Mike,why did u ask Joe Da Silva about hunting in Zimbabwe when you knew for sure that he have a zimbabwean contact who is a PH.Surely his zimbabwean patner/ PH was going to explain beter. It is clear that it was not a genuine enquiry but you knew he was going to make mistakes and nail him.why would you fake an enquiry to nail someone. Your motive is clear because u even saved the the emails for future refrence. That info is irelavant because he is not Zimbabwean.If you were not sure why didnt you ask Mashonganyika.

Ah u guys are confused. Now what about the General being on the ban list. Banned by who and why do u want to open a discusion on that. What is this forum all about? Is it about hunting or Zimbabwean politics?

Labdad, it is good that u are using a nick name. Are u sure of what you are saying. What other offences did he comit and do you have any case numbers to prove your point. Please dont rely on rumours and baseless facts. One day,One day.....

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Mike,why did u ask Joe Da Silva about hunting in Zimbabwe when you knew for sure that he have a zimbabwean contact who is a PH.Surely his zimbabwean patner/ PH was going to explain beter. It is clear that it was not a genuine enquiry but you knew he was going to make mistakes and nail him.why would you fake an enquiry to nail someone. Your motive is clear because u even saved the the emails for future refrence. That info is irelavant because he is not Zimbabwean.If you were not sure why didnt you ask Mashonganyika.

That may be one of the dumbest statements I have read on this forum . . . and that is a standard that is tough to beat. If the person is conducting their operations in a proper way, what difference does it make if the inquiry was sincere or not? If the person is conducting himself as he should, why would he care? Sort of like criminals blaming the police for conducting a sting operation and catching them . . . if you had not done the sting then you would not have caught me doing wrong. It completely turns logic on its head.

I wonder why, if you are so much in favor of transparency and all, you elected to use a screen name and not just post under your real name. What do you have to hide?

Is this guy making veiled threats?

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Is this guy making veiled threats?

Sounds like it!

Oh Sh@t, I hope this guy doesn't work for the IRS.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Ah u guys are confused. Now what about the General being on the ban list. Banned by who and why do u want to open a discusion on that. What is this forum all about? Is it about hunting or Zimbabwean politics?

Specially Designated Persons.

Illegal for US citizens to do business with him.


http://www.treasury.gov/resour...s/Documents/zimb.pdf

http://sdnsearch.ofac.treas.gov/

Type in Chiwenga in the search field and see for your self.

Banned by Who? The US Government
Why open a discussion: To help people not commit a crime by doing business with persons on the SDN banned list.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Mike,why did u ask Joe Da Silva about hunting in Zimbabwe when you knew for sure that he have a zimbabwean contact who is a PH.Surely his zimbabwean patner/ PH was going to explain beter. It is clear that it was not a genuine enquiry but you knew he was going to make mistakes and nail him.why would you fake an enquiry to nail someone. Your motive is clear because u even saved the the emails for future refrence. That info is irelavant because he is not Zimbabwean.If you were not sure why didnt you ask Mashonganyika.

You may want to refer to the contact info on their website.

http://kalulusafaris.com/contact.asp

Since Joe is the Operations Manager and "Mash" is the PH, it made sense to email the guy in charge, not the guy in the field just as I have done with every hunt I have made.


From their Home Page:

"We are a very young big game hunting safari company in Zimbabwe. The company was established by P.H. Joe da Silva who is the owner and operator of Cape Town Hunting Safaris and Tours based in Cape Town. Joe has over 25 years of hunting experience covering Zambia, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Namibia and South Africa."

With 25 years of experience I would have thought Joe would have known.

BTW, I want to hunt Matetsi. I am just trying to distinguish the posers from the legit operators.

It seems to me that some here have a serious problem with public relations. Threatening potential customers can't be good for Zimbabwe nor the particular safari company in question.

These hunts are our vacations. We have a choice of where to go. While I dearly love going to Zim, I don't need this kind of bull shit in my life. Personally, I quit going to TZ over some of their government BS. I spent the money in Zim instead. With people like these in Zim, that could change in the future.

In case you guys don't understand, the "banned list" is not politics for us here in the US. We can be put in jail for going on a trip with people on the list. Like it or not, agree or disagree, right or wrong, I am not going to jail over something like this.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Ah u guys are confused. Now what about the General being on the ban list. Banned by who and why do u want to open a discusion on that. What is this forum all about? Is it about hunting or Zimbabwean politics?

This is a hunting forum.

But, when Zimbabwe comes into the discussion, after so many farms were confiscated, the USA made a criminal offence to deal with certain individuals in the Zimbabwe government.

And as so many of these government officials are involved in some of the safari companies operating in Zimbabwe. It is very prudent for any American to be very careful who they deal with them.

I have hunted in Zimbabwe for so many years. And would still be hunting there if it wasn't for the government who made it impossible for my friends to keep their concession.

Why are you using a nickname?

Are you trying to hide something?

Why would Mike not keep incriminating emails from someone who seems to be trying to pull a fast one on him?

The banned list is yours as Americans it doesnt work for us but for you.its not even open for discusion to us We dont get clients from america alone but all over the world.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
The banned list is yours as Americans it doesnt work for us but for you.its not even open for discusion to us We dont get clients from america alone but all over the world.

Very true.

But I suspect there many hunters in other parts of the world who would avoid dealing with criminals who are involved in confiscations of farms.

It's not just the US that has a banned list. Most countries, including the UK & indeed all of the EU (amongst others) also do.

I'd have thought any responsible person involved in the African hunting industry, especially the Zimbabwe part of it would be aware of that.

Everyone is using nick names, why would you want to know my real name. I know about the banned list you dont have to explain it to me. I just wanted to put a point that its not necesary to discus about it here.

There is nothing criminal about the tsking over of farms in Zimbabwe. I will not explain but you must know that there is nothing criminal. In short we took what is rightfully ours from the opresors.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Everyone is using nick names, why would you want to know my real name. I know about the banned list you dont have to explain it to me. I just wanted to put a point that its not necesary to discus about it here.

If you know about the banned lists worldwide but feel it's not relevant to anything then you obviously don't care that your clients could very easily end up in jug for hunting on such land......... hardly a responsible attitude to either your clients or the African hunting industry....... and I'd have thought it's perfectly justified to discuss it here.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
There is nothing criminal about the tsking over of farms in Zimbabwe. I will not explain but you must know that there is nothing criminal. In short we took what is rightfully ours from the opresors.

That statement is quite simply, staggeringly stupid. I suppose you also condone the genocide that has also been conducted in Zimbabwe!

Please do feel free to explain how the land seizures were justified though. I'm sure many here would enjoy hearing your views on that!

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
There is nothing criminal about the tsking over of farms in Zimbabwe. I will not explain but you must know that there is nothing criminal. In short we took what is rightfully ours from the opresors.

That statement is quite simply, staggeringly stupid. I suppose you also condone the genocide that has also been conducted in Zimbabwe!

Steve my friend,

Trying to participate in an intelligent discussion with chaporonga is pointless now.

You are living in Portugal. Imagine some low life criminals who is incapable of feeding himself comes over and demands to have your house because his ancestors owned that land 300 years ago?

Saeed

you're quite correct.

I find it incredible that they feel they took what was 'rightfully theirs' from the 'white oppressors' but still expect those same 'white oppressors' to come and do business with them and give them money well knowing and not caring that such action might put said 'white oppressors' in jail!

Damn but I'm glad to be out of Africa!

Yaaah, thats what it is all about ive never seen an intelligent discusion on this blog but gosip and childish stuff. Grow up and be reasonable guys.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Yaaah, thats what it is all about ive never seen an intelligent discusion on this blog but gosip and childish stuff. Grow up and be reasonable guys.

Yet another pearl of wisdom!

What difrence does it make to say the baned list, the baned list.... if some of your white guys still work with the baned list. So dont aim on blacks as criminals. Mind your own business and stop poking your nose in my country affairs.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Yaaah, thats what it is all about ive never seen an intelligent discusion on this blog but gosip and childish stuff. Grow up and be reasonable guys.

Welcome to AR! It seems like you fit in perfectly among gossip and childishness

Torbjorn

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
What difrence does it make to say the baned list, the baned list.... if some of your white guys still work with the baned list. So dont aim on blacks as criminals. Mind your own business and stop poking your nose in my country affairs.

I'll be happy to just as soon as you guys start behaving honestly, responsibly and stop trying to lure us 'white oppressors' into your illegal shennanigans that could get us 'white oppressors' thrown into the slammer.

Oh and of course return all that stolen land to the legal owners so they can go back to ensuring the country can feed itself and again become self sufficient as it used to be when us 'white oppressors' had the rights of any civilised society!

And it'd be nice if you could also address the genocide, corruption and thefts that your own Govt has not only allowed to thrive but actively encouraged.

Until then, I and I'm sure many others will continue to exercise the right of free speech that we are so blessed with....... unlike the people in your country!

We dont need your help to feed ourselves. Forget about geting the land back.Never again.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
We dont need your help to feed ourselves . Forget about geting the land back.Never again.

You don't? - Then why are all us 'white oppressors' in the western world giving you so much foreign aid then?

Oh yes. I remember now. It's to make all those thieving murderers in your Govt even richer whilst your own people die of starvation and easily preventable diseases.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
We dont need your help to feed ourselves. Forget about geting the land back.Never again.

What are you doing when you are hungry? I know the answer. Poaching.....


Torbjorn

And that is why we should all pull out and let the bastards starve.
After all, we would then liberate them from eating our oppressors grain. Think how much better life will be without us Western scum.

Soon the only thing fatter than your politicians would be the vultures feeding on the remnants of your broken society.

Good luck to you chap.

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Originally posted by Hunting the Box H:
And that is why we should all pull out and let the bastards starve.
After all, we would then liberate them from eating our oppressors grain. Think how much better life will be without us Western scum.

Soon the only thing fatter than your politicians would be the vultures feeding on the remnants of your broken society.

Good luck to you chap.

Other than the good luck wish, I'm sure there's not a single person on this forum except Chaporonga and his mate who would disagree with that statement.

If i remember history correctly these guys did not ever have the wheel till we oppressed them. they murdered innocent people to steal there land that had been in there families for up to 5 generations. and took one of the most productive counties in Africa and turned it into a non productive cesspool and as far as i can tell one of the most oppressive racist places on the planet. Yep i'm going to come there and spend my money right after hell freezes over solid and obama these the truth.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
We dont need your help to feed ourselves.

You can peddle that crap elsewhere. Many of us have spent time in Zimbabwe and have seen the truth with our own eyes. You cannot even have your own currency, truly sad considering what Rhodesia once was.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Forget about geting the land back.Never again.

Probably true, but next time it will the Chinese,and you will wish the Rhodesians were back.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
What other offences did he comit and do you have any case numbers to prove your point. Please dont rely on rumours and baseless facts.

I offered you evidence of offences. Still no reasonable explanation.

That's right, the Operations Manager with 25 years experience does not know what his company is selling and where it is hunting.

Who called your ancestors to bring civilisaddtion to us. They wanted to steal our wealth and the fifth generation still want to find ways to steal as well. Manje mucha mama. The fifth generation can go back to their roots n see if we are going to die. Vapambe pfumi musatanyoko.

You wish because Zimbabwe will never be Rhodesia again.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
You wish because Zimbabwe will never be Rhodesia again.

More's the pity because it'd be a far better place for everyone if it were.

Another thing that's a great pity is the fact that the western world and do-gooders feel it necessary to give such immense foreign aid.

Personally, I'd be more than happy to let the bastards starve to death and then rot until the vultures pick them clean.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
Who called your ancestors to bring civilisaddtion to us. They wanted to steal our wealth and the fifth generation still want to find ways to steal as well. Manje mucha mama. The fifth generation can go back to their roots n see if we are going to die . Vapambe pfumi musatanyoko.

You are dying. The average life expectancy for a Zimbabwean has plummeted since you took over. As has your health & education systems & standards. Rhodesia used to feed half the world and now Zimbabwe can't even come close to feed it's own people!

And what's more. Things would be considerably worse if the country didn't receive immense foreign aid from us 'white oppressors'

ya our ancestors built a country from nothing.That was the show place of all of Africa. What your government has not already destroyed. The chines will destroy and leave behind a raped land and after steal all the wealth and leave a polluted waste land behind. They will leave with out even giving you a kiss for the F@*&#king they gave you.

Chaporonga....wow, that is some serious hate you are spouting. I'm sure Zimbabwe will continue flourish with your mindset...

While I applaud "Parks" here...it just goes to show you the the illegalities initially listed...just scratched the surface of those that occurred.

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Originally posted by chaporonga:
The banned list is yours as Americans it doesnt work for us but for you.its not even open for discusion to us We dont get clients from america alone but all over the world.

What I hear you're saying is that you're happy to take money from Americans, Europeans, whoever for hunting And at the same token you're giving a flying f$&@k what happens to your clients afterwards... Not sure that I understand the reasoning but heck - to each his own...

Do they offer any public relations courses in Zimbabwe? You might benefit from it...