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You'll never find one better (not mine):

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Did you have to post this?


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kinda like a good lookin woman stripping naked in front of you a saying dont touch. thats just not right.
 
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kinda like a good lookin woman stripping naked in front of you a saying dont touch. thats just not right.


worse- I've seen more naked women than BRNO's like that.
 
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It's times like these I wish I was still in the corporate world.

Saw that the other day, I'd just about gotten the image out of my mind....just about!




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Friends-

That kind of reminds me the time that I saw a picture of Marilyn Monroe in the buff for the first time. My dad had brought home a copy of Playboy and I got to sneak a peak shocker

It left quite an impression.


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Repeat after me:

I don't need it.
I don't need it.
I don't need it.
I don't need it.
I don't need it.
I don't need it.

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin


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It is a classic...may I should get rid of a couple of clunkers


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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what is it worth?
 
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what is it worth?


Whatever it sells for.


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what is it worth?

To me it's not relevant.....I don't have it!


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I really want that action. If I win the auction, I'll sell the stock and barrel in the AR classified ads.


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Originally posted by ForrestB:
I really want that action. If I win the auction, I'll sell the stock and barrel in the AR classified ads.


If you do, give me a heads up first, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Big Grin




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Now that's a gun I could CLING to while I was thumping my bible. HA!

My guess is it'll go for between $1800-$2000



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I'd love that stock.


As usual just my $.02
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First dibs on the stock! Big Grin
 
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I guess I should have put one of those smilies on my post.
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Not even I am hard-hearted enough to tear this one apart.


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I guess I should have put one of those smilies on my post.
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Not even I am hard-hearted enough to tear this one apart.


I was gonna say, there are less expensive donor actions around. That is one sweet rifle. Too bad Savage99 isn't here to tell us what a piece of crap the little Brno's are. We could all use the laugh.




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I am seriously thinking of buying it...anybody interested in a Wiebe 270


Mike

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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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The best thing that could happen to that action would be for someone with a few bucks to buy it, measure it, and exactly reproduce it in enough volume that folks could resonably afford to buy it.
 
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Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
It is a classic...maybe I should get rid of a couple of clunkers


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I am seriously thinking of buying it...anybody interested in a Wiebe 270


Ouch! Our mutual friend could take offense at this.


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That is one sweet rifle. Too bad Savage99 isn't here to tell us what a piece of crap the little Brno's are. We could all use the laugh.


OK. A classic old style, overall good looking, and good matching calibre. All good.
And cheap to so far. So what's stopping everyone?

It will probably feed well and shoot well.
Now I don't know what you all have done to Savage99, But, is that a shocking butt pad fit I see there? Is that checkering up to scratch, even on an airgun? Is the barrel alligned to the reciever/scope mount dovetails? That's not exactly fancy grade wood is it? Still, makes it more usable I quess.

I wish an AR member would buy it so we could find out how it goes. wave
 
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Hey Forrest,

I didn't even put that together but now that I look at it is damn funny.


Well, the only way I could afford it would be to sell a Wiebe.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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I picked up a 21H a few years ago in identical condition to the rifle in the auction. It had the same eastern bloc, brown grease packed in the action too.

Do all these Brno sporters have the same plain wood? Mine is plain and so is every other one I have seen.

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I picked up a 21H a few years ago in identical condition to the rifle in the auction. It had the same eastern bloc, brown grease packed in the action too.

Do all these Brno sporters have the same plain wood? Mine is plain and so is every other one I have seen.

Forrest


Not all, just most you see over here. I bought a factory 21H stock from a guy in Sweden a few years ago that had very nice wood. He seemed to know a lot about these rifles and thier history. He said the rifles were sold from the factory on a pre-order basis. The customer (wholesaler) would pick what grade wood he wanted. Of coarse the nicer the wood the more expensive the rifle.

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Whatever it sells for.


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What I would do is have it restocked with a beautiful piece of walnut in a full stock, Mannlicher pattern.

For my money, however: What scope? - is the question.

But of course, I don't need it . . . Cool


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What's up with the buttpad? Is it rubber that shrunk? Looks like steel but that gap around the perimeter is funky.
 
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Are scope mounts readily available for it?
 
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I have 2 of them. On both, the buttplates are smaller than the wood by about 1/64th or a bit better evenly around the buttplate. Don't really know if they have shrunk or if humidity at manufacture may have played a part. Don't think I care either. I removed and stored mine and replaced them with a thin Old English style pad that was curved by boiling and hand shaping to fit the curve of the butt.

My 8 X 57 has a replacement grip cap that is not remotely like the original (think it may have been from Bishop, checkered lastic with fleur de lis'). If anyone has an original they would part with I'd like to hear from them.

Wood in both of mine has a bit of dark mineral streaking but not a lot. It is solid wood however and has good grain lay out.

None that I have examined have particularly sharp checkering. In fact a lot of flat diamonds. It was cut straight though so it's not much of a trick to point them up if you are so inclined.

The polishing of feed rails etc. makes them slick as glass. Both rifles will feed a full load of empty brass from the magazine as will a few others that I have tried.

I have not tried one in which the floor plate fitting was not so snug as to make removal a thumb buster of a deal. A bit of polishing with a diamond lap at the interfaces cured that. I have no qualms about using that type of floorplate. The bit of time it takes to remove it to unload at the end of a days hunting is meaningless and they don't fall open or get bumped open in use.

Mine will be gettin M-70 type 3 position safties as soon as I can get them down to Martini and Hagn. I find the actions so slick that the factory safety which does not lock the bolt down has allowed me to open the bolt incidental to carrying the rifle on a sling. I had no problems with access to the factory safety until I tried to reach it with insulated gloves on. Between the gloves and the scope bell I could not get my thumb on the safety.

Great little hunting rifles as is or a fine start on a full blown custom.


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In that condition the rifle is a collector's piece and the buyer - who might but probably will not be me - will pay a collector's price. Any actual use, however slight, will sharply depreciate value. And breaking it up for the action, as some have suggested, would be pure idiocy. There are plenty of slightly used Brnos around for that.
 
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Are scope mounts readily available for it?


I have Warne rings on mine. Tried Talley CZ rings, but they are too low to clear the bolt handle.


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In that condition the rifle is a collector's piece and the buyer - who might but probably will not be me - will pay a collector's price. Any actual use, however slight, will sharply depreciate value. And breaking it up for the action, as some have suggested, would be pure idiocy. There are plenty of slightly used Brnos around for that.


The breaking it up for the action post was all in good humor.

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Terry, Thanks for the comments about wood quality on these rifles. I would enjoy seeing one with high grade wood.

Here's a couple of pics of mine showing what the Warne rings look like and some more plain, blonde wood.

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I wish I still had pictures. When my last desktop died all the pictures died with it. I no longer own the stock.

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I'm just waiting for ALF to show up and post the pics of the two he has just like it...
 
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Could someone point out the main differences between the 21H, the 22F, and the ZG-47, please?
 
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There was someone about 10-15 years ago that used to make an aftermarket Mod. 98 Mauser safety assembly fashioned like this model of BRNO.

Who was that?


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Could someone point out the main differences between the 21H, the 22F, and the ZG-47, please?


This thread has some information on Brno model numbers:
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=119100767#119100767
So does this one:
https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=587104064#587104064


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Could someone point out the main differences between the 21H, the 22F, and the ZG-47, please?


In a nut shell, 21H half stock small ring Mauser. 22F full stock small ring Mauser. ZG-47 large ring mauser.


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