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Kenya to Seek Return of Famous Lion Remains By Nick Wadhams Nairobi 11 September 2007 Kenya is asking that a Chicago museum return the remains of the infamous "Maneaters of Tsavo," two lions that terrorized workers who built a railroad from Uganda to the Kenyan coast in the 19th Century. Nick Wadhams has more from Nairobi. The request from the National Museums of Kenya falls under larger efforts by the Kenyan government to recover fossils, artwork and other artifacts that were sold or looted before Kenya gained independence from Britain in 1963. The National Museum will reopen at the end of the year after a two-year renovation, and it wants the treasures on display where they came from. National Museums spokeswoman Connie Maina says Kenya has not asked for many specific items and has made no formal request yet to Chicago's Field Museum of Natural History. Instead, it is calling for countries with Kenyan artifacts to inform the government and then return them. "What we are saying is if anybody has got any artifacts that belong to Kenya, we would like to bring them back," said Mania. "As we are doing the history of Kenya, we would like to show Kenyans that this is part of our heritage. As we rewrite Kenyan history in our own way, we would like to know what was available in Kenya at that time, and we are approaching different people who can give us the history which we may not even be aware of so we can tell where we have come from and where we are going as a country." The skulls and skins of the two Maneaters of Tsavo are among the most curious of the artifacts Kenya is seeking. The male lions are believed to have killed more than 130 workers who were building a bridge over the Tsavo River as part of the rail line that runs from the Kenyan coast to Uganda. The lions scavenged human remains from graves and dragged workers from their tents as they slept. Their attacks got so bad that construction was briefly halted. The railway line's chief engineer, British Lieutenant Colonel John Henry Patterson, killed the Maneaters in 1898 and later sold them for $5,000 to the Field Museum, where they are on display. A spokesman for the Chicago Museum refused to comment, saying officials have not heard of the request to return the lions. Kenya has made successful appeals for artifacts in the past. Recently, two universities in the U.S. returned wooden funeral statues known as Vigango. Many more of these objects, seen as a fundamental part of Kenya's heritage, are held at museums around the world. Field angles for Kenya's famed Turkana Boy 'TOO FRAGILE' | Won't lend lions, but may swap their skulls 9-20 UPDATE September 20, 2007 BY ANDREW HERRMANN Staff Reporter Whether Kenya wants the Field Museum's famous man-eating lions for keeps or simply wants to borrow them, the answer is the same: No. But the Field has begun discussions with Kenya that could result in a swap of sorts: The museum would loan Kenya some skull bones of the lions while Turkana Boy, a nearly complete skeleton of a 1.5 million-year-old hominid boy, would temporarily visit here. News reports this month indicated the Kenyan government wanted to repatriate the so-called "Maneaters of Tsavo.'' Since those accounts, Kenya officials reportedly have said they just wish to borrow the preserved creatures that killed about 140 railroad workers in Kenya in 1898. The Field Museum of Chicago has begun discussions with Kenya about a loan trade: The Field would send Kenya the skull bones of the man-eating lions from Tsavo, left, for Turkana Boy, right, a nearly complete skeleton of a 1.5 million 11/12-year-old hominid boy. (Courtesy) In his first public comments on the situation, Field president John McCarter said the lions -- killed by Kenya railroad engineer Lt. Col. John Henry Patterson -- are "too fragile'' to hit the road. Before the museum bought the skins from Patterson for $5,000 in 1924, "basically they were rugs on Col. Patterson's floor for 10, 15 years. They were walked on," which loosened them, explained McCarter. "We really can't do it,'' said McCarter of moving the skins. But McCarter revealed that "we have talked about how some of the [lions'] skeletal material could go back." The skulls are not inside the preserved lions. McCarter said Field officials have also "been talking about Turkana Boy seriously now for the last 18 months.'' Discovered in 1984 near Lake Turkana in Kenya, Turkana Boy is a chinless predecessor to humans with a sloping forehead and long arms and considered a jewel of the National Museums of Kenya. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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"As we rewrite Kenyan history in our own way. . . " | |||
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Who cares what Kenya wants!! | |||
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Amen. I will be visiting those "remains" again next month in Chicago, and will be very disappointed if they have gone Mau Mau. Kenya has no "rights" to them. Col. Patterson saw that they got a good home long ago, fair and square. | |||
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doesnt sound like they ever belonged to kenya ****************************************************************** SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM *********** | |||
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as i recall, the lions weren't shot by a kenya native, or his salary paid for by the same... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Why stop there? Why don't they ask for every trophy taken in Kenya before the hunting ban? Wonder if Kenyans' understand Greek - molon labe! SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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Hey Kenya, want in one hand...s$#t in the other...See what fills up first. Lance Lance Larson Studio lancelarsonstudio.com | |||
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When Kenya reopens hunting, we'll talk! Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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Well I sure hope the Field doesn't cave on this. I have gone to see the the lions twice now, the trip is well worth it. The Tsavo display is so popular it is nearly impossible to get photos. There is always a crowd around it. There are several very well preserved African animals on display there such as this giant sable: ~Ann | |||
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Relax, lions aren't going anywhere, Field says September 12, 2007 BY ANDREW HERRMANN Staff Reporter/aherrmann@suntimes.com Field Museum officials Tuesday denied overseas news reports that Kenya is seeking the return of the Chicago institution's famed "Maneaters of Tsavo" -- a pair of now-preserved lions that killed about 140 railroad workers in Africa in the 1890s. Citing separate sources, the BBC and the AFP news agency said the National Museums of Kenya want the stuffed creatures back. The Field has owned the lions for more than 70 years. Author Phil Caputo with Ghost and Darkness, the "Maneaters of Tsavo" at the Filed Museum. (Rich Hein/Sun-Times) Efforts to reach Kenya officials Tuesday were unsuccessful. But the BBC quoted National Museums of Kenya spokeswoman Connie Maina vowing to "use international protocols to repatriate them.'' Also, Kenya Tourism Board spokeswoman Rose Kwena told the Agence France-Presse in Nairobi: "We will follow the right channels to get the remains of our maneaters back to us. They are part of our heritage and history and it is good to have them back.'' The lions were shot and killed in 1898 by the Kenya railroad project's chief engineer, Lt. Col. John Henry Patterson. He sold the lion skins and skulls to the Field for $5,000 in 1924. Following the reports, Field spokesman Greg Borzo said Field officials phoned Idle Omar Farah, director general of the state-owned National Museums of Kenya, and "he tells us it's not accurate and he ought to know .. . this is not their position.'' Last year, Kenya museum officials reportedly met with Sen. Barack Obama about repatriation of hundreds of Kenyan artifacts in the United States. At the time, Kenya museum official Kibunja Mzalendo said the Tsavo lions were high on the government's list but said the Field had made "a legitimate deal, certainly" with the hunter in 1924. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Wouldn't you know Obie would get his nose in to this. Can you see the tribal warfare if he were ever elected! | |||
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The skins were in such bad shape and had shrunk to the point that the taxidermy on the lions is just awful. They look more like cougars than African lions. Still, IMHO, it is a huge stretch at this stage of the game for Kenya to claim any right to them. Who else's hunting trophies will they next want to "repatriate?" Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Well, lets see... We want all the gold that Spain looted. We want all the things the British looted during the Revolutionary and 1812 wars. We want... .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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The Lions of Tsavo belong to Kenya about as much as tequila belongs to Mexico. | |||
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Can someone please tell me where and what Kenya is? | |||
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How about if first Kenya returns to the UK the railroad and bridges that Col. Patterson built? Not that I particularly care where the lion carcasses reside, I just resent the implication that I read into Kenya’s request/demand which suggests that colonization was a one-way street, or, railroad as it were. | |||
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Ann..........that is a beautiful sable mount!! Bob Kenya.......well, never mind! There is room for all of God's creatures....right next to the mashed potatoes. http://texaspredatorposse.ipbhost.com/ | |||
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I am sure that Native Americans want Manhattan Island back too. Although cartridge selection is important there is nothing that will substitute for proper first shot placement. Good hunting, "D" | |||
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Kenya didn't exist when those lions were shot. It was a British colony, which it still should be, for God's sake, called British East Africa. Kenya has about as much claim to those cats as I do. After all, my family came over from Britain a couple of hundred years ago, and Patterson was British. Now if that ain't convoluted logic, I don't know what is... | |||
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Mabe we can send Obama back instead. Sounds like a fair trade to me . | |||
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More than fair... | |||
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Kikuyu? Nandi? Turkana? Masaai? Samburu? Who'd claim him? | |||
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Euro mount. _______________________________ | |||
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That is the truth! I was at a conference in Chicago a few months back and popped over to the Field Museum....how underwhelming.... | |||
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Don't forget to pack Oprah along with Obama. This sure ain't the country I was born into. Dutch Sittin' in the gutter sluggin secular progressives. No, wait...that would offend the rats. | |||
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Absolutely 100%spot on...jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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The PEOPLE of KENYA wish for the Tsavo lions to return. Give them back the lions. | |||
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On the subject, It a place I enjoy visiting. While this may not be the original bridge, its still the place. | |||
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Personally, I'd much rather give them you and in the same conditions as the lions. Might improve the gene pool of our northern neighbors. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Don't ya just love it? Maybe Kofi Annan can help. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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jorge,you should dress up as buffalo and go trick or treating in the Tsavo bush.I'll come along to video tape. | |||
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Sure! given your "proven" track record, I'll gladly let you take the first shot. Will you be bringing your custodian or do I need to provide one? let me know, I don't work too well with retards. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Somewhere in Kenya there is a small village being deprived of an idiot. SCI Life Member DSC Life Member | |||
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Bear in mind shootaway said he would come see us "posers" in Dallas this year -- won't that be a pleasant meeting?
Only one problem -- shootway has been no closer to Africa than the National Geographic stacks at his local library (but of course he is an expert... ). ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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ozhunter, This reminds me of the camping trip we had in Tsavo East and Aruba in Tsavo West. Hamdeni
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