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If dan was truly against the Cali Law he would go ahead and ship the part and thumb his nose at the Government here in California with out any fear of breaking a law. See there are ways around Ca laws that prove the politicians don't know jack. Magazine ban?? Well lets see Mags are not serialized so prove I DIDN"T own them prior to 1/1/2000. There are many shops in arizona and Nevada that will sell you all you like. Just pay cash and don't leave a paper trail. No Semi auto rifles with pistol grips and detachable mags?? Well buy one with a shotgun style stock (Benelli) or use a bullet button. There are ways to get around this BS. I hear everyone say "The people in Californis need to wake up" Umm what if the A holes making the laws aren't asleep? and what if the A holes voting these cork suckers into office aren't asleep?? We the Gun owners of California are a minority here. This state is run by left wing liberals that border on the Socialist or Fascist side of politics. Yet these are the same people that are too lazy to get a budget passed on time. and are the same ones getting caught up in scandal with some in-turn or page. Although I couldn't care less who they screw on their own time so long as I don't get screwed when they are supposed to be working for me. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Hey Jeffe When are you going to tell use to take to the political form??   www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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I agree that it is HIS business and he has the right to refuse dealing with Californians just as it is OUR right to consider him and all others like him persona non grata and refuse to buy ANYTHING from these vendors. Majority of gun owners I know in CA agree with me. The price of knowledge is great but the price of ignorance is even greater. | |||
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Well stated  www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Jeffe, So someone not doing business with Californians because of a law that does not apply to the situation helps gun owners how?  All it does is accomplish the leftwing lawmaker's objective of making gun ownership in this state more difficult. Doesn't sound like he is helping my cause OR YOURS. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Harris Well said. Raff | |||
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It sorta pisses some of us off a bit. And it's really a chickenshit way of telling Californians to fuck off. Thanks for all your support. | |||
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I think you guys are missing the point.. during the american revolution, not a single stat said "yeah, we'll pay the tax and try to work around it" .. nor did they say "yeah, sure, its only mass that's being asked to pay it, we'll go along with it" don't bother telling me it's not contageous.. i'll merely point to the cat convertor on my car.. that you don't like that other people are doing what they can to protest the law, in a pretty much standard way, may very well piss you off. though you've got more of a chance to change a single person's mind than the legislature that's passing these laws. i see both sides, which is what you guys getting riled up seem to miss... other than chuck, he's got an agenda... but, you taking it out on me, and the other guys that AGREE with you that the laws in YOUR state are wrong, isn't the most effective way to change the laws in your state. Look, the purpose of governement appears to be arresting criminals .. and if this law isn't producing criminals, its obvioulsy too lax .. and the next law will be worse. you guys have seen decades of incrementally worse gun laws ... and it will continue. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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CA laws are an inconvenience for me; however, CA laws have never restricted me from owning anything I really needed. I disagree with almost all of them... but I don't kneed a 11 round magazine, there are plenty of quasi AR rifles to fulfill my needs... The biggest restriction I have had is all the Non-CA people saying... "NO SALES TO CA" Let me see how this logic works... The government in CA decides one day it doesn't like farming so it is going to make it difficult to buy fertilizer for farmers so the farms will eventually go away. All of the farmers and Agri-business people in the other states say "That is horrible, unfair, and against the farming way of life" and by God we will not sell fertilizer to those farmers in CA to protest the laws created by the politicians in CA.  the little dancing guy is a CA anti-gun politician laughing and overjoyed that he has manipulated the pro-gun people in other states to furthering his cause.Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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And that's the point. Dan should not stop selling to california. He should take the time to read the friggin law and the requirements there of and sell everything he can without registering. This way he circumvents the law legally and still supplies California with products and services it's people want. And to quote the revolutionary war as a means of protest is a joke. The colonies not only protested the fact that they were being taxed unjustly they also IGNORED THE LAW (KING) and did what they friggin wanted. Now to do this means to violate Federal law and I don't think anyone here would like to condone that! www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Bullseye! | |||
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HIS shop - he can do what he wants - this aint cali, sir, where another property can be commandeered for the greater good why? he doesn't WANT to.. and it doesn't benefit HIM to do so that californian's want .. its dave's shop.. he can sell to whomever he likes. You are unread - it EXACTLY was a protest, and is appropo So, like Dave - by not participating he's protesting the law. EXACTLY what happened, when american's switched to "that bitter coffee" .. or, as washington is reported to have said, 1/4 patriots, 2/4s lukewarm, and 1/4 tories .. or words to that effect No sir - again, READ THE HISTORIES .. the MAJORITY of american COMPLIED ... this isn't subject to opinion, its cold hard fact No sir - its a STATE law.. this is your strawman .. the cali laws are NOT federal laws.
Only you proposed it. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Okay, it's his business and he can do whatever he wants yada, yada, yada. But if the business owners decisions are a result of faulty information, then he should acknowledge that and move on. At the very least, he should put a warning on his website openly stating his policy so he doesn't waste peoples time. _______________________________________________________________________________ This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life. | |||
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yep - he sure should -- then both people vote with their dollars.. dave and anyone that disagrees with his stand. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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The whole thing is solved by getting a fiend who lives in another state to do the transaction, then send you the part. Now in order to protest and circumvent a state law with which you disagree, you have violated federal law. Oh well, I've heard federal prisons are much more comfy than state prisons  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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It's his shop and his right to sell or not sell to anyone that he wants. It's also our right to call him an ignorant a-hole and spread the word far and wide about it. That state of California says that we cannot own "Assault weapons" so I just want to thank the out of state vendors who sold me the parts to make these (and more):  Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Anybody who will not sell to those of us who, for whatever reason, live in California can KISS MY ASS!!!  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I guess you don't have public domain in Texas? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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and when its recipricated, you go balastic .. goose/gander, right
jason.. grow up .. and, actually, texas has the LEAST public land/domain/emminent domain that ANY other state, as when we entered the union, 100% of the state was in private hands. and if you don't get the "greater good" phrase (this is what socialists, lefties, and other dems use to justify their actions.) i point you to mr obama's "tax the rich differently, and more" statements. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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what an ignorant thing to say opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe, it was a simple question. It's not like I called you names.... And when you say something like "this aint cali, sir, where another property can be commandeered for the greater good " of course I would assume you are referring to emminent domain. Please keep in mind(while you are telling me to grow up) I am the only person who actually got on the phone to find out what Dan's reasons were to decide to stop dealing with CA. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Then when you come to California to hunt shot or what ever on yours and my "public" land. Just remember what you said. We have public land because we have state and national treasures of landscape that everyone should be entitled to use. Granted our state parks don't allow firearms But there is more then enough Nat forest and BLM land to go around. I'd rather hunt these dog eared, underfed, scrawny deer here on public land then to have to pay some joker a ridiculous fee to hunt his private ranch. And we also have granted access to private land too. If you don't post "No Trespassing" signs at least three to the mile you are allowing public access to your land. All our Ag fields in the central valley are top notch upland game bird areas and with out that law we would not have good areas to hunt other then some jokers caned hunt with planted birds. And I suspect Teddy Roosevelt was a socialist too??? because if it was not for him I'd have no where to hunt in California. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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This is how out of staters wind up arrested for trespassing in other states. | |||
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Well it's not exactly that simple. You are allowed to be there all the way up until the owner tells you to leave. In our central valley a lot of land is set up this way and a lot of hunters bird hunt this way every year. I do it the same way. The requirement to have a permission slip from the owner in your back pocket is not enforced at all whatsoever. Trespass laws are different in every state and how you can handle a trespasser also differs in every state. Lets just say that here in old Liberal Cali that if you use anything more then a stern warning you are going to jail not the trespasser. And FYI when you go to another state to hunt hike or what ever. Get a copy of the regulations and READ THEM. Get a map that shows private and public land and know where the hell you are and what you are allowed to do and where you are allowed to do it. and don't assume the local authorities know any better. I've argued successfully with state park rangers that can't can't read a 7.5 Minute Topo map No faster way to end up in jail or dead then piss off the wrong land owner www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Kerry, If somebody hunts or even steps on my property, they may get buckshot in their ass. Butch | |||
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That's what I mean. I texas you have a lot more rights and protection from the criminals in your state. California chooses to protect the criminals from the public. Here's the deal If you have a firearm on your person and go out side of your home to throw someone off your property for trespassing. If the gun is in view you can be charged with at the minimum Brandishing a firearm. If you are holding the gun in your hand you may go to jail for Terrorist threats. Granted it depends on the agency enforcing the law. but I will tell you this in Oceanside CA Don't try to protect yourself with a gun in plain sight. The "victim" (read Criminal) will say that you threatened to kill him and then you are now on the hook for a felony. Terrorist threats is a felony in California and can be construed right down to telling someone your intent on changing their breathing habits even though you have no weapon. All then needs to be established is if the "victim" feels in danger of death or great bodily injury. At least that was the way the law was written fifteen years ago. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Regardless of the situation/scenario, if a "good guy" shoots a "bad guy" in Kali, it's highly likely the good guy will be in some deep shit. | |||
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It looks like the whole problem here was where . When I have work done I usually contact them before I send the parts, so we both know how/what needs to be done. | |||
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No, that was not the problem. I did call before sending the bolt. I told Dan who I was, where I was calling from, and what I wanted done. He never said diddly squat about not welding bolt handles for Californians. | |||
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Again it's just simple ignorance or pure laziness. Ignorance of what is required or pure laziness to find out. All on the gunsmith. Oh well if this crap keeps up I'll just take as much business away from him as possible. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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tell me again, that Amazon is not pulling out of Kali as a protest. A sucker punch is one you do not see coming. They are very upfront about leaving Kali, and why. If you beach lizards had a clue about the 2nd Amendment; what the part of "Shall not be infringed..." means and the balls to take them to the SC by using the appeals process, you wouldn't have the shithole you live in now. I am sitting here looking at the box of 12 MagPul 30 round mags that came today, and thinking about how nice it is to live in a state where I can own such things. regards, | |||
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Rich No offense, but you need to pull your head out of your ass. We in Ca don't need to grow a pair and take the fight to the Supreme Court, our advocate NRA does. Maybe the fact that the NRA does not take it up with the SC should tell you that they see that the liberals are willing to out spend them. And keep in mind, the NRA probably has 10 times as many members from California as it does from Idaho. Rich, are you so dense that you can't see that the reason you are able to own cool shit in Idaho is not because you "got off your ass" and fought gun control, but because you happen to live in a state were conservatives outnumber liberals? Give me a break! Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Yeah I love it when someone says it nice to live where they do because their gun laws are so much better then California's. For the most part 70% of the people able to vote don't so that leaves us with a whooping 30% of registered voters to make the decisions here. The antigun lobby in this state is very well funded. We also have a very large population of people that either believe the BS the Antigun crowd spews out or is just so damned antigun they don't care. Let not forget the anti hunting population here that believes ever person in the world should never need a gun nor ever have to kill and eat an animal. Funny thing is the believe all this crap but claim to be peaceful people respectful of everyones rights. BS then why do they shove this crap onto everyone they can find. They piss and moan about their right to protest but when someone doesn't want to hear it they get aggressive. Our gun laws in this state will never change much until our legislator gets its head out of its ass and understands that criminals don't buy guns at gun shops. Most of your guns used in crimes are stolen. and limitations on the law abiding citizen do nothing to curb crime. Now once they can understand that things might change. But if you listen the these people they are off their rocker to the left just as bad as Rush is to the right and I'll refrain from saying how big a fruitcake that guy is. www.KLStottlemyer.com Deport the Homeless and Give the Illegals citizenship. AT LEAST THE ILLEGALS WILL WORK | |||
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Rich, You miss so much, I am embarrassed for you.... | |||
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Just trying to illustrate ignorance with ignorance.  Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I lurk here a lot, but post very infrequently. This is probably the most perfectly stated thing I've read here to date. Couldn't agree more. | |||
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Kevin, I don't think you are right in regards to Texas. Don't try to trespass or you may find out. Butch | |||
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There is some truth to this, Amazon did threaten to pull out of supporting free web sites in Cal, but they did not because the line item (AB178) in the state budget was vetoed by the Governor. All Amazon had to do was to stop supporting free web sites to avoid being affected by the law. Since that was vetoed. it did not go into affect and Amazon still supports free web sites. Just to be fair, Jeff, your reference was from June and the Governor vetoed the law near the end of July. | |||
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Butch Your pretty good with the law. Show me the statute. And beware that if you shoot at me you better make sure you kill me. | |||
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