What Spanish words should my wife and I learn to help us communicate with our Spanish speaking guides. We will be hunting red stag and blackbuck?

Hi,
The most important words would be:
shot (tire)-----no shot (no tire).

grande=big
chico = small.

Dont worry, most guides now speak some english.
I guided for 12 years and I had problems comunicating with only one Austrian hunters but he hunted a good deer.
Martin

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Originally posted by SBT:
What Spanish words should my wife and I learn to help us communicate with our Spanish speaking guides. We will be hunting red stag and blackbuck?

Many years ago when I was representing a few Mexican outfitters I "wrote" a dictionary for them; called it Spanish for hunters....

I am attaching a copy to you on an e-m I am sending you. This is for your use...much of it may well apply in Argentina...

This is great, thanks you guys!.

Bill, I have received the dictionary. My wife is placing various words on paper, taped to the wall around the house.

Right up there, in the need to know is, Donde est el Banyon? Where's the bathroom?

Grizz

And no, we don´t speak Tex-Mex . The most important words: ¿cuánto vale? (which is the price).
Good luck, let us know.

In addition to the flash cards and Bill's excellent dictionary, I suggest you also study a pronunciation guide and have a Spanish speaker listen to your pronunciation.

An English speaker reading "tire," for example, would pronounce it "tie-are" and think it had something to do with wheels, and not realize that it is pronounced "tee-ray" and means "you shoot."

Fortunately for us barely proficient Spanglish speakers, vowels and consonants almost always are pronounced the same way in nearly every use in Spanish. Not so in English.

Bill Quimby

Bill....in my dictionary I start with a phonetic explanation and then in the work itself I try to add the phonetic pronunciation....an example....

(have not been called upon for this since I amended it in 2001)

Afternoon, as in, "in the afternoon" - En la tarde (N la tar day)
After - Despues (des pwess)
Again - Otra Vez (Oh Trah Ves)
Almost - Casi (Kah see)
Alone - Solo
Also - Tambien (tahm bee N)

Muy bien, amigo. Perfecto.

Bill Quimby

In one of Jeff Cooper's books he describes a hike south of the border where the 'guide ' got lost .Cooper said he would have called the guide a "blithering idiot" but he didn't know the Spanish word for blithering !!

The Hunting Report used to sell a small paperback that was Spanish for hunters.

Como se dice "too far""?

Muy lejos

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Originally posted by larryshores:
The Hunting Report used to sell a small paperback that was Spanish for hunters.

It would not surprise me if it was mine.....I made it originally for Campillo Brothers (Sonora), and they had it printed up. No matter, any who want a copy of mine are more than welcome to contact me with an e-mail address...

Larry Shores: I must correct. Too far equals "demasiado lejos". "Muy lejos" translates as "very far". A slight difference but perhaps important.

No problem. My Spanish is terrible at best.

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Originally posted by nainital:
Larry Shores: I must correct. Too far equals "demasiado lejos". "Muy lejos" translates as "very far". A slight difference but perhaps important.

Now hold on, y'all....for a southern lad how does one say, in Spanish....."now, hold on, guide man, I ain't a gonna shoot no damn critter thet ah kin hardly see.....let's us get up close an git er done...."

The answer may be a simple one, when the guide says "tire" just say...."uh uh" a universal negative.

SBT, any local will appreciate your efforts in comunicate in his own languaje - just as much as you will appreciate any tourist in USA doing his best in english, it is just a matter of education and courtesy...

That said, I would tell you not to worry if your concern is just the possibility to have a misunderstanding situation with your guide... you are paying your share to hunt here, so let the guys at quini malal to worry about that - you are paying for a service, so make them earn it.

And even thou if this misunderstanding situation arises, just apply your common sense with the main intention to satisfy the desire that brought you down here...

Many years ago ( ) I was taught that any signal that could not be interpreted and applied to our final objective should be ignored, because if not the only thing it will do is to distract us from that goal... so don´t worry about hunting instructions, just tell your guide to take you where the good deers are

I think you are an experienced hunter, so your guide won´t have much to tell you - just where the deers are (or supposed to be)... you will then decide how, when and (ultimately, when the challenge is accepted) which will you hunt - just make sure to know the price of the chosen one !

I wish you all the luck, have a wonderful hunting trip with your wife !

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Originally posted by billinthewild:
Bill....in my dictionary I start with a phonetic explanation and then in the work itself I try to add the phonetic pronunciation....an example....

(have not been called upon for this since I amended it in 2001)

Afternoon, as in, "in the afternoon" - En la tarde (N la tar day)
After - Despues (des pwess)
Again - Otra Vez (Oh Trah Ves)
Almost - Casi (Kah see)
Alone - Solo
Also - Tambien (tahm bee N)

Well done Bill !!!
You speak spanish better than most locals here (thanks to the Kirchner education policies, which are... none !)

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
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Fortunately for us barely proficient Spanglish speakers, vowels and consonants almost always are pronounced the same way in nearly every use in Spanish. Not so in English.

Bill Quimby

That´s true.

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Originally posted by mete:
In one of Jeff Cooper's books he describes a hike south of the border where the 'guide ' got lost .Cooper said he would have called the guide a "blithering idiot" but he didn't know the Spanish word for blithering !!

Aside the Colonel´s ironic sense of humour, actually I think that there is no translation in Spanish for such a word, since it is an idiomatic expression... in fact we have some insults that might have a similar meaning (spanish is a very rich languaje !), but there is no literal translation for that word

The other thing that needs to be remembered is that there is a big difference in regional us of words. An example for you is the Mexican use of cabron. It is a sign of familiarity bewtween friends. However, in Central or South American spanish it is used as an insult.

Mike:

If someone calls you a cabron here in southern Arizona, you better be prepared to defend yourself because you darned well know he is not your friend.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Mike:

If someone calls you a cabron here in southern Arizona, you better be prepared to defend yourself because you darned well know he is not your friend.

Bill Quimby

And a "pinche cabron" is a great embellishment.

Yep, I tend to bristle when I hear the word then I remember the different conotations. Another example is the word for a type of dulce de leche in Mexico. In Argentina the same word will get you in trouble as it describes a womens vulva. It is the slang variations and the low language that really varies the most and will get you in trouble.

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Originally posted by Mike Smith:
Yep, I tend to bristle when I hear the word then I remember the different conotations. Another example is the word for a type of dulce de leche in Mexico. In Argentina the same word will get you in trouble as it describes a womens vulva. It is the slang variations and the low language that really varies the most and will get you in trouble.

Someone is steering you wrong....The Argentines are proud of their "dulce de leche," a very popular dessert product and after dinner drink...I have a bottle of same on my shelf.

Bill, a few of the girls at blacks are very proud of their "cajetas". There you had better know how to ask how much.

Right!
In 2005, the Hershey Company introduced a line of cajeta-flavored confections styled "Cajeta Elegancita", targeted at Mexican-food aficionados living in the United States. The marketing decision made headlines when it was discovered the word is a risqué term for the vulva in Argentinian parlance .
We have plenty synonyms for the vulva: cajeta (a litle old synon.)la concha, la cachucha, el papo, el zorro, la tuna, la cotorra and some of this synomys are knowed just in some provinces (States) not in all, for further info ask to Dr. Juan Pozzi, "The Especialist" in "this matter". Guille

These different connotations in different countries can be quite comical. I know a married couple in Argentina. The wife is Argentine and the husband is Columbian. On their first date, the future husband realized that his date had left her hat in a restaurant . He told her he was going to get her hat. What she heard was that he was going to get her private parts. She promptly slapped him. Same words but vastly different meanings.

Voy para conseguir el sombrero por usted?

Bill Quimby

Larry: can you quote the exact words?. I can´t figure which were these in Spanish.

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Originally posted by nainital:
Larry: can you quote the exact words?. I can´t figure which were these in Spanish.

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Originally posted by Guillermo Amestoy:
Right!
In 2005, the Hershey Company introduced a line of cajeta-flavored confections styled "Cajeta Elegancita", targeted at Mexican-food aficionados living in the United States. The marketing decision made headlines when it was discovered the word is a risqué term for the vulva in Argentinian parlance .


We have plenty synonyms for the vulva: cajeta (a litle old synon.)la concha, la cachucha, el papo, el zorro, la tuna, la cotorra and some of this synomys are knowed just in some provinces (States) not in all, for further info ask to Dr. Juan Pozzi, "The Especialist" in "this matter". Guille

In Cuba, the word apparently is Papaya.

Of course the important thing is to know when to take the initiative, grab your gun and go shoot the critter. Don't wait for "tire" when you know you must do something. Many of the guides are hunters, but many are not.