Hopefully this won't turn out to be the shortest thread ever, but here goes -

I never see Brazil mentioned here, although obviously the biggest country in S.A. and a huge worldwide market and with lots of what appears to be great wildlife habitat. I also never see any posters here from Brazil even if only on the African forum or others. You would think there must be many people of wealth there who would like to go on safari, or maybe big game or bird hunting in other countries. But we never seem to hear from them.

Anyway, I've searched this topic and found little except one brief post in a thread dealing with some other subject, that basically said hunting there is illegal.

It makes me wonder what is the full story. Any explanations?

I have been thinking the same thing. There are alot of Brazilians living here ,( NE US )now. Mostly from Santa Catarina, Parana and Mato Grosso I have become friends with many. They never mention hunting , fishing yes. The Brazilian websites I look at show news stories involving guns, mostly crime stuff but never hunting. I hope someone in the know replys
Obrigado

Yes, Brazil was once a hunting destination. I know several people who took jaguars, pampas deer, and collared and white-lipped peccaries there.

Soon after I started publishing Safari magazine for SCI, I bought a member's article about jaguar hunting in the Mato Grosso and published it. It was in about 1985 or so. Although the USFWS kept him from importing his jaguar into the U.S., jaguar hunting still was allowed by the Brazilian government then.

Just a few years before that, Bert Klineburger shot a huge, free-ranging water buffalo with wide, sweeping horns at the mouth of the Amazon, and its photo sent dozens of Americans down there. Other SCI members shot wild boars at various places.

The SCI record books show entries from Brazil until about the mid-1980s, and nothing since.

Don't know why hunting ended, but I'd sure like to know.

Bill Quimby

Bill,
I found an internet site that said the 1998 Constitution complied with the UN's wishes in many ways. Hunting is apparently banned in all of Brazil except for the State of Rio Grande du Sol, and I can not find any references to hunting there. I would love to hunt that area, but Northern Argentina's Chaco and Formosa Provinces would have similiar game, but just be drier and with fewer parasites.
I would like to hunt Paraguay also,especially with Rocky McBride to collar a jaguar.

The monster Crocodiles found in Central America and the Northern part of South America would make great trophies, too. But they can not be hunted, either.

Hunting was banned in Brazil years ago. Until then it was a wonderful destination. I guess that Klineburger hunted the Marajo Island. The pink water buffalo there was (and is) considered a very dangerous animal and completely wild. The search for this ferocious beast was done with "piraguas" in swamps where if you failed the always too close shot...better to dive over board than to be caught. These buffaloes had the longest horns of them all, by the way. Eduardo Barros Prado, a sort of local P.H.C. wrote several accounts of such hunts. And he used a 465 H&H if my memory serves me well. The jaguar is an entirely different thing, of course, with peccaries to spice and birds. Fishing remains one of the better in South America for savage tucunares and is well promoted.

Nainital:

You're correct. Bert Klineburger's huge buffalo was shot on Marajo Island in 1981. Each of its horns measured 46 1/2 inches ... which means that (if the space between the horns was 10 inches) the horns measured more than eight feet from tip-to-tip!

His buffalo wasn't the biggest to come from Marajo Island, either. A year later, someone named Jorge A. M. Vacquez shot an even bigger bull there.

Each of its horns were 55 inches long ... meaning those incredible horns were close to TEN FEET from tip to tip along the sweep!

I'd sure like to know some of the history regarding the closing of hunting there.

Bill Quimby

Shame on me....I am too old to hunt what remains....on the beach at Copacabana

Bill:

I scoped out both beaches a few years ago and decided I would prefer to hunt on Ipanema ... if I could draw a permit.

Bill Quimby

I used to have a wealthy well educated pal who lived in Ipanema. This was 1970s. We seriously considered trying to drive all the way from the U.S. but weren't sure about the roads or what trouble with bandidos/guerrillas. Anyhow, the stories I could tell...well, just one..he owned a powerful European sports car and managed to wreck it. I volunteered to go with him to court as a character witness but he said he'd be OK. I was real concerned anyhow and went to see him to find out what happened in court. He just looks at me with big grin and says in heavier than his usual accent, "speak I English no"...

Well, there´s pretty much nothing new to be said about legal hunting in Brasil in the last 20 years. Since 1988 it is not possible to legally hunt here (except for our southern province - close to Arg/Uru/Paraguay).

Legally speaking, hunting is not forbiden. It´s not regullated, so people are not able to do it, as the law demands. In fact, a lot has been done to Rio Grande do Sul (the hunting "allowed") province, by so called enviromental friendly groups and actually the natural resources governamental agency to stop the little hunting activities that´s still going on there. Every year when the bioligical studies are done (to know about the species, numbers, migrations, etc), they find a way to argue and manage to make hunting more dificult, as time passes by.

That´s, I said, legally. Because, there´s lots of "hunting" farms - unknown to the law agents, who are stablished here, and offers lots of diferent hunting packages, including jaguar.

I do not agree with them, but I dot not agree with the goverment either. (It´s the beauty to live in a democrcy )

If we just learn how much benefit (I´m talking also $$$) hunting could bring to our country, as everybody did selling expensive fishing packages for the Peacock Bass (tucunaré), I guess this reality would change.

But, we just keep fooling ourselves with leftist politicians and non govermental organizations, who try to convince everyone they know s*** about conservacionism, economy and society.

We do have wealthy folks down here who make serious efforts to change that, but I think they are hugely outnumbered right now. And the vast majority of hunters in Brasil are just to tired to fight about it - they just go anywhere else.

Do a search in this particullar forum, a lot has been said already. Here some old threads with more information (and lot´s cool pics too) :

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=397100485#397100485

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=141106648#141106648

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=183108748#183108748

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=491106648#491106648

The amount of money that could be made by legalized jaguar hunting would be incredible. It'd be like a moon shot.

The jaguar itself as a trophy is a true prestige game animal. It's stunning looking, but at the same time not so big that it's difficult to find a proper display place.

If it was legal, it would attract countless U.S. and other hunters who would prefer S.A. or C.A. to, for instance, Zim.

Three questions -

Why not a Brazilian SCI chapter, to "get the ball rolling"? That IMO would really be a good idea.

And do Brazilians do much out of country hunting?

And why do those who object have a problem with the gun but not with fishing rods (or maybe they object to that too but don't have the political muscle to stop it)?

Hi Guilherme,

Nice to see you "here"

You are going to make a lot of people suffer here with your pictures !!

Please let me know when you receive Saeed's DVDs.

Hope to hunt together soon

L

Shack:

You are correct, of course. However, for the jaguar to become a trophy animal again, Americans will have to remove it from our Endangered Species Act and also convince CITES that the species is not threatened.

There are research projects underway, including one funded by SCI members who pay to dart jaguars so the cats can be equipped with radio collars, that eventually could convince some officials that jaguars are more numerous than believed.

Unfortunately, I doubt that jaguar trophies will ever be legally imported into the U.S.A. again no matter how numerous they may or may not be. The tides of public opinion already have turned against us.

Bill Quimby

Hunting jaguar with hounds must be one one of the most thrilling hunts ever. I really don't understand why they don't use their wildlife.

Reiter
In the last set of photos, in the 16th picture the young lady has an otter and some other critter.
What is the long nosed red haired critter she is holding on her right side?

It's a coatí.

Similar to your coon but with longer nose and thinner body shape.

L

Shack,

I do not expect jaguar hunting becoming a legal activitie soon down here. As Bill said, we still gotta convince everybody it´s not an endagered species. It´s far beyond from just legally hunt, it would be the ultimate "quest" for hunters to change this. But lots of people agree that jaguar numbers are incorrect by the eyes of CITES and our national endagered species list. There´s a lot more of them then they think.

If we discuss real possibilities, I would guess the firt species (some already are/have been) allowed to hunt here would be water buffalo, wild boar (pure russian, mixed, feral, etc), capybara, hares and alligator.

After that, we could have pigeons, ducks and teals, partridge (upland game in general), javelinas, etc.

We already have SCI Brasil Chapter, who helps a big deal. Already managed to make a buffalo hunting season in the nothern areas of this country ( sadly it was just this single season), and they work hard with authorities and goverment. We also have few more other pro-hunting groups that strugle to change the way hunting is seen down here. But, as I said in the previous post, they are outnumbered by everybody´s ignorance and the "green" (or should I say red) folks.

And sincerely, I do not know the difference between fishing and hunting to average folks. Maybe because the fish is (most of them) released, but I couldnt tell.

It is much more than we think, kind of a historical issue that our society brings since this land was discovered to present days. As you said, politics have great power in these matters, and I dont know what´s their goal. They like to pretend the ignorant, and sometimes they are just plain ignorant. In the end, I think everyone just want´s money, and nothing else really matters.

If people show share same interest (i.e. , hunting) unite, we would be more respect in several ways, and woul achieve more than we did in the past.

Brasilian hunter do a lot of traveling to another countries to hunt. What they cannot do here, they spend somewhere else doing. Most of them are to disapointed to fight about hunting here.


Louis,

Lorenzo already nail it.

Ferrari,

Good to see you aboard. I´ve seen you already made friends for your upcomminf foreign adventures.

Found this video in another forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

Since it happened not so far ago, I think it might be a nice example of what to expect - both considering what Brazil has to offer (apart from the garotas, if ever hunting is allowed or either we decide to take the risks of hunting there no matter what, obviously under certain and calculated premises... believe me, brazilian jails are not pretty much interesting ! ) and the animal many of us would love to hunt in a fair way (like ol'Sacha Siemel "Tigrero" !), the mighty Jaguar or yaguarete!!

I am a friend of Tony De Almeida who lived for 10 years here where I live. We made some nice Red Deer hunting here. He gave me a copy of his book, ritten in very good English (he went to a Public School in England) "JAGUAR HUNTIN IN MATTO GROSSO AND BOLIVIA" SAFARI PRESS. He describes in it all his career as a jaguar hunting guide. As Reiter said, those hunts were made in a truly wild land far from any civilized contact and or regulation. From his last communications (now he is retired from many years ago...) the situation is basicaly the same. Save some Water Buffalo hunting in the Beni region or in the far north as Reiter said.

Regards

PH

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Originally posted by PatagonHunter:
I am a friend of Tony De Almeida who lived for 10 years here where I live. We made some nice Red Deer hunting here. He gave me a copy of his book, ritten in very good English (he went to a Public School in England) "JAGUAR HUNTIN IN MATTO GROSSO AND BOLIVIA" SAFARI PRESS. He describes in it all his career as a jaguar hunting guide. As Reiter said, those hunts were made in a truly wild land far from any civilized contact and or regulation. From his last communications (now he is retired from many years ago...) the situation is basicaly the same. Save some Water Buffalo hunting in the Beni region or in the far north as Reiter said.

Regards

PH

I bought that book, one of the Safari Press run of 500 with Tony's signature. AWESOME book! My favorite.

Does Brasil support the same kind of bird populations as Uruguay and Argentina? Are the dove numbers comparable?

Bringing back hunting with birds rather than four legged would seen the smarter way. Political resistance is a little harder and more hunters would be involved.