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LOL. LGA, what a dump. Mike | |||
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Very nice synapsis
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It was plain to see, but I do take the words of a local as more truth than a tourist. Interesting situation. McLaren did a nice job of the overview
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You should speak to more locals. Not everyone living in SA have given up on it. There are a lot of people living there that have a much more positive outlook. It is pretty sad when a local feels the need to badmouth his own country on a forum where a lot of the discussions is focused on hunting there. It is like shitting on your own front porch!! | |||
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Expat, the name says it all! I see you also live in Canada..... Yesterday a close family friend was kidnapped right outside her home IN PORT ELIZABETH. She has not been found but money was withdrawn from her bank account in a township ! | |||
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LAL, Sorry to hear about what happened to your family member that must be a terrible thing to happen, however our problems are not uniquely South African, go to any big city anywhere in the world and you will find this, Now don't get me wrong we must have the most useless bunch of people in the world running this country but it can change and there is already some positives going on and we must just hope and pray that Ramaphosa stays around for 10 years or so. I travel in Africa allot I hunt most of the hunt able countries in Africa and OR TAMBO IS BY FAR NOT THE WORTS AIPORT to travel thru... try some of the West African Countries... Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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They may not be unique but the reality is that RSA is a much bigger economy than most any other African country. As such when civil unrest happens it happens on a much bigger scale. Those smaller countries end up with a much more contained and less explosive result. Personally I am going to RSA next month and will be hunting there for about 6 weeks. Given that for years hunters have continued to hunt in Zim with all the shenanigans of Bad Bob and his cronies at present I don't think this [on its own] will have a major impact on the RSA hunting scene. However in conjunction with the insane price moves we are seeing on game in RSA and their increased commoditisation as livestock, I think many people will be looking at other countries to hunt in southern Africa and this might be the impetus to push it that way amongst other things. My friends in South Africa tell me that RSA will be the only place left to hunt in 10-15 years time, but I don't agree. I think the country will destroy the industry before it realises it is too late, which is a real shame. For what it's worth I'm not bashing RSA. I have a vested interest in the country with businesses down there and 12 years of time invested in my operation there but every time I go there I see more reasons why my clients might feel the desire to look elsewhere. K | |||
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ain't that the truth! people complaining about Tambo should try flying into Bangui( CAR) or Yaounde( Cameroon)..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Or you could just try Russian Roulette. I heard that was pretty dangerous too. Unfortunately, many of us are forced to fly through Tambo on a regular basis. It is certainly not by choice and it is certainly not because it was the lesser of two evils. Tambo got a bad reputation for a reason - they earned it. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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As I said earlier, a close family friend was kidnapped right outside her home yesterday morning. Police found her body today around mid morning..... Welcome to Port Elizabeth | |||
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Sorry to hear the bad news & condolences to all affected. The trouble with Africa is it's wasted on the bloody Africans. | |||
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Thanks Steve. I cannot think of just ONE African country, ruled by Africans that is successful country. Maybe Botswana... ALL the others have gone to shit ! | |||
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http://www.worldbank.org/conte...ionaloutlook_SSA.pdf Sub Saharan Africa is growing faster than most of the developed world. Maybe not good for wildlife and hunting but definitely good for the humans in the aggregate. Mike | |||
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Botswana may be a star among African run countries? Sure with all hose diamonds and cattle to export the per capita income of Botswana is, IIRC almost and order of magnitude higher than South Africa. This translates to only a few thousand really poor people in the whole country! OTOH South Africa is literally importing millions of totally or near indigent "illegal: immigrants - which are then legalized! Yet this very wealthy small population Botswana has nevertheless banned elephant hunting, lion and almost all other hunting, and a poster on a hunters forum like AR suggest that Botswana may be a good example! I say Botswana is only a good example to show that there is NO hope whatsoever for any African country once given over to majority rule: they are on a downward path! Sure, I'm guilty of shitting on my own porch! But at least I'm not lying about the truth?  As many other South African hunting outfitters, with a vested interest in keeping hunters coming here, have said: South Africa remains a wonderful place to not only live, even if you are white, it is and will remain for many years a most cost effective venue also hunt, tour and have a good holiday at! The turmoil is restricted to about three well defined areas, all of which the typical South African hunting outfitter knows very well how to avoid! I certainly know exactly how to get to OR Tambo without getting anything closer than 10, or if I so wish 20, city blocks from any xenophobic turmoil! Many other South African HO's can speak for themselves about this, but as a client of Andrew McLaren Safaris you will not even become aware that I've made a bit of a detour, and I guarantee you will not even be remotely near any area of potential violence - which is directed at illegal immigrants! Enjoy hunting in South Africa, but, by all means, be a bit aware and choose a knowledgeable hunting outfitter! Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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I don't believe there's a single African country that has even come close to making a success of independence...... Not one. Botswana is probably the closest but it's artificially supported by it's natural resources and (of course) the world bank etc and if you look at the benchmarks of things like health, life expectancy, economy, education, standard of living & crime etc every single one of them has plummeted since they got independence. Another example might be Liberia compared to the USA. Both have been independent for a similar time, both have good mineral and other resources & both have a numerous labour force etc etc etc. The USA has developed a massive economy, a democratic society, fantastic infrastructure, a space industry and a whole lot more. Then we have Liberia which has more or less mastered the wheel and they didn't even invent that for themselves. | |||
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In today's politically correct world it is proper to support any ideas of African independence whilst destroying the colonial days. As a teacher I try to let kids make up their own mind rather than telling facts or opinions. If I tell the class the facts, most students, their parents, and the school administrator will get shorts in a knot. So what I do is this: I have the kids come up with "identifiers of civilization" such as medical care, infrastructure, education, use of natural resources, longevity, etc. Then three columns on the board of pre colonial days, colonialism, and independence (post colonialism). The answers surprise most or all: before the colonial period Africa was a stone age continent, during the colonial days education, medicine, law and order were introduced, tribal warfare, infanticide, were illegal, and the countries resources were utilized. Post colonial period has seen declines in all the positive areas of the colonial rule, life expectancy in Zim has dropped 20 years (approximately) and corruption is rampant. The English were the best thing that happened to Africa. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Wow
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Very good my friend. I will hunt RSA but I am not going to ignore the issues at hand. And a good outfitter will be first priority for sure
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This has been evident for many moons to anyone with a clear, unbiased, logical look at the facts. Unfortunately facts are irrelevant and feel good PC is the order of the day. Thanks for trying to provide a realistic unbiased education to the next generations. It must be awfully tough
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"Remember that we are not now talking of foreign investors - but mostly thugs, smugglers, slave traders, sex workers, rhino poachers, and many simply unemployed Zimbabweans, Nigerians and other foreign nationals who came into the country illegally, but were en masse made into either voting citizens or otherwise legal immigrants! Can I give you 10 guesses to git it right for which political party these are mostly going to vote! !" The Democrat Party up here? Bill Quimby | |||
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Hunting takes place on farms, how many farmers have been murdered in the last 25 odd years. Also reported in the below article is a report of a farmer being murdered, a further horror is the fact that his tongue was found in the house. One aspect lost by most everyone, is the fact that most of the murders, rapes and robberies committed are done with such savagery indicating a hatred that is beyond compare. Lal, sympathies to you and all affected by this damn awful tragedy. http://www.news24.com/SouthAfr...ain-teacher-20150422 | |||
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+1 Cal! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Oz recently also had a female school teacher kidnapped from her school/place of work,(by another employee!) with same tragic outcome....really no different to what happened in Prt Elizabeth, it really depends of the frequency of such incidents, before I catagorize or condemn a place. Are those things happening rather often over in areas of SA? | |||
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Trax - please enlighten us, when was the last time you spent more than 1 minute in Port Elizabeth? lal - Very sorry to hear of your loss. It is an all too frequent story in what was one of the safest places in all of Africa. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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I asked a local( LaL) a question concerning PE-SA and the frequency of such kidnap incidents, Why would that bother you since its not even addressed to you?...I gather you've got your nose out of joint over something else. typical of small petty minds. | |||
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A young lady (JP) - I understand her abductors first cleaned out her bank account then murdered her? My condolences to your and her family. | |||
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Laguardia was voted one of the worst airport in the world | |||
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Trax, kidnapping in PE is not an everyday thing but hijacking happens often. In this case she was not driving a vehicle. Pretty much the same as what often happens here. Guys, sure there is excellent hunting here and chances are you will not be affected by crime at all while on safari but stay in Condition Orange all the time please. Happy Hunting ! | |||
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Thank you Scriptus. That 'hatred' you refer to is right on the money. They are killing their victims more often than releasing them, because of that hatred.
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The number of farmers murdered seems quite high from what I have read, Q./ How many hunting clients or tourists have there been murdered while on farms or anywhere else while in RSA last 25yrs? General thugs would be less likely to target people on a rural property used for regular hunting simply cause the fact the possible amount of permanent and visiting people there likely to mostly all have guns in immediate possession or at close hand, and likely also known how to use them rather well........? or in RSA climate does that not much phase them? | |||
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What's the saying? "Leave the kid with the key to the lolly shop" or was it "the monkey with the key to the Zoo"? | |||
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I'm reading all this sitting in my office in an industrial area near Durban. I'm willing to bet that the chances of a visiting hunter being affected are zero. You have more chance of dying from a road accident, aeroplane crash or an embolism on your flight. Just make sure you are with a reputable outfitter who collects you from the airport and transports you to your hunting destination. I'm not an outfitter and thus have no financial gain issues. I'm not saying RSA is a picnic to live in, just that as a visiting hunter you will have no worries. JCHB | |||
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SCRIPTUS, Are you still living in RSA or in New Zeeland? Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Ah, Jeez, Lal, my sympathies, mate. It was precisely because of this sort of thing that I left and got my wife and kids out. -- Promise me, when I die, don't let my wife sell my guns for what I told I her I paid for them. | |||
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Thanks Bren 7x64. Seems to be the latest trend these days with these thugs : They seem to want your bank card and PIN so resort to abduction of the victim and then usually murder after they get what they want. | |||
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Trax you're so funny. My nose is not bent at all. I've just noticed that you never let your total lack of knowledge and experience ever get in the way of you interjecting your opinion on virtually any subject. As I said, I just find that funny. That's all. Please carry on.  ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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If you can get out of the airport and into the bush without mishap, consider yourself safe. As you said the roads are no picnic either. The drive from Durban to P'maritzburg or Hilton to maritzburg will scare the hell out of anyone - especially at night. The farm attacks that have killed more than 4,000 white farmers since 1994 should not to be confused with farm-hunting type settings. ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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Folks, Back up 21 years and you find RSA in a turmoil at the end of apartheid. The Western press had made it sound like the whole country was rioting. I cancelled an extension of my Zim safari because of the news and later found I had made a mistake as prices were pretty cheap then and violence localized. I see this new violence as being more of the same. Don't travel in the cities unescorted or avoid them altogether and I'm sure you'll be fine. Sadie and I have a little over 3 weeks in RSA this year and I'm not the least bit concerned. As for Tembo I have found the new terminal much easier and faster to navigate than the previous one. Engage a meet/greet/ gun permit service and relax. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Mark, so called 'rioting' is nothing compared with the brutal killings that are happening daily in SA. Big difference ! | |||
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