Remington 700 .... Owwwouch!!!!!!!!!!

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02 June 2007, 00:11

TrackersNZ

Remington 700 .... Owwwouch!!!!!!!!!!

Remington 700 in 7mm Rem Mag.
The pictures tell the story. Client not sure if there's a live round or a dead round left in the chamber. No one round here is game to pull the trigger.

Anybody in the forums know where in the Remington Company I should be directing the details????

02 June 2007, 00:24

mete

They come with detachable bolt handles ??

02 June 2007, 00:25

vapodog

Very carefully inserting a cleaning rod into the muzzle will immediately tell you if there is a "live round" in the chamber.

As to the (famous) bolt handle issue....this is nothing new!

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02 June 2007, 00:38

Westpac

The good news is the cocking notch is visible so the bolt is out of battery. If there is a live round in the chamber the bolt should rotate up the remaining short distance fairly easily. If the bolt won't move, that would be an indication that there is more than likely a fired round under the bolt. The bolt handles don't usually come off when closing the bolt. BTW, that's a piss poor looking solder joint!

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02 June 2007, 01:14

Fjold

Is this new to you?

Frank

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02 June 2007, 02:32

Cheechako

Westpac is right, the bolt is out of battery. There's no way the firing pin can hit the primer. Take a punch and a hammer and tap the bolt back. Pointing in a safe direction, of course and with no one standing behind it.

Ray

02 June 2007, 02:59

Westpac

quote:
Originally posted by Fjold:
Is this new to you?

New to who?

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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.

02 June 2007, 03:12

Bill Soverns

Where is HotCore? Maybe he can explain the reason for the bolt handle coming off (other than the obvious).

02 June 2007, 04:02

jorge

Well at least it wasn't a bullet hole in somebody's noggin after the fail on fire safety failed. jorge

02 June 2007, 04:17

tin can

what do you all figure caused the break in the handle, pic immediately above?

I can understand a brazed joint failing due to lousy prep, too cold, oily surfaces, etc, but that break makes the thing look like a piece of pot metal.

improper heat treat?

02 June 2007, 04:45

J Stambough

sad statement when the brazed joint is stronger than the bolt handle.

james

02 June 2007, 05:04

Westpac

quote:
Originally posted by tin can:
what do you all figure caused the break in the handle, pic immediately above?

I can understand a brazed joint failing due to lousy prep, too cold, oily surfaces, etc, but that break makes the thing look like a piece of pot metal.

improper heat treat?

Bad casting.

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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.

02 June 2007, 05:28

TC1

It's just a weight saving feature

Terry

02 June 2007, 05:53

Recoil Rob

How long has this bolt handle fiasco been going on with 700's?

I have 3, one's a 1961, not to worried about that, the other two are 11 & 13 years old. Were they having the problem back then?

Thanks, Rob

02 June 2007, 07:46

mousegun

Just epoxy it back on.

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02 June 2007, 08:26

Westpac

quote:
Originally posted by Recoil Rob:
Were they having the problem back then?

Thanks, Rob

Most likely if you stuck a case and had to hammer or otherwise force the bolt open to retrieve it.

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02 June 2007, 10:35

Recoil Rob

quote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
quote:
Originally posted by Recoil Rob:
Were they having the problem back then?

Thanks, Rob

Most likely if you stuck a case and had to hammer or otherwise force the bolt open to retrieve it.

So this has been an ongoing issue for the last 15 years or so?

02 June 2007, 15:48

tin can

I have a 700, a Classic in .221- the joint at the rear of the handle on mine shows what appears to be incomplete flow of the braze. no problems, but it's one of the first things I noted when I bought it, and I noted it due to reading of the condition on these boards some years ago.

02 June 2007, 16:06

ELKMAN2

One of my friends has a SS 700, a couple of years ago he took a shot at a bull elk, worked the bolt to reload and was left with the bolt in his hand!! The first shot was good and the elk went down but it could have been bad, also we were not in bear country.. Remington fixed it NC, but not a good thing to ever have happen..Rugers are one piece!!

02 June 2007, 18:55

Jim Kobe

Whatever happened to those naysayers who claim that the this never happens. They seem to be silent.

02 June 2007, 21:14

Westpac

quote:
Originally posted by Recoil Rob:
So this has been an ongoing issue for the last 15 years or so?

Rob, I have been in business here for going on the past 30 years, and back then, I would occasionally have to resolder a handle back on to a Rem 700. But in 99% of the cases, these were the result of a stuck bolt from an over pressure load. The remaining 1% were the result of a contaminated, or, otherwise badly prepaired solder joint. I get Rem 700's in here that are just beat to shit, but their handles are still holding. Outside of those few with bad soldered joints, I have never seen a handle come off due to normal wear and tear.

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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.

02 June 2007, 21:42

BUCKMT

We've had three in the shop in the last year.
All were sent back to Rem and they "fixed" them NC, if putting them back on the same way can be called fixed. Like I've always said, 20+ variations of the 700 for sale, from $450 to $2000, and all the same gun.

02 June 2007, 21:50

vapodog

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Kobe:
Whatever happened to those naysayers who claim that the this never happens. They seem to be silent.

Yes the naysayers.....
I'm sure there are a few that don't believe it but the better question is what rate is this?.....'ve heard of the bolt falling off after 35 years of use!..... I've owned several Rem 700 rifles and never had this happen!

The internet magnifies the problem as every time it happens now it gets this kind of publicity.

This certainly wouldn't keep me from making a varmint rifle using a 700 action.....But I'd sure like to see a report from Remington detailing the severity rate and the steps they are taking to resolve it!.....that hasn't happened!

02 June 2007, 21:50

Recoil Rob

quote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
quote:
Originally posted by Recoil Rob:
So this has been an ongoing issue for the last 15 years or so?

Rob, I have been in business here for going on the past 30 years, and back then, I would occasionally have to resolder a handle back on to a Rem 700. But in 99% of the cases, these were the result of a stuck bolt from an over pressure load. The remaining 1% were the result of a contaminated, or, otherwise badly prepaired solder joint. I get Rem 700's in here that are just beat to shit, but their handles are still holding. Outside of those few with bad soldered joints, I have never seen a handle come off due to normal wear and tear.

Thanks for the clarification, I'll try not to hit them with a 2x4.

Rob

03 June 2007, 05:04

tin can

quote:
Where is HotCore? Maybe he can explain the reason for the bolt handle coming off (other than the obvious).

a blast from the past...

03 June 2007, 06:32

rem721

quote:
Originally posted by tin can:
quote:
Where is HotCore? Maybe he can explain the reason for the bolt handle coming off (other than the obvious).

a blast from the past...

How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.

03 June 2007, 09:09

dempsey

quote:
How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? .

He just did...........

03 June 2007, 09:12

rem721

quote:
Originally posted by dempsey:
quote:
How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? .

He just did...........

No, he could work a spell check as I apparently cannot.

03 June 2007, 09:21

Westpac

quote:
Originally posted by rem721:
How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.

There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone.

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03 June 2007, 09:33

rem721

quote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
quote:
Originally posted by rem721:
How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.

There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone.

Too bad, their loss.

03 June 2007, 10:47

rolltop

quote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
quote:
Originally posted by rem721:
How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.

There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone.

And there are those that cannot be civil to other posters!

03 June 2007, 23:43

bfrshooter

I can't resist! Drill a 3/8" hole through the handle and bolt and bolt it together!

03 June 2007, 23:51

rem721

quote:
Originally posted by rolltop:
quote:
Originally posted by Westpac:
quote:
Originally posted by rem721:
How come that Rick 0311 fella doesn't post amnymore? Not only was he funny, he was pretty smart too.

There are just some on this forum who can't stand the presence of a little testosterone.

And there are those that cannot be civil to other posters!

Yes, I observed that first hand after my first post. Rather than tell me there was an unwritten rule about making comments about a seller's item, I was pretty well stoned publicly and even threatened with having a receiver shoved somewhere it should never go.

Oh well, rude ignorant people abound no matter where you go. And I've found that they are threatened by those that actually know something.

04 June 2007, 00:20

tin can

quote:
I can't resist! Drill a 3/8" hole through the handle and bolt and bolt it together!

somebody beat you to it, there's a kit for '98's to change the bolt handle that way- for Mosin-Nagants, too.

quote:
Yes, I observed that first hand after my first post. Rather than tell me there was an unwritten rule about making comments about a seller's item, I was pretty well stoned publicly and even threatened with having a receiver shoved somewhere it should never go.

was your second hand trying to extract it?

-I apologise, but being a horse's ass, I couldn't resist.

04 June 2007, 00:45

M1Tanker

I dont question that there are a few Rem 700's out there that have suffered this problem. I have never had a single issue with any Rem 700. I have 2 match rifles that have over 20,000 rounds each on the receivers and no issue. I have also carried the M24 which is built on a 700 into combat on 2 seperate tours and never had an issue. If they can take a soldier pounding the crap out of them they can handle just about anything.

But I DO think Remington does need to take a harder look at their soldering procedures and quality control so that it doesnt happen to anyone. As rare as it may be, there is no excuse for a rifle to come apart on the shooter.

Here is a fix a guy on Ebay is offering. Probably works but WOW is it UGLY!!!!

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04 June 2007, 00:47

rem721

quote:
Originally posted by tin can:

was your second hand trying to extract it?

-I apologise, but being a horse's ass, I couldn't resist.

No, despite VD's bravado, he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance of getting that receievr anywhere near where he insinuated.

04 June 2007, 00:51

rem721

quote:
Originally posted by M1Tanker:
Here is a fix a guy on Ebay is offering. Probably works but WOW is it UGLY!!!!

M1Tanker, that is more accurately described as Fugly! How many threads do you figure each of those screws has in the bolt? 3 maybe 4? I'd trust a properly brazed joint any day over 3 6x48 or 8x40 screws.

04 June 2007, 04:26

308Sako

quote:
Originally posted by TC1:
It's just a weight saving feature

Terry

Nah, It's the QD bolt, sort of like QD mounts! Gets you out of action faster!

04 June 2007, 05:33

Mark

This guy seems to do a good job of it:

http://members.tripod.com/Hicksdesigns/bolt_mod.htm

Personally, my only 700 is in a varmint caliber so I don't feel the need to do it. If I had a big game rifle that I was planning on taking somewhere I'd do something similar, but what I'd do is use threaded rod, countersink the hole slightly then cut the rod a little tall and peen it over, then file flush. Maybe even leave it unthreaded a little at the bottom of the hole to provide a good bearing surface on the bottom.

04 June 2007, 07:17

Westpac

I wouldn't have any hesitation about using the standard 700 bolt handle for dangerous game. But then I don't have a tendency to sick bolts. Which also does away with the need for a third lug.

If someone were really nervous about their Remington bolt handle coming off, rather than adding insult (screws) to injuries (bad joints), they could always TIG weld the handle to the body.

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This is my rifle, there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend, it is my life.