FRIENDS - SEE BELOW! ANTI HUNTING MOVEMENT, OR TERRORISTS IN ACTION???

Many of you have seen lately the monstrous amount of scrutiny that my good friend Corey Knowlton has been dealing with in regards to his upcoming Rhino Hunt! What I don't think a lot of folks realize is, some of us in the industry deal with this sort of thing on a fairly regular basis. See the THREAT below, that I just received this morning from another FB anti-hunting loony. My life's dedication to hunting the African Lion has over the years brought me a lot of these sort of threats. On average, I probably receive at least a couple each week - and I have for years now!!

I hunt the lion, in hopes of saving the lion!

This Morning's latest wake-up call for me.
"You're dead MOTHER FUCKER! You're DEAD I guarantee you this!! Do you know what Hitler did to the Jews? I'm going to do the same to YOU and YOUR FAMILY! I PROMISE YOU THIS!"

Aaron do you notify the police about these threats??

Sorry you have to go thru these threats from idiots.

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Originally posted by DTala:
Aaron do you notify the police about these threats??

Sorry you have to go thru these threats from idiots.

Not in the past, but I've decided that from now on - I am going to start.

I had a real nasty guy from Chicago about 6 months ago, who said the same things - and a whole lot more. We emailed back/forth for a week. I went so far as offering to buy his plane ticket to CO - and frankly, I was dead serious. This crap with these clowns is honestly getting way out of hand.

If this threat came through email or the post office, notify the FBI. Chances are whoever sent it is under surveillance. Extreme Animal rights activist and Eco-terrorist are high on the list

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Originally posted by Dall85:
If this threat came through email or the post office, notify the FBI. Chances are whoever sent it is under surveillance. Extreme Animal rights activist and Eco-terrorist are high on the list

Jim - This one was a FB message. But normally I get em from both FB, and on my email address as well. 99% of the time, they are about hunting the African Lion.

Not trying to sound like a tin foil hat alarmist, but such threats need to be taken seriously. My impressions of the anti's is that like any other group or sect, there are different layers of "Believers" for lack of a better term. Some of these folks are merely followers/ineffectual crackpots.

Others however, live this philosophy and for whatever reason become unreasoning zealots or terrorists, perfectly willing and capable of killing people if they feel that doing so will further their cause or ideology.

For the safety of your family/self/friends/associates, such threats need to be taken seriously. Nothing might ever happen to you or anyone close to you thru any of these threats, but is it worth the risk?

JMO, sorry that you are having to deal with such behaviors.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Not trying to sound like a tin foil hat alarmist, but such threats need to be taken seriously. My impressions of the anti's is that like any other group or sect, there are different layers of "Believers" for lack of a better term. Some of these folks are merely followers/ineffectual crackpots.

Others however, live this philosophy and for whatever reason become unreasoning zealots or terrorists, perfectly willing and capable of killing people if they feel that doing so will further their cause or ideology.

For the safety of your family/self/friends/associates, such threats need to be taken seriously. Nothing might ever happen to you or anyone close to you thru any of these threats, but is it worth the risk?

JMO, sorry that you are having to deal with such behaviors.

CHC - I agree! Planning to start taking these things more seriously.

As a professional trapper I also deal with these wackos all the time. The last time was when my father died. Some idiot e mailed me a long letter telling me how happy he was that he died and that I was next. Most of the time they just mess with my sets or steal my equipment. Trail cameras help a lot.

I've been told things because of ele hunting. Crazy people out there. I agree with CHC. Careful out there Aaron. See you in Vegas

Aaron, Sorry to hear this. Hope you do contact the FBI on these wackos and I hope this never stops you from doing the great work with lions as Africa without lions would be a very sad thing. Hang in there brother.

I hope they get the bastard and lock him up for a few years!

What sort of idiot goes as far as to threaten another individual who has never done him any hard?

Thing is Aaron this vile mouthed little fucker is some long haired dope head who sits on his greasy couch injecting himself with house hold products.

Good call inviting him around for some boxing. Can you put that on you tube for us all to enjoy?

I get them quite regularly as well, and I've never even killed a lion OR rhino I used to handle them with humor and mess around with them a bit, but now I just ignore the ones calling me a murderer and report the serious ones.

I had a guy say he was going to drive an "11 ton bomb to my office and blow the entire building up" last year. Comforting.

My response to him though? "How are you going to get an 11 ton bomb down roads that are clearly marked with a 10 ton limit?"

I did end up reporting that one though as my condescending reply realllllyy set him off.

Anyone ever have anything come of these threats. Either someone trying to follow through with it or the police taking action against?

I would take it seriously. It is kinda if funny we take this shit sometimes with a grain of salt. I had made up my mind at DSC if confronted by anti's I was going to strike hard and fast and see how the like a Glock in their mouth. I could be wrong but seems like most hunters we just blow it off and turn the other check to try and be the better person. Last month Ivan Carter was attacked on F.B. along with everybody who responded to his pic with his son and a fish. The comments were terrible then the people who did it disappeared and couldn't locate them, probably fake names. We need to stay strong and diligent because they are so focused on us.

While most of these fools are just keyboard heroes, you might start going armed just in case. You never know. I do believe that calling the FBI and the local authorities would be in order. Let them follow up and if they can, press charges.

In many cases this will be the same person or group. Every report will help law enforcement track them down. Bomb threats are taken very seriously. Eco terrorists are more than words not only do you need to be vigilant, your family does also.

This is serious and needs to be treated accordingly.

Hey! Hey! Hey! Take it easy on the long haired dope head. Many years ago...........and I still have a few long HAIRS

Actually I'm getting some of that crap myself. Most recently I was called a C@#T and douchebag.

I did check into the Internet death threats a couple of years back when a member here threatened me. The local sheriff said there wasn't much that could be done unless the person physically showed up. That doesn't seem quite right to me.

Mark

i feel you aaron , its a tough deal when the first few minutes of your day is deleting vile posts - this was an interesting day after someone posted a pic of me on the facebook page "stop trophy hunting now " their page today displays a pic of corey with a dikdik and the caption is "who wishes he would die of cancer" - many people have retirted that thats an awful thing to post however its an indication of how emotionally influenced these folks are !

i have deleted the worst death threats in case my wife ever checked ....

the reality folks is that these guys are just radicals but at the same time there are few if any hunters that will engage with the more "sane" questions and not necessarily anti hunters but people genuinely asking questions ...i implore you to respond in a mature adult manner , posts like the below simply "delete>ban>report>" its that simple , others however deserve a good reply ...



Andy Pacino
You are a filthy piece of crap and it's time someone scraped you off the shoe. I hope you die slowly, you scumbag.
Kathy McCarthy
Your a heartless piece of shit scum bag,Maybe a lion will rip the shit out of you.All us animal lovers want to see you go down and get fucked up and ripped apart.Leave the animals live like there suppose to.You are scum of the earth
Fabian Salamon
kill yourself you sick cunt....that would be conservation through hunting with a purpose ...
Greg Sapp
You're a poor excuse for a "man".
Leave your pussy weapons home and come to me, fist to fist. I'd end you.
PUSSY
Kevin Desmond
You fucking piece of shit !! You god damn low life scum sucking bastard !!! You god damn fucking sorry ass pussy bitch !!! You are no man ... you are a fucking disgusting heartless mother fucker and I hope and PRAY to god some animal rips you apart because that is what trash like you deserves !!!!!

Here are some that were on the photo of my son trail and me with a snapper that we caught together ..

Brian Degrelle
Ivan ,how many times a week do you sodomize the little fella?
Inge Pleschette
He is a breeder of next generations of murderers. His messages about family and things that really matter are devils messages to destroy the whole world!
abian Salamon
hoping you and your family all die soon ..preferably in a horrible way so that shit like you doesn't further pollute this planet
arra Marie
You are fucking evil. Teaching a child to be heartless as you. What the fuck is wrong with you. I hope karma eats you alive
Susan Lloyd
Poor fucked up kids with you as their father.... I would spit on you scum bitch you are


appologies for the profanity in this post- most uncomfortable -
have a nice day people !

We've also been targeted a time or two & the FB abuse is reported to FB, life threatening ones etc go straight to the police of the country of origin AND to the server that they came from & ordinary abusive ones just get ignored.

The UK antis are some of the worst & in about 1995 I was targeted by a bunch & the police had me checking under my car for bombs before getting in it, my incoming calls were recorded & traced & all my post scanned for explosives etc.

The good news is these attacks always result in increased traffic to your website & that translates to higher ratings from the search engines.

Fok 'em!

aaron who is the guy that sent you that message post the link here to his page ...

I feel bad for all who gets these threats. I would bet 99.9 % vote democratic who make the threats.

Boy! The Internet has really created some mighty brave soles. I'd bet 90% of these Internet bullys would not say a thing to your face. It takes real courage or stupidity to threaten someone's life and family in person.

Mark

i think andrew hit the nail on the head

Ivan - Speaking of the FB page, "Stop Trophy Hunting Now", ya I know that one well.

I was lucky enough to have been "asshole of the week", a few months back. Complete with a big collage of myself and the 13 lions I've killed, calling me the "Lion Killing Scumbag"! Holy cow, did that one get my inbox full of friendly messages.

This morning's genius is some guy named Ashton Keith Shiraz, from FB. He's been threatening me for awhile now!

Greg - I too would engage them in the past, mostly with humor. Nowadays I just ignore it, too time consuming.

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Originally posted by butchloc:
i think andrew hit the nail on the head

Butchloc - Andrew knows me pretty well, he knows I'm not kidding. Fact is, I have been pretty adamant with a couple of them, when the threats have extended to my family. I honestly did offer some guy from Chicago to buy him a plane ticket, I was really upset with some of his threats against my loved ones.

However, its not going to accomplish anything! So from now on, I'm turning them over to law enforcement.

Corey's wife texted me this morning and wanted the screen shot from my FB message, where this clown just threatened me. Corey has a team of guys working with him on all the threats he's getting, so they are gonna look into this guy for me too.

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Originally posted by shakari:
We've also been targeted a time or two & the FB abuse is reported to FB, life threatening ones etc go straight to the police of the country of origin AND to the server that they came from & ordinary abusive ones just get ignored.

The UK antis are some of the worst & in about 1995 I was targeted by a bunch & the police had me checking under my car for bombs before getting in it, my incoming calls were recorded & traced & all my post scanned for explosives etc.

The good news is these attacks always result in increased traffic to your website & that translates to higher ratings from the search engines.

Fok 'em!

Steve - You are right about that!!! The worst ones I generally get are from folks in the UK??

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Boy! The Internet has really created some mighty brave soles. I'd bet 90% of these Internet bullys would not say a thing to your face. It takes real courage or stupidity to threaten someone's life and family in person.

Mark

I noticed the guy that posted Corey's contact info, address, driver license number, etc. on Corey's Facebook page, which has Corey's real name on it, posted them under some bogus alias FB page name.

BTW Aaron, that post certainly needs to be given to the FBI. It certainly qualifies as a "terroristic threat".

Honest question for you guys. Do you see a real benefit to having your activates on these social media sites that outweighs these negatives? I am in no way a professional but even I got sick of people sticking their noses in my business when I would get tagged in somebodies photo, etc. I have deleted my accounts long ago.

Despite what the senders/posters who use aliases and/or dodgy email addresses to send/post threatening messages think, most can be easily traced.

The question is will the police farces around the world take the threats seriously enough to pursue the matter as they should.

Many days...I wonder how the world has changed so much over the last decade...especially the USA.

Aaron buddy...I hate it for you...dam!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Many days...I wonder how the world has changed so much over the last decade...especially the USA.

Aaron buddy...I hate it for you...dam!

Thanks bro!!!!

Mucking forons

Not much by way of a sentence but better than nothing.

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Honest question for you guys. Do you see a real benefit to having your activates on these social media sites that outweighs these negatives? I am in no way a professional but even I got sick of people sticking their noses in my business when I would get tagged in somebodies photo, etc. I have deleted my accounts long ago.


Mac

I had shut my FB page down as well until listening to Ivan Carter talk about engagement at DSC. We have the old "when in Rome" argument here and if we as hunters aren't on these social media sites then someone else is telling all the story. It is easy for me to "like" Ivan and Corey and I guess Arron needs a "like" right now too. What I don't do though is open my FB to the public. Luckily I have few friends and they all know the deal.

I don't envy the guys that are having to do the heavy lifting for the hunting community.

Don

When someone threatens you or yours with violence, in most states-- including Wisconsin, where I am a prsecutor-- a criminal act has occured. Unfortunately, unless the recipient of such a message has a clue as to who sent it, it is very hard to prosecute. If we know who probably sent the message, it isn't just too difficult to subpoena the records necessary to make an arrest. But getting the custodian of those records under subpoena to testify in court (you can't just put the records into evidence in a criminal trial) is generally prohibitively expensive for our budgets. And if you have no idea who sent the message, you can imagine how much harder actually getting someone convicted is. AND if they are sending the message from another state or country, prosecution is probably impossible.

Still, you should report the incident to law enforcement. It may at least set up a record that can be used in a future prosecution. I would definitely not just ignore a message from someone saying they are going to blow up your house, kill your family, etc.

Aaron, went thru this last year with A rhino we shot, I HAD 100S OF death threads, they went as far as to contact my reference list and start threating my clients. I had to shut down my face, and website for A month. I did managed to talk to one of these wacos and that made my day!! To put in bluntly he will not send me a Christmas card! Good luck. Cheers Phillip

This crap is one of the reasons that I have not EVER been on FB. Wouldn't even know how to start and don't want to.
Aaron, invite them all to CO and we'll have a turkey shoot!

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Not trying to sound like a tin foil hat alarmist, but such threats need to be taken seriously. My impressions of the anti's is that like any other group or sect, there are different layers of "Believers" for lack of a better term. Some of these folks are merely
followers/ineffectual crackpots.

Others however, live this philosophy and for whatever reason become unreasoning zealots or terrorists, perfectly willing and capable of killing people if they feel that doing so will further their cause or ideology.

For the safety of your family/self/friends/associates, such threats need to be taken seriously. Nothing might ever happen to you or anyone close to you thru any of these threats, but is it worth the risk?

JMO, sorry that you are having to deal with such behaviors.

CHC - I agree! Planning to start taking these things more seriously.

Do not know you but I certainly do not think you are a fool.

With the laws being what they are today it is foolish, very foolish if you do no take the time to print out, and report every threat made against you to the proper authorities. That may save you big time one day. There are a lot of sick people out there and they are getting sicker.

Secondly: NEVER engage these people in conversation, that may result in huge problems for yourself one day. If you never respond, report the incident as required then no one EVER can accuse you of anything.

Do not want to ever see you hurt or having problems answering a load of false accusations.

No good deed ever goes un-punished.

Strange as it may seem I believe we are making progress as more and more hunters are seeing the benefits of hunting-to people and wildlife.Sights like this as well as the TV shows are going a long way towards educating people.the TV shows are really helping alot,IMO.
The message is, this is what we do,this is normal,and this is why we do it.