Anti-Hunters or Terrorists???

25 January 2014, 05:11

jdollar

quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Hey! Hey! Hey! Take it easy on the long haired dope head. Many years ago...........and I still have a few long HAIRS

Actually I'm getting some of that crap myself. Most recently I was called a C@#T and douchebag.

I did check into the Internet death threats a couple of years back when a member here threatened me. The local sheriff said there wasn't much that could be done unless the person physically showed up. That doesn't seem quite right to me.

Mark

at least he didn't call you a douche nozzle. and i bet i know who the member who threatened you is( the same one who threatened me)

seriously, Aaron, file an FBI report. let them deal with this scumbag.

25 January 2014, 05:13

Full Roar

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
i think andrew hit the nail on the head

Butchloc - Andrew knows me pretty well, he knows I'm not kidding. Fact is, I have been pretty adamant with a couple of them, when the threats have extended to my family. I honestly did offer some guy from Chicago to buy him a plane ticket, I was really upset with some of his threats against my loved ones.

However, its not going to accomplish anything! So from now on, I'm turning them over to law enforcement.

Corey's wife texted me this morning and wanted the screen shot from my FB message, where this clown just threatened me. Corey has a team of guys working with him on all the threats he's getting, so they are gonna look into this guy for me too.

Aaron

Would you be so kind as to be in Zimbabwe the 1st part of May so that I may send you some "threats" until you offer to send me a plane ticket to Zimbabwe. I would prefer Harare so I don't have to shuttle from Vic Falls
I'll start practicing on 4 letter words to use
thx bro - gonna save me a bunch of money

25 January 2014, 06:00

DCS Member

quote:
Originally posted by Full Roar:
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
i think andrew hit the nail on the head

Butchloc - Andrew knows me pretty well, he knows I'm not kidding. Fact is, I have been pretty adamant with a couple of them, when the threats have extended to my family. I honestly did offer some guy from Chicago to buy him a plane ticket, I was really upset with some of his threats against my loved ones.

However, its not going to accomplish anything! So from now on, I'm turning them over to law enforcement.

Corey's wife texted me this morning and wanted the screen shot from my FB message, where this clown just threatened me. Corey has a team of guys working with him on all the threats he's getting, so they are gonna look into this guy for me too.

Aaron

Would you be so kind as to be in Zimbabwe the 1st part of May so that I may send you some "threats" until you offer to send me a plane ticket to Zimbabwe. I would prefer Harare so I don't have to shuttle from Vic Falls
I'll start practicing on 4 letter words to use
thx bro - gonna save me a bunch of money

25 January 2014, 06:08

DCS Member

quote:
Unfortunately, unless the recipient of such a message has a clue as to who sent it, it is very hard to prosecute. If we know who probably sent the message, it isn't just too difficult to subpoena the records necessary to make an arrest. But getting the custodian of those records under subpoena to testify in court (you can't just put the records into evidence in a criminal trial) is generally prohibitively expensive

In Texas, the records can be admitted in a criminal trial along with a business records affidavit. It would also be the prosecution who would subpoena the records, as the recipient (Aaron, Corey, Ivan, et al) would be the complainant.

However, you are correct about the difficultly of prosecution.

25 January 2014, 06:34

Bill Collector

My take is that you should never reply to these idiots. When the threats are severe report them to the authorities. In the meantime walk softy and carry a big stick....or a 45ACP

25 January 2014, 07:01

DonW28

A mentor of mine once told me that 10 percent of people are passionate on each end of an issue and the 80 percent remaining don’t really care unless you give them a reason to care. I think Corey and Ivan and Aaron and many others are representing our 10 percent exactly like they need to and these folks that are posting the hate and profanity on the side of anti-hunting are hurting their cause more than they realize. People that don’t share a strong for or against passion tend to make their judgments on an issue on what they see and hear from those who represent each side. Right now we have the high ground because we are rational and articulate and backed up by proof. No matter how good we think it would feel—we need to resist any urge to say or do anything that brings us down to the level of the animal rights activists. We have and need to keep the moral high ground in this fight. Every threat they make undermines their cause with the vast majority of people. Don't forget that.

Regards,
Don

25 January 2014, 08:27

BRICKBURN

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
......

I was lucky enough to have been "asshole of the week", a few months back. Complete with a big collage of myself and the 13 lions I've killed, calling me the "Lion Killing Scumbag"! Holy cow, did that one get my inbox full of friendly messages.
.....

Aaron that is an award of high praise. Congratulations.

All of you folks in the public eye, please do stay safe and report these criminals.

25 January 2014, 10:14

lavaca

Aaron,

We've crossed swords before and then come to terms as gentlemen. I understand that all of us have a natural reaction to respond to a threat in kind. But, while most of these people are probably total pussies that will back down when faced with "getting their ass kicked", some may be total nut jobs.

I would urge you to report any threat to law enforcement. Even if they don't have enough to prosecute, in the unfortunate event something did happen, it would be documented. To be blunt, it might help solve your murder, or it might get you off if you were forced to inflict serious bodily harm on someone else.

25 January 2014, 14:48

leopards valley safaris

quote:
Originally posted by DonW28:
A mentor of mine once told me that 10 percent of people are passionate on each end of an issue and the 80 percent remaining don’t really care unless you give them a reason to care. I think Corey and Ivan and Aaron and many others are representing our 10 percent exactly like they need to and these folks that are posting the hate and profanity on the side of anti-hunting are hurting their cause more than they realize. People that don’t share a strong for or against passion tend to make their judgments on an issue on what they see and hear from those who represent each side. Right now we have the high ground because we are rational and articulate and backed up by proof. No matter how good we think it would feel—we need to resist any urge to say or do anything that brings us down to the level of the animal rights activists. We have and need to keep the moral high ground in this fight. Every threat they make undermines their cause with the vast majority of people. Don't forget that.

Regards,
Don

Exactly right. When we reply, we're not replying to the Fidiot, we're EDUCATING, the 80% who are being inquisitive .

So if we stay civil and give good evidence then the emotive rants are seen for what they are and they hang themselves.

Try and keep a well thought out response close by that can be cut an pasted again an again

Ignore the idiot ~ educate his friends.

25 January 2014, 14:56

shakari

Good point Dave...... when we were last targeted, we had umpteen death threats etc but amongst the messages, we had several polite enquiries asking us why we do what we do....... and we replied to them politely and explained.

Several of those people then agreed and understood that African hunting is a good thing.

25 January 2014, 15:52

Scriptus

One thing that is really noticeable with these dimwits is their command of the English language and their eloquence. They must be the products of the new substandard democratic education systems of the world.

25 January 2014, 18:33

bwana cecil

Not sure how I would handle this, but I would probably look like Pancho Villa everytime I left the house.

25 January 2014, 23:15

Frostbit

quote:
Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Not sure how I would handle this, but I would probably look like Pancho Villa everytime I left the house.

You'd need a new ride too!!

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26 January 2014, 00:22

AnotherAZWriter

quote:
Originally posted by DonW28:
A mentor of mine once told me that 10 percent of people are passionate on each end of an issue and the 80 percent remaining don’t really care unless you give them a reason to care. I think Corey and Ivan and Aaron and many others are representing our 10 percent exactly like they need to and these folks that are posting the hate and profanity on the side of anti-hunting are hurting their cause more than they realize. People that don’t share a strong for or against passion tend to make their judgments on an issue on what they see and hear from those who represent each side. Right now we have the high ground because we are rational and articulate and backed up by proof. No matter how good we think it would feel—we need to resist any urge to say or do anything that brings us down to the level of the animal rights activists. We have and need to keep the moral high ground in this fight. Every threat they make undermines their cause with the vast majority of people. Don't forget that.

Regards,
Don

wise words.

26 January 2014, 00:31

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by DonW28:
A mentor of mine once told me that 10 percent of people are passionate on each end of an issue and the 80 percent remaining don’t really care unless you give them a reason to care. I think Corey and Ivan and Aaron and many others are representing our 10 percent exactly like they need to and these folks that are posting the hate and profanity on the side of anti-hunting are hurting their cause more than they realize. People that don’t share a strong for or against passion tend to make their judgments on an issue on what they see and hear from those who represent each side. Right now we have the high ground because we are rational and articulate and backed up by proof. No matter how good we think it would feel—we need to resist any urge to say or do anything that brings us down to the level of the animal rights activists. We have and need to keep the moral high ground in this fight. Every threat they make undermines their cause with the vast majority of people. Don't forget that.

Regards,
Don

While I agree with the philosophy...I am just not sure the bolded portion still holds true...at least the 'vast' part. That majority dwindles more each day.

Twenty years ago...this would have been a non-issue and Vast majority true...today...not so much...I am afraid. That is why I wore my gun to DSC this year for the first time ever in my life.

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26 January 2014, 01:13

bwana cecil

quote:
You'd need a new ride too!!

I've got 3 of those, I just have to get to & from them.

26 January 2014, 03:54

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by Full Roar:
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
i think andrew hit the nail on the head

Butchloc - Andrew knows me pretty well, he knows I'm not kidding. Fact is, I have been pretty adamant with a couple of them, when the threats have extended to my family. I honestly did offer some guy from Chicago to buy him a plane ticket, I was really upset with some of his threats against my loved ones.

However, its not going to accomplish anything! So from now on, I'm turning them over to law enforcement.

Corey's wife texted me this morning and wanted the screen shot from my FB message, where this clown just threatened me. Corey has a team of guys working with him on all the threats he's getting, so they are gonna look into this guy for me too.

Aaron

Would you be so kind as to be in Zimbabwe the 1st part of May so that I may send you some "threats" until you offer to send me a plane ticket to Zimbabwe. I would prefer Harare so I don't have to shuttle from Vic Falls
I'll start practicing on 4 letter words to use
thx bro - gonna save me a bunch of money

Now that is funny!!!

26 January 2014, 03:56

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Hey! Hey! Hey! Take it easy on the long haired dope head. Many years ago...........and I still have a few long HAIRS

Actually I'm getting some of that crap myself. Most recently I was called a C@#T and douchebag.

I did check into the Internet death threats a couple of years back when a member here threatened me. The local sheriff said there wasn't much that could be done unless the person physically showed up. That doesn't seem quite right to me.

Mark

at least he didn't call you a douche nozzle. and i bet i know who the member who threatened you is( the same one who threatened me)
seriously, Aaron, file an FBI report. let them deal with this scumbag.

No, but somebody did post on the World of Sports Afield FB page one time - that I was in fact a "Douche Nozzle", for using the African carry with my rifle. Well, I was in Africa!!!

26 January 2014, 03:57

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Aaron,

We've crossed swords before and then come to terms as gentlemen. I understand that all of us have a natural reaction to respond to a threat in kind. But, while most of these people are probably total pussies that will back down when faced with "getting their ass kicked", some may be total nut jobs.

I would urge you to report any threat to law enforcement. Even if they don't have enough to prosecute, in the unfortunate event something did happen, it would be documented. To be blunt, it might help solve your murder, or it might get you off if you were forced to inflict serious bodily harm on someone else.

I actually turned over the info to Corey. He asked me for it, as he now has a team of folks working on all of these threats.

26 January 2014, 03:58

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
quote:
Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Not sure how I would handle this, but I would probably look like Pancho Villa everytime I left the house.

You'd need a new ride too!!

Jim - That's exactly what I need. You think it comes with one of these too?

26 January 2014, 05:35

ledvm

Just watch your back buddy. That's where these @$$holes would get you.

26 January 2014, 17:12

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Just watch your back buddy. That's where these @$$holes would get you.

Ain't that the truth!!!

26 January 2014, 20:20

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
That is why I wore my gun to DSC this year for the first time ever in my life.

Lane, you do know that DSC was correctly posted with the 30.06 No Trepass notification, right?

I had to go back to my truck an drop off a few "accessories" upon arriving that first day.

26 January 2014, 21:09

Michael Robinson

IMHO, one should never respond to any of these idiots. Report the threats to law enforcement, but don't otherwise even acknowledge their existence.

28 January 2014, 04:45

Wendell Reich

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
IMHO, one should never respond to any of these idiots. Report the threats to law enforcement, but don't otherwise even acknowledge their existence.

Exactly.

I had a guy email me twice this week. I didn't respond the first time, so he emailed again. real nice fella, wished that me and my children would "get cancer and die a slow painful death."

Responding only encourages them.

28 January 2014, 07:14

Sherrill Philip Neese

Aaron,

You mentioned that Corey has a team of people working with him on this. Does he have anyone helping out with his FB page?

The page has some issues. He has thousands of comments on his page and a good portion of these comments are garbage. Hate filled, death threats, vulgar, trouble causing, etc, etc. Comments that should, as Ivan put it, be deleted/banned/reported as they add nothing to a discussion…

If he needs/wants help with his FB, I would like to volunteer. I am a computer geek that loves to hunt. Did 22 years in the Marine Corps and am now in my mid-50's. I have been on FB for over three years and I am familiar with a running a page and know what's required. I believe that we can have civil discourse with those that disagree with us, but have no problem dealing with those that don't get with the program.

Having said the above, whether it's me or someone else, he needs to get someone working on the page. He has a chance to do some good things with it.

Sherrill

28 January 2014, 08:00

lavaca

Aaron:

I'm glad you are watching your six.

28 January 2014, 16:40

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by Sherrill Philip Neese:
Aaron,

You mentioned that Corey has a team of people working with him on this. Does he have anyone helping out with his FB page?

The page has some issues. He has thousands of comments on his page and a good portion of these comments are garbage. Hate filled, death threats, vulgar, trouble causing, etc, etc. Comments that should, as Ivan put it, be deleted/banned/reported as they add nothing to a discussion…

If he needs/wants help with his FB, I would like to volunteer. I am a computer geek that loves to hunt. Did 22 years in the Marine Corps and am now in my mid-50's. I have been on FB for over three years and I am familiar with a running a page and know what's required. I believe that we can have civil discourse with those that disagree with us, but have no problem dealing with those that don't get with the program.

Having said the above, whether it's me or someone else, he needs to get someone working on the page. He has a chance to do some good things with it.

Sherrill

Sherrill - I'm not sure about that? If you want to email me, I can get you in touch with him.

28 January 2014, 16:41

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Aaron:

I'm glad you are watching your six.

I'll definitely keep an eye out. Besides, my 9mm Glock gives me a little extra comfort.

Thanks for the concern bro!!!!

28 January 2014, 19:19

Wendell Reich

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Aaron:

I'm glad you are watching your six.

I'll definitely keep an eye out. Besides, my 9mm Glock gives me a little extra comfort.

Thanks for the concern bro!!!!

Ah yes, it's a soothing little back support isn't it!

28 January 2014, 20:19

Sherrill Philip Neese

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by Sherrill Philip Neese:
<snip>

Sherrill - I'm not sure about that? If you want to email me, I can get you in touch with him.

An email has been sent to your aol address.

28 January 2014, 21:19

Aaron Neilson

quote:
Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
quote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Aaron:

I'm glad you are watching your six.

I'll definitely keep an eye out. Besides, my 9mm Glock gives me a little extra comfort.

Thanks for the concern bro!!!!

Ah yes, it's a soothing little back support isn't it!

Surely is!!!

29 January 2014, 00:34

Greg Brownlee

This chick is a problem - She really hits all the anti hunting circuits and has featured quite a few of us on her "Asshole of the Week", including us twice (I'm flattered).

She digs up personal information and posts it all over the anti-hunting pages along with their photo. She's posted photos of our offices with the address and phone numbers saying people should "pay us a visit". Scary stuff, maybe the FBI should investigate her. Look at her photos, every single one of them is anti-hunting and most have death threats in them or insinuations of it.

Link to Psychopath's Facebook

29 January 2014, 00:46

Wendell Reich

Jeez, what an idiot. "Loremipsum" is an old two word phrase coined by typesetters years ago, it means absolutely nothing.

Interesting that that is what she chose as the last name to her imaginary online persona. She sure is a hateful bitch. Scroll through some of her posts. Jeez. I have better things to do than to sit and hate that much every single day.

Wonder how much she donated to wildlife conservation in the past year, or even 20 years.

29 January 2014, 01:43

Sherrill Philip Neese

Greg - I just looked at her page. I never knew you all were so popular. And to think we knew you way back when.

I was looking at Corey's FB page again. Some of the posts can be pretty entertaining… Then again, I was also informed by someone calling themselves "Jennifer Clark" that: "Did you know that the DSC supports sex with children overseas."
Good golly…

I guess the one benefit out of all of this is that it keeps these "individuals" off the streets. Who knows what trouble they could be getting into if they weren't there ranting about this and that.

29 January 2014, 02:14

Texas Blue Devil

She is nuts!!

29 January 2014, 05:32

Aaron Neilson

Greg - That's my buddy Caroline!!! She will never admit it publically, and why she keeps at it so hard - IDK? But, she has definitely changed her opinion/attitude over the past 6 months, certainly with me she has anyway. I killed her with kindness, and a lot of facts/knowledge, of which she had no choice but to acknowledge as reality.

29 January 2014, 06:00

Matt Graham

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Greg - That's my buddy Caroline!!! She will never admit it publically, and why she keeps at it so hard - IDK? But, she has definitely changed her opinion/attitude over the past 6 months, certainly with me she has anyway. I killed her with kindness, and a lot of facts/knowledge, of which she had no choice but to acknowledge as reality.

You broke her down eh?? You have that way...

29 January 2014, 07:55

Michael Robinson

quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Greg - That's my buddy Caroline!!! She will never admit it publically, and why she keeps at it so hard - IDK? But, she has definitely changed her opinion/attitude over the past 6 months, certainly with me she has anyway. I killed her with kindness, and a lot of facts/knowledge, of which she had no choice but to acknowledge as reality.

Great, Aaron.

I hope you realize that you are now just what she has always needed.

A boyfriend.

Not to mention, her only friend at all.

Good luck!