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One thing that I have learned from this, is that if you back up during a charge, there is a high probablity that you will trip and fall. I have seen it on several charges on TV shows and it has happened to me. BE WARNED!

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One thing that I have learned from this, is that if you back up during a charge, there is a high probablity that you will trip and fall. I have seen it on several charges on TV shows and it has happened to me. BE WARNED!

465H&H

Yes, I thought this was an important learning point also. I honestly do not know if I could stand stock still with death running to me, but looks like "stand and deliver" is the order of the day!
 
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Best wishes to the injured.

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Posts: 1131 | Location: Spain (Madrid) | Registered: 11 June 2008Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by D'Angelico Fan:
THANK GOD NO ONE IS DEAD! Prayers for Stu and client, Mr. Herald.
Originally by Mr Herald:

" I assumed he was going away, but then everyone in front of me parted,
and I could see the black mass coming straight at us.

I tried to walk backwards as I was bringing up my .458, but after
a couple steps, I tripped and fell backwards. As I fell, I hit the
trigger and my gun discharged.
"

The third word in the quote, {in RED } refers to the buffalo being hunted.
The three sentences in GREEN tell us what went wrong and what we must
train our minds and bodies NOT to do!

The bull was close and decided to come at the party. The party knew the bull was close before the charge.
Mr Herald ASSUMED the bull was going away. I have learned from this report that I must train my mind to
ASSUME the beast is COMING, NOT FLEEING when in a similar situation. Mr. Herald tried to walk backwards
in the bush while in the stressful situation of facing a charge, with his rifle pointed toward his PH's
back, and trigger finger very near or on the trigger. I have learned to try to train my mind to NOT walk backwards
when facing a charge! It's a powerful instinct I'm sure. But this walking backwards in the imperfect footing
of the bush is SO likely to cause a trip/fall that we MUST train our minds to fight the instinct!

Pointing the gun at the PH's back speaks for itself. We are never to point our firearms at any one that we
are not willing to DESTROY! Finger near enough to trigger that during the fall the trigger is manipulated
and the rifle fires. We must train ourselves to [b]CONTROL
what is going on with our TRIGGER during every fraction
of every second when holding a firearm. Again this is what I've learned from Mr Heralds words.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
One thing that I have learned from this, is that if you back up during a charge, there is a high probablity that you will trip and fall. I have seen it on several charges on TV shows and it has happened to me. BE WARNED!

465H&H

On page three of this thread this D'Fan guy posted what he had learned from reading Tim's post, and soon thereafter he wound up in many exchanges defending his position about "fault" etc. Now a few posts up 465 H&H points out that he sees the act of walking backwards in these circumstances as a clearly identifiable component of the unintended shooting of Stu. That's one of the things D'Fan pointed out. Others between D'Fan's post and 465H&H's post above have asserted positions of blame, fault, etc. If your employment is of the type that you may need to shoot a gun then in my opinion if you shoot the gun you are responsible for what the bullet does when you fire. If your recreation involves shooting a gun the same applies to you. If you fire a gun in your home one night at 3 am at a suspected intruder the same applies to you, especially if it's NOT an intruder, but grandma' instead, and so on. This thread is talking about maiming people and in some cases killing people, unintended though it is. Serious topic needs serious attention. We HAVE TO work to reduce the number of these unintended shootings. We HAVE TO. We have to analyze every one that happens and use the info to make hunting safer.


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My reference was not to what Sullivan does. It was to the proven value of mental preparation.

He shows very clearly in all of his videos how to effectively deal with dangerous game in the last 30 yards of a terminal charge. This is first and foremost dealt with in the mind through visualising the charge, the action you will take and the outcome.
Mind over matter wins every time.

If you take the time to read his books, or watch his video, "In the Face of Death" you will get insight into how he prepares his mind to deal with a charge.

One thing that you can take to the bank, is that you should hold your shot until the animal breaks 10 yards or turns away. By doing that you increase the size of the target you are aiming at and you ensure that should the animal turn away you have a perfect heart lung shot as he passes.

Whether you like his methods or not, Mark Sullivan has proven his way of dealing with charges 100%.
I will try and condense what I have gleaned from him

1. Prepare your mind to deal with every possible scenario
2. Wait until it breaks 10 yards
3. Shoot for the Brain or CNS (even a 700 Nitro does stuff all on a chest shot, he tested it)
4. Hold your second shot for when the animal is on you, in-case your first shot to the CNS was not accurate
5. Anything less than a 458 Lott or 500 Nitro is not adequate for close up charges
6. Two barrels are better than 1.

I really wish everyone would take the time to switch off their personal egos and realise that no matter how much you think you know, there is always something to be learned.
Mark Sullivan has gathered a library of footage that shows almost every terminal situation a hunter may encounter in a worst case scenario, if you watch each of them and use that mental image to prepare yourself to do the same, you will never falter or fail.


I picked up this post whilst reading about the Appeal for Stu Taylor who was an Apprentice hunter under my company years ago, and I could not believe that the above author would quote Mark Sullivan as an authority on Buffalo Hunting.

With all due respect to you sir, Mark may have stopped a couple of charges on movie but hardly has any dangerous game experince when you consider the fact that he was not born in Africa, had no formal apprenticeship and more than likely has shot less than 100 Buffalo himself. Alot of his movies were taken in light cover not thick saga saga, or Jesse and most were easily visible.

Acouple of things in your preperation breakdown that may need correction.

1. Shot placement rather than calibre is the most important thing on charging Buffalo and a spine shot is always better than an attempted brain shot. Go for where the neck joins the shoulder and spine him, the brain is a small target and one that tends to move around on a charge.

2. Most serious Buffalo charges happen from 20 yards or less in thick cover and a Buffalo can cover 20 yards on a charge in less than a couple seconds, so take the shot when you can, cause you most likely will only have time for one shot in thick cover.

Perhaps a contribution from some of the African Professional Hunters with long term experince would be helpful, PH's such as Robin Hurt, Danny McCallum, Geoff Broom, Raoul Romoani, Paul Grobler, Dougie Wright, Gerard Miller etc PH'S who have in excess of 30 years of experince and survival in this business. Remember there are old Hunters and Bold Hunters but no old bold hunters.
 
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I assume Russ B is Russ Broom. Welcome to AR. I know your father and have had the pleasure of spending some quality time with him when his book was released. I agree with all your points on M Sullivan. Hopefully, you will find a lot of new friends on AR. Welcome.

Larry


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I assume Russ B is Russ Broom. Welcome to AR. I know your father and have had the pleasure of spending some quality time with him when his book was released. I agree with all your points on M Sullivan. Hopefully, you will find a lot of new friends on AR. Welcome.

Larry

Thanks Larry I am a new member on this site and I must say find it constuctive.
 
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