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Remington 700 in 7mm Rem Mag.
The pictures tell the story. Client not sure if there's a live round or a dead round left in the chamber. No one round here is game to pull the trigger. Mad

Anybody in the forums know where in the Remington Company I should be directing the details????


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They come with detachable bolt handles ?? Roll Eyes
 
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Very carefully inserting a cleaning rod into the muzzle will immediately tell you if there is a "live round" in the chamber.

As to the (famous) bolt handle issue....this is nothing new!


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The good news is the cocking notch is visible so the bolt is out of battery. If there is a live round in the chamber the bolt should rotate up the remaining short distance fairly easily. If the bolt won't move, that would be an indication that there is more than likely a fired round under the bolt. The bolt handles don't usually come off when closing the bolt. BTW, that's a piss poor looking solder joint!


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Is this new to you?



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Westpac is right, the bolt is out of battery. There's no way the firing pin can hit the primer. Take a punch and a hammer and tap the bolt back. Pointing in a safe direction, of course and with no one standing behind it.

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New to who?


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Where is HotCore? Maybe he can explain the reason for the bolt handle coming off (other than the obvious).
 
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Well at least it wasn't a bullet hole in somebody's noggin after the fail on fire safety failed. jorge


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what do you all figure caused the break in the handle, pic immediately above?

I can understand a brazed joint failing due to lousy prep, too cold, oily surfaces, etc, but that break makes the thing look like a piece of pot metal.

improper heat treat?
 
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sad statement when the brazed joint is stronger than the bolt handle. pissers
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what do you all figure caused the break in the handle, pic immediately above?

I can understand a brazed joint failing due to lousy prep, too cold, oily surfaces, etc, but that break makes the thing look like a piece of pot metal.

improper heat treat?


Bad casting.


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It's just a weight saving feature

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How long has this bolt handle fiasco been going on with 700's?

I have 3, one's a 1961, not to worried about that, the other two are 11 & 13 years old. Were they having the problem back then?


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Just epoxy it back on. Wink


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Were they having the problem back then?


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Most likely if you stuck a case and had to hammer or otherwise force the bolt open to retrieve it.


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Were they having the problem back then?


Thanks, Rob


Most likely if you stuck a case and had to hammer or otherwise force the bolt open to retrieve it.


So this has been an ongoing issue for the last 15 years or so?
 
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I have a 700, a Classic in .221- the joint at the rear of the handle on mine shows what appears to be incomplete flow of the braze. no problems, but it's one of the first things I noted when I bought it, and I noted it due to reading of the condition on these boards some years ago.
 
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One of my friends has a SS 700, a couple of years ago he took a shot at a bull elk, worked the bolt to reload and was left with the bolt in his hand!! The first shot was good and the elk went down but it could have been bad, also we were not in bear country.. Remington fixed it NC, but not a good thing to ever have happen..Rugers are one piece!!
 
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Whatever happened to those naysayers who claim that the this never happens. They seem to be silent.


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So this has been an ongoing issue for the last 15 years or so?


Rob, I have been in business here for going on the past 30 years, and back then, I would occasionally have to resolder a handle back on to a Rem 700. But in 99% of the cases, these were the result of a stuck bolt from an over pressure load. The remaining 1% were the result of a contaminated, or, otherwise badly prepaired solder joint. I get Rem 700's in here that are just beat to shit, but their handles are still holding. Outside of those few with bad soldered joints, I have never seen a handle come off due to normal wear and tear.


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We've had three in the shop in the last year.
All were sent back to Rem and they "fixed" them NC, if putting them back on the same way can be called fixed. Like I've always said, 20+ variations of the 700 for sale, from $450 to $2000, and all the same gun.
 
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Whatever happened to those naysayers who claim that the this never happens. They seem to be silent.

Yes the naysayers.....
I'm sure there are a few that don't believe it but the better question is what rate is this?.....'ve heard of the bolt falling off after 35 years of use!..... I've owned several Rem 700 rifles and never had this happen!

The internet magnifies the problem as every time it happens now it gets this kind of publicity.

This certainly wouldn't keep me from making a varmint rifle using a 700 action.....But I'd sure like to see a report from Remington detailing the severity rate and the steps they are taking to resolve it!.....that hasn't happened!


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So this has been an ongoing issue for the last 15 years or so?


Rob, I have been in business here for going on the past 30 years, and back then, I would occasionally have to resolder a handle back on to a Rem 700. But in 99% of the cases, these were the result of a stuck bolt from an over pressure load. The remaining 1% were the result of a contaminated, or, otherwise badly prepaired solder joint. I get Rem 700's in here that are just beat to shit, but their handles are still holding. Outside of those few with bad soldered joints, I have never seen a handle come off due to normal wear and tear.


Thanks for the clarification, I'll try not to hit them with a 2x4.

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Where is HotCore? Maybe he can explain the reason for the bolt handle coming off (other than the obvious).


a blast from the past...
 
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Where is HotCore? Maybe he can explain the reason for the bolt handle coming off (other than the obvious).


a blast from the past...


How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.
 
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How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? .


He just did...........


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He just did...........


No, he could work a spell check as I apparently cannot.
 
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How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.


There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone. Big Grin


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How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.


There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone. Big Grin


Too bad, their loss.
 
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How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.


There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone. Big Grin

And there are those that cannot be civil to other posters!
 
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I can't resist! Drill a 3/8" hole through the handle and bolt and bolt it together!
 
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How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.


There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone. Big Grin

And there are those that cannot be civil to other posters!


Yes, I observed that first hand after my first post. Rather than tell me there was an unwritten rule about making comments about a seller's item, I was pretty well stoned publicly and even threatened with having a receiver shoved somewhere it should never go.

Oh well, rude ignorant people abound no matter where you go. And I've found that they are threatened by those that actually know something.
 
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I can't resist! Drill a 3/8" hole through the handle and bolt and bolt it together!



somebody beat you to it, there's a kit for '98's to change the bolt handle that way- for Mosin-Nagants, too.

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Yes, I observed that first hand after my first post. Rather than tell me there was an unwritten rule about making comments about a seller's item, I was pretty well stoned publicly and even threatened with having a receiver shoved somewhere it should never go.


was your second hand trying to extract it?


-I apologise, but being a horse's ass, I couldn't resist.
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I dont question that there are a few Rem 700's out there that have suffered this problem. I have never had a single issue with any Rem 700. I have 2 match rifles that have over 20,000 rounds each on the receivers and no issue. I have also carried the M24 which is built on a 700 into combat on 2 seperate tours and never had an issue. If they can take a soldier pounding the crap out of them they can handle just about anything.

But I DO think Remington does need to take a harder look at their soldering procedures and quality control so that it doesnt happen to anyone. As rare as it may be, there is no excuse for a rifle to come apart on the shooter.

Here is a fix a guy on Ebay is offering. Probably works but WOW is it UGLY!!!!


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was your second hand trying to extract it?

-I apologise, but being a horse's ass, I couldn't resist.
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No, despite VD's bravado, he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance of getting that receievr anywhere near where he insinuated.
 
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Here is a fix a guy on Ebay is offering. Probably works but WOW is it UGLY!!!!


M1Tanker, that is more accurately described as Fugly! How many threads do you figure each of those screws has in the bolt? 3 maybe 4? I'd trust a properly brazed joint any day over 3 6x48 or 8x40 screws.
 
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Nah, It's the QD bolt, sort of like QD mounts! Gets you out of action faster! pissers






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This guy seems to do a good job of it:

http://members.tripod.com/Hicksdesigns/bolt_mod.htm



Personally, my only 700 is in a varmint caliber so I don't feel the need to do it. If I had a big game rifle that I was planning on taking somewhere I'd do something similar, but what I'd do is use threaded rod, countersink the hole slightly then cut the rod a little tall and peen it over, then file flush. Maybe even leave it unthreaded a little at the bottom of the hole to provide a good bearing surface on the bottom.


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I wouldn't have any hesitation about using the standard 700 bolt handle for dangerous game. But then I don't have a tendency to sick bolts. Which also does away with the need for a third lug. Big Grin

If someone were really nervous about their Remington bolt handle coming off, rather than adding insult (screws) to injuries (bad joints), they could always TIG weld the handle to the body.


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