NR=1 And if the Big Boy isn't enough -you might like Bandkanon 1C, 14 rounds of 155mm in 45 seconds (made by Bofors for the Swedish Army in the 1960.s): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...rZ7s&feature=related | |||
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