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Do I get a primal thrill when I kill an animal...sure I do, but I get a greater spiritual connection to the earth and my place here without giving a doodely-dang about some "word"!

I do not know if the word "harvest" is too PC but "doodely-dang" definitely is

Sorry Mary, I have not heard that in a while, had to laugh at that one!

jorge wrote:

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This "harvest" thing makes me nuts too. It's the same dorks who won't take a frontal shot on an animal because it's not "ethical". They always wait for a broadside shot and even then they just go for the lungs instead of the shoulder.

Really??? Blanket statements like that are idiotic and show the shallowness of one's ability to comprehend reality.

My best buck last season was taken with a frontal chest shot -- and I harvested him while on a TPWD hunt near San Angelo.

Grafton,

When I was a kid growing up in a somewhat rural Ohio town, Old Bill Butterfield, who owned the Texeco gas station, used that phrase when he was passionate about what he was trying to convey.(Usually in anger about something us kids did,he of course said doodely damn ) I laughed at myself when I saw that phrase manifest itself on the screen. I am sure Bill is smiling down on me!

100 votes so far.

81 are against the use of the word harvest.

12 like it.

7 use it though they feel it is PC.

81% of you are hunters who are against it, and a further 7% use it to keep the peace.

So why do the rest of you continue to suck up to the anti-hunters?

Mary is a treasure, even though we tend to disagree on some stuff!

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Originally posted by D99:
Conjure up?

Your entitled to your own thoughts on this, but you are in the politically correct minority as a hunter.

Too bad your setting us back with this nonsense.

Somebody is setting us back with this nonsense but it isn't Bobby Tomek. Geesh.

I just don't see the big deal here and I think we have bigger problems then an argument about semantics. JMHO. Who cares what you call it......

"Kill 'em and grill 'em."

Ted Nugent

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So why do the rest of you continue to suck up to the anti-hunters?

D99, have you ever lobbied a legislator or given testimony on a bill in defense of hunting ?

It's too bad that D99 isn't able to harness all the energy he's spent trying to curtail free speech and instead do something constructive with it.

Having an opinion is one thing. Trying to force it down the throats of others is something altogether different. Sadly, that's the same modus operandi of many PETA extremists.

I am seeing people throwing up the concept of "Asking Permission or Not asking Permission", from my experience unless we are hunting on land we actually own, and in most cases even then, we have to buy a hunting license so that we can hunt.

While humans evolved as the ultimate predator and hunting is something that is hard wired into most of us, It Is Not A God Given Right In Our Modern World, And there Is Nothing Written Anywhere Guaranteeing Any Of Us The Right To Hunt.

Refer to the killing of an animal anyway you choose, just keep in mind that Non-Hunter you alienate, can go from being a Non-Hunter, having no problem with your hunting, to an Anti-Hunter, simply because they did not want something rubbed in their face. JMO.

crazyhorseconsulting wrote:

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Refer to the killing of an animal anyway you choose, just keep in mind that Non-Hunter you alienate, can go from being a Non-Hunter, having no problem with your hunting, to an Anti-Hunter, simply because they did not want something rubbed in their face. JMO.

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You hit the nail on the head with that one. I couldn't agree more.

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Originally posted by Skinner.:

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So why do the rest of you continue to suck up to the anti-hunters?

D99, have you ever lobbied a legislator or given testimony on a bill in defense of hunting ?

I have contacted my Alaskan senators on several occasions, primarily having to do with the aerial hunting of predators in Alaska and closure of the largest tract of public land in Alaska toward hunting (Gates of the Arctic National Park).

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Originally posted by Bobby Tomek:
jorge wrote:

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This "harvest" thing makes me nuts too. It's the same dorks who won't take a frontal shot on an animal because it's not "ethical". They always wait for a broadside shot and even then they just go for the lungs instead of the shoulder.

Really??? Blanket statements like that are idiotic and show the shallowness of one's ability to comprehend reality.

My best buck last season was taken with a frontal chest shot -- and I harvested him while on a TPWD hunt near San Angelo.

So what's your point? You took the chest shot didn't you? As to the "harvesting" I just don't care for the expression, but if you want to use it to feel good, knock yourself out. It's a free country. Sorry I confused you with the shallowness of my reality. jorge

Why don't we just confuse the crap out of the anti's and use the word acquired, as in, I acquired a deer this year. Then I killed him.

Scott

I have aquired a lot of things in my life, and until I joined the military it was meant to be you bought or someone gave you something.

In the military it means you stole it. So I quit using that.

Hay-man it is damn sure funny though.

I like Uncle Ted but I don't usually use his words. I do like his "venisonize".

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by Hog Killer:
Where do the PC crowd think those BILLIONS of big
mac burgers came from, tons of chicken nuggets.....

You have more faith in McDonald's than I do
regarding what's in the "food" they sell.

"Harvest" can only be applied to something that grows out of the ground.

And I have never, ever, seen an animal that meets that term.

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I have contacted my Alaskan senators on several occasions,

Well la de da,

Problem is they already vote your way on those issues. So there's 2 out of 100 and you need 49 more.

Getting support from legislators whom you are not a constituent of requires a whole lot more work and an intelligent, non confrontational approach. You would, by necessity, use a term like 'harvest'.

And that term is not new, nor is it 'cowing' to the antis, it's been used by wildlife managers since the inception of wildlife management and before antis really existed.

Antis don't like the term, because it infers a resource to be utilized and doesn't reflect upon the individual animal so they prefer dramatic language like 'kill', 'slaughter', 'execute', etc.

You know my career kind of gets in the way of talking to my legislature on a regular basis.

I have spent 6 months in the United States in the past 7 years. And I am on my way back to the sandbox in a week.

So enjoy the freedom I have paid for with 15 years of Naval service and get off my ass.

If you really want to help our cause donate as much money as I have (even though I don't usually get to hunt because of deployments) to pro hunting organizations like DU, SCI, the Boone and Crockett club and the NRA.

I put 15% of what I make per month toward it. How about you?

Hell I even donate to 4-H shooting sports so we can bring more kids into this passion.

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If you really want to help our cause donate as much money as I have (even though I don't usually get to hunt because of deployments) to pro hunting organizations like DU, SCI, the Boone and Crockett club and the NRA.

I put 15% of what I make per month toward it. How about you?

I call

Mac, 465 and Crazy have said pretty much all that I have to say on this matter. Cumulatively I couldn't have said it better.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
"Harvest" can only be applied to something that grows out of the ground.

And I have never, ever, seen an animal that meets that term.

Saeed:

I don't plan on telling you what Arabic terms mean and I suggest that you shouldn't try to be a lexicographer in English. Harvest can be used in reference to killing animals as it happens. From Webster's New World College Dictionary......"Harvest, v.t.,v.i......3) to catch, shoot, trap, etc. (fish or game), usually in an intensive, systematic way, as for commercial purposes or population control 4) to get (something) as the result of an action or effort."

Mr. Webster is entitled to his opinion, and I have no doubt he knows the English laguage much better than me.

But, as far as I am concerned, there is no place for "harvest" when it comes to hunting.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Mr. Webster is entitled to his opinion, and I have no doubt he knows the English laguage much better than me.

But, as far as I am concerned, there is no place for "harvest" when it comes to hunting.

Pretty much sums it up for some on his thread--word experts and historical usage be damned, they think it means something they don't like, and want everyone else to believe as they do. .

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
I don't like the word "harvest" when used to refer to the killing of game animals.

To my way of thinking and speaking, "harvest" is a euphemism and is inapt besides. It's apologetic right out of the box. Its use assumes that harder and truer words are somehow too offensive and indelicate. So I am not comfortable using it.

When referring to a game animal I have successfully hunted, I say I "killed" or "took" or "shot" him.

Still, if anyone else wants to say he "harvested" a game animal, then I am not going to be the language police and read him the riot act.

It's just not my choice.

Period.
P.S. - I might add that, for me, the expression somehow diminishes the hunting experience, with the subtle implication of "easy pickins".

Maybe if Obama is elected, we could add harvest to the list of banned words, like Niger, niggardly, uppity, boy, stupid, etc.

Harvest is a PC word. Like when they changed the spelling of niger on bags of the niger thistle that I feed the finches with to nyjer.

What a load of crap.

"Harvest" implies work and thought going into an effort to get a certain result, and is not just used for farm crops.
"Killing" can occur accidently, or with your car, or without much effort other than pulling a trigger, and certainly without work..
Therefore, "harvest" is by far a better word choice for most of us hunters. And its not brutish and insulting to non-hunters.

I suspect that, in the minds of many, the imagery elicited by the term "harvest" simply does no justice to the art of hunting. They find the term devoid of the excitement, grandeur and passion, so often associated with the hunt. “Harvest†is, in a word ... unsuitable.

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Originally posted by Nickudu:
I suspect that, in the minds of many, the imagery elicited by the term "harvest" simply does no justice to the art of hunting. They find the term devoid of the excitement, grandeur and passion, so often associated with the hunt. “Harvest†is, in a word ... unsuitable.

In my case when I hear the word "HARVEST" it brings to mind large machines CUTTING DOWN EVERYTHING, and pileing it into the bed of a truck! A person who says he hunts is a singular thing where a person hunts "A" deer, or an ELK, not the whole herd!

In regard to animals HARVEST simply doesn't fit,for an individual hunter, and is only apropreate in the context of something like a game department where they are reporting the bulk number of any animal taken in a year! (ie) "This years deer HARVEST!"

IMO, to most folks, who do not hunt, it must seem to be an evasive PC term to avoid something, or give the impression the hunter is takeing many animals on a single hunt!

Simply say it like it is! We HUNT animals, we don't harvest them!

Others may do as it pleases them, but I simply do not use that term for hunting, and IMO it is a mistake for anyone to use it in that context, other than game departments, ESPECIALLY when talking to non-hunters!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and many people on here would argue with a rock but the FACT, not opinion, remains that the use of the word "harvest" when referring to killing animals by hunting is perfectly appropriate. If someone prefers not to use the word, that's their choice. Telling others that it is incorrect or that they should not use it is not only not their prerogative, it is wrong based on fact.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
I just don't see the big deal here and I think we have bigger problems then an argument about semantics. JMHO. Who cares what you call it......

+1

Just one more senseless battle that means nothing. Hunters need to stand together and defend the rights of their fellows, not bitch about the word someone uses to describe his hunt.

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Originally posted by jcarr:

+1

Just one more senseless battle that means nothing. Hunters need to stand together and defend the rights of their fellows, not bitch about the word someone uses to describe his hunt.

Precisely!! We need to present a unified front at all times IMHO.

I think harvest is PC bullshit, why not use cull, or kill, at the end of the day an animal has to die in order for the hunt to be a success. I am not suggesting that we go hunting to kill, but you have to kill in order to hunt. At the end of the day if we just wanted to kill we could go in to a chicken shed and bludgeon 100's of chickens to death with a hammer but that aint hunting.

Some of you boys need a little more exposure to that nasty ole word, and I bet you're gonna get it.

Far be it from me to continue stirring the pot on a senseless debate that has already gone on too long, but:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harvest

No mention of hunting here.

I don't know why this debate needs to degenerate into a free speech issue. I don't like the word used in connection with hunting, but if someone else wants to use it in that context, so be it.

Sgraves,

How much do you give to the cause?

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Originally posted by SGraves155:

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If you really want to help our cause donate as much money as I have (even though I don't usually get to hunt because of deployments) to pro hunting organizations like DU, SCI, the Boone and Crockett club and the NRA.

I put 15% of what I make per month toward it. How about you?

I call

You and Trigg Palin must have the same affliction, as only a fucking retard would call someoene a liar from 2000 miles away.

That's the beauty of the internet. You need to find another windmill, Don Quixote.
I still say BS to anybody who says they give 15% of their income to "pro-hunting organizations". Nobody has that kind of disposable income. Start a poll on who would believe that crap, Mr. Word Policeman.