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As is anyone who gets involved in the seized land which is why I asked the questions above that I'll repeat: Is it General Constantine Chiwenga and his wife Jocelyn (as previously suggested) (who are both on the banned list) or is it someone else and are they on the banned list or not? (This one appears to have been answered) Also, do Kalulu operate/market there and if so, in partnership with whom? Also, who is Chaporonga and is he connected to the company named? He certainly leapt into the fray with what seemed to be informed, albeit biased and twisted opinion. Whoever he is and whatever company he's connected with (if any) he obviously doesn't care that the 'white oppressors' could be prosecuted and face serious penalties for hunting on seized land. | |||
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From the threats Chaparonga made in Shona...I would not be surprised if it was Jocelyn herself! At the very least...it must have been a ZANU-PF affiliate. | |||
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since my Shona is a bit weak, maybe someone could translate the threats for the rest of us??? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I was thinking the same thing. | |||
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makes me wonder if the SOB made a list of screen names and maybe i better not go back to Zim!!! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Here is the meaning of the words that was written in Shona "The former white people who grabbed our country and riches your mothers." Does this person, read POS, think that we cannot find out what he said. This POS clearly hates white people but he will take their money and does not give a damn if they get in trouble back in their own countries. Bloody hypocrite. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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The stangest thing about these twisted pricks is the claim that whites stole their land, yet when speaking to Rhodesians, you will hear repeatedly that when they bought their land, or as in the case of WW2 returning servicemen, allocated, there was no one, not a soul, not a building or dwelling for miles. They had to hack and tame the bush, build their infrastructure, lay in irrigation, build dams, roads and the rest. They got the land productive. Along come these thieving parasites, claiming theft of their ancestral homes and reversing all that was good. Allowing their own people to starve and suffer for the sake of their Afro Socialist horseshit. Of course we must not forget the Jimmy Carters, the Nordic Countries, the World Council of Churches, the UN and other assorted liberal wankers who have a hand in producing the shameful mess that is Southern Africa today. | |||
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To say nothing of successive British Governments who went out of their way to betray their own people in the name of Political Correctness. Where is the bloody useless bastard thingy when you want it!  | |||
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Let's not forget the British Government's leading role in the creation of the bag of shit that we now call Zimbabwe!!!!!! Go Duke!! | |||
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Let's call that numerous British Governments - Rhodesia finally fell in Thatcher's time (and I doubt it really pleased her), but from Harold Wilson onward .... Perfidious Albion - Southern Rhodesia was the colony / dominion with the highest percentage of volunteers in WWII. (according to legend) I know my homeland (RSA) wasn't keen on partaking in WWII and the question there was "Which side?". The Boers had already seen concentration camps at first hand .... so no conscription in RSA. Sorry, I'm getting far from the original post ..... apologies. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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You know the old saying...the "Southern Rhodesians were more British than the British". The British definitely let them down and so did we the Americans. Mainly due to the poor foreign policy of Jimmy Carter. I just wish Reagan would have taken the time to see what had happened. But...the other old saying is "two wrongs don't make a right" so aiding and abetting the Communist that took over the country does NOT help anything now. Those of us that know what the leftover Rhodesians face daily and how good of people they really are MUST stand up for them! | |||
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Enough is enough. Everyone knows that Rob Styles (who is a ZPHGA member) of Buffalo Range Safaris is partners with general Chiwenga in Matetsi 6. But why is he singled out when there are numerous other Zimbabwe outfitters who post here on AR regularly (if not daily) who also are in business and will continue to do business with those on the banned list. Is it time to reveal names? | |||
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Meaning you want to pop the lid on Pandora's box? This should really be interesting ! | |||
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It should be time to do so, when you consider that it is against U.S. Federal law to deal with those on the banned list. Who wants to throw away their hunting trophies and hunt? | |||
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Oh Oh! Do I smell a TROLL????    | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nkomo: Enough is enough. Everyone knows that Rob Styles (who is a ZPHGA member) of Buffalo Range Safaris is partners with general Chiwenga in Matetsi 6. But why is he singled out when there are numerous other Zimbabwe outfitters who post here on AR regularly (if not daily) who also are in business and will continue to do business with those on the banned list. Is it time to reveal names?[/QUOTE Who are these people ? If they do post here, I would like to know who they are. I honestly have no idea. | |||
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As Stewart Varney recently commented to an interviewee : " You are entitled to your own opinion , but you are NOT entitled to your own facts!" Perhaps Martin Pieters can assist in determining who leases Unit 6 and the ownership? Les | |||
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You are right...facts are facts. | |||
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Dave, While this does show timely interest on the part of PHASA, and I am sure it is appreciated by the parties involved. But what about the South African PH arrested and convicted in this case? Where does PHASA stand on that issue? And by the way, I wonder who was the South African, driving his own SA registered high end Toyota SUV, accompanied by the PH that is known to book hunts for the occupiers of the Woodlands? He was there this last weekend. Looking at hunting opportunities? Looked a little surprised to run into a Land Cruiser full of legal hunters on the border road!!! Oops! Les | |||
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Not sure les? Just got the news letter so I shared it.I don't think they are PHASA members Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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QUOTE You are right...facts are facts.[/QUOTE) This is true. But most of your facts seem not to be! | |||
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Oh contraire.  | |||
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Yes it is time to reveal your facts but i am sure you will not ! Coming here just as you did it is not fair for a lot of fellow hunters like me that are very interested to know your facts , if any !! Post your facts or else stay home watching tv if you have nothing more interesting to do. | |||
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In regards to Matetsi Unit 6...in the days of old...Geoff Broom held that concession. Geoff does have an AR membership...maybe he can tell us about the block's history. Although I am certain of the facts I post. | |||
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I find it curious that the Style family came into Zimbabwe over one hundred years ago and turned a hundred thousand acres of land that was deemed uninhabital by humans to one of the most prestigious concessions in the entire country. During the land invasion squatters flooded onto the property and destroyed the entie property including killing all of the abundance of game that was present and clearing land of trees that took generations to grow. Point being if Buffalo Range is in "partnership" with the defactor ruler of Zimbabwe a simple phone call from the general would have stopped the invasion. A retired general showed up with a group of his thugs at the farm managers house, moved the entire contents of his house ouside and told him to vacate as he no longer lived there and prceeded to steal all of the farm equipment on the farm.. Again a call from the general wuold have put a stop to this. Unit 6 is not owned by the Chiwenge's, by the way they are no longer married and Jocelyn has run the consession for a long time (To be sure she is no bowquet of roses) The concession is leased which will expire and will then be put up to auction. True U.S. citizens cannot hunt there. However, many from Spain, Germany, Canada and Russia do hunt the concession. I wonder under the circumstances if the property was not on the basnned list how many U.S. citizens wuold hunt maybe one of the top concessions in the country,or other outfitters that would jump and the chance to hunt there. Without a doubt Buffalo Range is the outfitter that was hired by Joyceln to do the majortiy of hunts in unit 6. I also find it curious that soon as Unit 6 was mentioned a couple of new guys show up with their postings? Would hope there is no conflict of interest here. | |||
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Finally, someone gets it right. | |||
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At the moment it is not compulsory for outfitters and/or ph's to be a member of a professional hunting organisation, it is in the process to change, if the ph is not a member of a professional body there is nothing they can do. DEAT can act and withdraw his license, but that remains to be seen. There are so much technical legal stuff involved that helps guilty people get off the hook. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Sadly, without one actually stating his full name and job description, one cannot be too sure about conflict of interest. This is the Internet, and one must make educated guesses at best. | |||
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Yes it does certainly seem likely that jealousy or greed inspires these anonymous detractors. They have made up facts or rumor and used them to their own advantage. They can hide behind their "Cow-" if they like but word always gets around. | |||
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Basically...everything I have stated has been corroborated by another poster. Some of the specific facts to the "hows", "whens", and "whos" are not 'exactly the same' but I don't totally agree with all the semantics either. But the basic fact that if you hunted Matetsi Unit 6...you hunted "seized land" is undisputed. And if you are a US citizen and you hunted Matetsi Unit 6 you did business with a person on the banned list. And if you were an outfitter advertising hunts for Matetsi 6 you were fronting for the Chiwengas. And 100% guaranteed...I have no conflict of interest. | |||
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Well, just because another person here has equally incorrect information does not make yours correct. ie - Russ Broom had Unit 4 while Lew Games had Unit 6. Both for a short period after which they left the areas after irregularities were discovered. The Chiwengas BOUGHT the LEASE some years ago [after the above departures I believe] It is now completely owned by the Kazengula Wildlife Safari which is controlled completely by Jocelyn Chiwenga, [the former wife of the General, who is no longer involved]and is completely indigenous. I'm not sure how this makes it seized land as it is awarded exactly as the other Matetsi Hunting Area LEASES. In fact, prior to these hunting leases, the area was run by the Forestry Commission safari company, Ngamo Safaris, for many years. The fact that Jocelyn Chiwenga's name is "on the list" does in fact prevent US hunters from hunting there. There have been no US hunters in Unit 6 since 2005, the year of the listing. [at least no hunter using the legal hunting operators under the control and guidance of the Parks. So, while "...Some of the specific facts to the "hows", "whens", and "whos" are not 'exactly the same..." The story is substantially different to your opinions. It is clear that you have some sort of grudge to settle and are not likely to change your opinion, so I will not attempt further to change your opinions. Perhaps you should discuss it with the parties involved. Now lets get back to arresting poachers, and investigating crooked officials. I hope we can all agree on THAT! | |||
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You are missing the point. If your name was/is Chiwenga...you are part of the crooked officials. Dealing and doing business with Jocelyn Chiwenga is akin to doing business with John Joseph Gotti, Jr or Robert Mugabe hisself or both mixed together. | |||
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Gentlemen, The way I understand it, we have two separate problems with hunting in Zimbabwe. One is hunting on farms which used to belong to individuals or families and then were confiscated from them. Those are farms I will not even consider hunting on. The second thing is government concessions, which are put out for auction - whether those auctions are transparent or not is immaterial. As I understand it the powers in the land have made it simple that unless one has a sort of "partner", one will not get the concession. The "partner" could be on the US banned list, which means our friends from the US are advised not to do business with them. Hunters from other parts of the world are free to choose for themselves. | |||
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For the record...when I used the term "owned"...I meant the Chiwenga's 'owned' the Matetsi 6 lease. | |||
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I think allowing members to post under multiple aliases is a big mistake. It seems to me a precedent was set by allowing lonestar2075 to post under multiple aliases, and now it seems every topic that might be the least bit controversial we have people showing up, who obviously post here regularly under different screen names, and making wild accusations. I do not believe anything any of them say, because if they did not have something to hide they would be posting under their regular screen name. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Or...one could fear repercussion while in-country for just pointing out the truth. | |||
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