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i know i have come up with some semi-hairbrained ideas but i thought to my self..."self, will the 404 dakota work in the b.l.r? dont know i need to ask the gunsmith gods and see what they think" so here i am, be mercifull and kind and let me know what you think? on a scale of 1-10 is this a great idea or stupid, 1 being the guy in the video who got hit in the face with the 600n.e handgun and 10 being wow that is an awesome idea   https://forums.accuratereloading.com/recoil.wmv 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | ||
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Personally, I wouldn't attempt to put any case thru the BLR larger than the largest case that it's factory chambered to. This would be the .300/.338 Win mag case. One can have a wholly adequate and extremely powerful BLR in the .375 or .416 taylor and at this point it's as far as I could recommend. I noticed on another thread you own a Remington pump. Personally, I'd prefer to see that thing rebarreled to the 9.3 X 62 and used for DG over any attempt to reconstruct a BLR....just a personal opinion. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Boomstick, there's no DIFFERENCE in a 404 jeffe and a 416 taylor on it's effect on game.. zero. ones a .423 400gr at 2250 (low pressure) ones a .416 400 gr at 2250 (medium prussure) ***notice, 416 taylor at 2250... one has a RCH more xSD and one has a RCH higher SD. but there are HUGE feeding and mechcanical issues to get a 404 in a "std" action so, if you must hve a lever gun for a dgr, i can't think of a better one than the BLR... so get one in 300 win, rebarrel to 416t or 458 win mag, and start shooting... jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Allen, does this mean that you're not really interested in this idea of a 404 in a BLR?????  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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so you dont believe the 404 dakota 400gr. @ 2400 fps? i was thinking the 380gr north fork. not even if it is on a bolt action? so you are saying the taylor and 404 dakota are balistic twins with .007 separating them in dia.? shame on dakota for giving me one happy nights sleep with a 404 jeffe only to wake up to a 416 taylor ( not that there is anything wrong with the taylor. good round) the 375 taylor in blr seems to have my favor still nicknamed "snuffy" 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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THin reciever case, big fat cartridge body, sounds like a royal PIA to me. Better couse was already discussed in the taylor. Another option would be building up a Model 71, on a necked down 450 Alaskan. Not going to give you quite the velocity though, and your stuck with flat nosed bullets, both drawbacks. Wouldn't a 1895 Winchester in a 9.3 x62 be a better option? No its not a 416, but I bet its a lot easier conversion. | |||
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577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boom, I got to say I am not sure that a 6 pound rifle in your cartridge choices really excites me. Add at least 1 and better 1.5 lbs to the mix for me. Have you shot full power loads in the 358 Win in BLR? Think I would shoot one of these first before I invested a dollar into this. | |||
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Good advice!! I've got my second .358 BLR and I know I don't need anything more in that light lever gun. It's not difficult to shoot, but it could kill on both ends given a much larger cartridge. I also have .404 Jeffrey, .458 Winchester, and .404 Barnes Supreme in 7-3/4 lb or lighter rifles and have owned doubles in .470, .500, and up, so I have some basis for comparing the "comfort" of how shooting various rifles feels in MY applications. I might rate your idea an "11" IF facing the Brownie at 5' RIGHT NOW with NOTHING else available, but as a general, fun, concept, I think a "2" would be generous [G]. My country gal's just a moonshiner's daughter, but I love her still. | |||
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You gentlemen are not the first to inform Mr. Stick that the BLR in a .375 Taylor is going to kick the snot out of him.......actually I think stronger language was used.  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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My techincal image was " Dog Snot" yep it will be a trader after about the first box of cartridges. | |||
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I would think it would be more trouble than it is worth, if at all feasible. Not to mention the time and aggravation. I had problems with my 404 Jeffery projects until I found the right gunsmith. Allen said it all, find a .375 or a .416. You money is is put to better use planning your safari. No rifle is fun to shoot if it just kicks the snot, dog or otherwise, out of you. Remember you are going to spend a lot of time and money on this project. Would you have a rifle that would suit your fancy? Notice I didn't use the words "suit your needs"! Needs doesn't have jack to do with this! Just my opine. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Brainfart, semi-hairbrained, ridiculus, a pipe dream, and stupid are all terms that apply to this proposed project...  | |||
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thanks for the critique... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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BOOM, This is the little bird in your ear........you really want to look at doing up a 1895 Winchester into a 9.3x62........you do, you do, you do!!!!!!!!!!!!  | |||
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do you have one? how is it? 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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No Boom I don't. Truthfully I am not a big lever action fan. Went through a short phase with them 30+ years ago, realised the limitaions and moved on. If I was going to get one I would look for a old Belgium BLR in 358 Winchester, maybe a 308. And I like WInchester Model 71's ( not the new reproductions) But the 1895 is a pretty good rifle, originally chambered in a 30-06, doesn't have a tubular magazine. The basics are all there. It would be just rebarreling and working on feeding issues which would be pretty straight forward. Your going to pay a little more for the 1895 but in the end it will be much cheaper than what you have been talking about. Another bonus is the rifle starts out a little heavier, which would be desirable in a big bore. The real bonus is its going to be a lot cheaper, and your going to have a lot better luck finding a gunsmith that will actually take the job on. If the 9.3x62 doesn't float your boat a 35 Whelen, or a 338-06 would also be suitable. I bet if you were to work on the 338-06 you could just rebore the original barrel, maybe you could pull this trick on the 35 cal. You would need to get one and see how much metal is there, and whether any sight screws or cuts are causing problems. You need at least .030 of metal on any cuts and more is better. I really would need to see one and get a depth gauge and a calculator out. WOuldn't do any good to send it off to rebore and them tell you no and whoever does the rebarrel would be looking at the same issues. This a pretty straight forward conversion though, not a engineering nightmare. | |||
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