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... whereas a 35 Whelen 'mini'-Garand gives you an 8-rd clip-fed autoloader that spits out 250gn .35-cal slugs as fast as you can work the trigger.

Some AK residents understand the benefit here ...

https://www.gulfcoastgunforum....-Mini-G-in-35-Whelen


Good Hell AJ are you really that bad of a shot that you need 8 round clip for a moose? Are you using tracer rounds?

You dont need to lead them that far as they are moseying through the underbrush 20 yds away.
 
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I find my 35 Whelen autoloader to be at its best putting the smack-down on multiple heavy targets in rapid succession. Wink
 
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Moose hunters are not putting the smack down on multiple targets


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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"Up Bored" was meant to say different expansion ratio from the Garand makers design, and yes an adjustable Gas Plug is a fine adaptation.
We still see that adaptation used to keep battle rifles running when they must today.
Been shooting a Remington 760 since 1971 and it was well used when I got it. Thousands of rounds and never a stoppage. Utterly reliable. Never heard of one that wasn't.
Cycle time on a pump? I shot International Skeet at Rochester Brooks gun club for a couple of years as a collegiate and though all the many Olympians who shot there, beat me soundly, it was never because I could not keep up with their O/U rate of fire using my Borrowed Winchester 1200. The fellow I borrowed it from won the North American Low gun championship, i.e. International Skeet, in 1972 shooting that pump.
I have a lot of respect for a Garand and agree with Mr. Patton on it's place in history as indeed, we won that war. My personal choice is the M14 with it's 20 round detachable magazine & 7.62 Nato but I'll stick with my 1903 Springfield, 35 Whelen in the Big Deer woods.


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Smack down on several moose is called poaching up here.

I've never felt under gunned with my little 300 WM. Killed a lot of moose (one at a time), and that little 300 is so light an trim it only holds 2 rounds in the magazine.
I will admit though to killing a couple with my 375 H&H.
Like Phil, I would feel perfectly comfortable hunting anywhere in Alaska with a 30-06.
Bullet placement, aim small miss small equals dead animal.
 
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Wow, interesting thread ... I need a 35 Whelen *anything* like I need a hole in the head. Nothing wrong with the round. There just aren't any moose, caribou, or grizzlies in my neck of the woods. We might have an occasional black bear sighting, but that's about it. Deer and coyotes for sure.

One of those Mini Gs in .308 would sure be handy though. I have few Garands in the collection. I'll have to look into Shuff's Parkerizing. Thanks!


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Smack down on several moose is called poaching up here.

I've never felt under gunned with my little 300 WM. Killed a lot of moose (one at a time), and that little 300 is so light an trim it only holds 2 rounds in the magazine.
I will admit though to killing a couple with my 375 H&H.
Like Phil, I would feel perfectly comfortable hunting anywhere in Alaska with a 30-06.
Bullet placement, aim small miss small equals dead animal.


We have that in common neighbour, the .375 H&H “just to see”. It’s probably my favourite cartridge, vying for that with the .275, but I honestly can’t find a benefit over my .275 / 7x57 single shot on moose.
 
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I watched an elephant kill with a 7x57, a heart shot, the big boy went 100 yards or so and expired..I suspect it would kill a moose with the same shot..

Im fond of the 7x57 and find it as good as a .270 or 30-06 with a good handload, in my long throated, long magazine rifle. Its as good as anything up to a .338 Win or there abouts and that's questionable.


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I think it would be easier to consider what rifles and cartridges would NOT be a decent moose cartridge. Anything from .30-30 on up would be fine with me.

Moose are not meant to be shot from long range - at least not by me.


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I watched an elephant kill with a 7x57, a heart shot, the big boy went 100 yards or so and expired..I suspect it would kill a moose with the same shot..

Im fond of the 7x57 and find it as good as a .270 or 30-06 with a good handload, in my long throated, long magazine rifle. Its as good as anything up to a .338 Win or there abouts and that's questionable.


I've watched my wife kill a moose with the ballistically equivalent 7-08 with quick effect. Use premium bullets of course, but other than that it's fine.

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Last one Joyce killed was with a 7mmMag with 165 grain accubonds. One shot, 20 years and plop.


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One shot, 20 years and plop.

Wow, that must have been one looooooooooong follow-up! rotflmo wave
 
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One shot, 20 years and plop.

Wow, that must have been one looooooooooong follow-up! rotflmo wave


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You gotta love spell check. Took that moose a year to average one yard. Simple math. Big Grin


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When I went on my Moose hunt in the Farewell Burn of Alaska I had a great 30-30, a fine .308 lever action, and perfectly good .300 Winny. Somehow I convinced my wife that the Moose required a bigger rifle. I added a .340 Wby to my collection and went hunting with her feeling I was properly gunned. That is the truth and I am sticking to it. Good Shooting.


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The one Alaska moose I shot was with a 338 WM. Decisive to say the least with 225 TSX


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I'm relieved to see that the local guys who have the on-ground cred are all leaning towards the upper medium bore end.

Not that I need anyone's permission but this is a hunt I have thought a lot about and it rates high up on my bucket list. If I was to do it it would be quite an undertaking in terms of cost, time and travel.

I have both a 9.3x62 Sako Black bear and a semi custom 9.3x64 that I am happily using to knock down deer with here in Aus that I would feel more comfortable in using on a hunt for moose.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but the most admiration for the performance of the .270, 30/06 and 7mm range of cartridges, all of which I have extensive field experience with, but for a hunt such as this I think i'd be packing a tube with a bigger hole in it. My perspective might be slightly different if I lived there and could get out every week-end, then again it might not.

Thanks again to all of you Alaskans for sharing your hard earned knowledge and no bs responses. tu2

Paul while moose have been taken with almost every caliber known to man you have made a wise decision. When a man hunts for moose for meat it's an entirely different story as come to Alaska for a trophy bull. Big bulls are smart and there are times when a perfect broadside shot never materializes. If your are in heavy timber or an alder jungle a frontal shot or a raking shot may be all you get,,that's where the heavy mediums really shine. Your guide maybe will be calling and then you look behind you and there the bugger is,, well anyway good luck on your hunt!


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... whereas a 35 Whelen 'mini'-Garand gives you an 8-rd clip-fed autoloader that spits out 250gn .35-cal slugs as fast as you can work the trigger.

Some AK residents understand the benefit here ...

https://www.gulfcoastgunforum....-Mini-G-in-35-Whelen


Good Hell AJ are you really that bad of a shot that you need 8 round clip for a moose? Are you using tracer rounds?


Good gawd, dude ... did you just go full-auto nipper? Eeker Don't do that. That's Ray's job, and he's darn good at it.

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You dont need to lead them that far as they are moseying through the underbrush 20 yds away.


Did you even bother to research the .35 Whelen Mini-G?

You're right. Neither moose nor caribou are that hard to kill. And one round of .35 Whelen will certainly do it. Heck, on his hunts Chuke kills them with his 30'06 M1 Garand (full-size, with forward-mounted scout scope), loaded with Hornady's 180gn SSTs.

With the .35 Whelen Mini-G, the remaining 7 rounds in the clip are for protection. Why? Well, let's suppose you're out in the bush hunting for your trophy moose with a veteran guide like, say, Chuke or Phil.

You stalk and eventually spot your moose and then put him down with the first shot, a 250gn .35-cal Whelen pill taken high-n-hard. Good shot, good on you. Heck, you even get a manly man-shake from Phil, or a consensual hug and butt-slap from Chuke. rotflmo

Now, you're just getting started with the cutting and gutting when a big Grizz suddenly pops through the bush 50-yds away. He heard the shot too. He sees your moose as dinner, and he ain't taking 'shoo, please go away' for an answer.

So he charges ... At that point, are you really going to say: 'Geez, I wish I'd only loaded this damn Mini with a 5-rd clip instead of an 8-rd clip'? Roll Eyes

C'mon, don't be an Okie-Mo. Think it through.

You may well need more than one shot to stop the bear's charge, and with your Mini-G you can quickly point and dispense rounds into fur in much less time - precious seconds - than working a longer barreled bolt-gun in the same caliber.

That's why the 16" Minis in .35 Whelen have become popular in AK as a bush 'carbine,' whether for hunting or just generally for protection against whatever aggressive critter(s) you might chance to encounter - around your cabin, camp site, or out on the trail.


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... whereas a 35 Whelen 'mini'-Garand gives you an 8-rd clip-fed autoloader that spits out 250gn .35-cal slugs as fast as you can work the trigger.

Some AK residents understand the benefit here ...

https://www.gulfcoastgunforum....-Mini-G-in-35-Whelen


Good Hell AJ are you really that bad of a shot that you need 8 round clip for a moose? Are you using tracer rounds?


Good gawd, dude ... did you just go full-auto nipper? Eeker Don't do that. That's Ray's job, and he's darn good at it.

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You dont need to lead them that far as they are moseying through the underbrush 20 yds away.


Did you even bother to research the .35 Whelen Mini-G?

You're right. Neither moose nor caribou are that hard to kill. And one round of .35 Whelen will certainly do it. Heck, on his hunts Chuke kills them with his 30'06 M1 Garand (full-size, with forward-mounted scout scope), loaded with Hornady's 180gn SSTs.

With the .35 Whelen Mini-G, the remaining 7 rounds in the clip are for protection. Why? Well, let's suppose you're out in the bush hunting for your trophy moose with a veteran guide like, say, Chuke or Phil.

You stalk and eventually spot your moose and then put him down with the first shot, a 250gn .35-cal Whelen pill taken high-n-hard. Good shot, good on you. Heck, you even get a manly man-shake from Phil, or a consensual hug and butt-slap from Chuke. rotflmo

Now, you're just getting started with the cutting and gutting when a big Grizz suddenly pops through the bush 50-yds away. He heard the shot too. He sees your moose as dinner, and he ain't taking 'shoo, please go away' for an answer.

So he charges ... At that point, are you really going to say: 'Geez, I wish I'd only loaded this damn Mini with a 5-rd clip instead of an 8-rd clip'? Roll Eyes

C'mon, don't be an Okie-Mo. Think it through.

You may well need more than one shot to stop the bear's charge, and with your Mini-G you can quickly point and dispense rounds into fur in much less time - precious seconds - than working a longer barreled bolt-gun in the same caliber.

That's why the 16" Minis in .35 Whelen have become popular in AK as a bush 'carbine,' whether for hunting or just generally for protection against whatever aggressive critter(s) you might chance to encounter - around your cabin, camp site, or out on the trail.


AJ, you always like to quote this mythical Chute character as if he is some sort of real Alaskan expert.
Are you two BFF's or something ? Have you ever met him, or have your even been to Alaska and actually hunted anything up here ?
Your paranoia of bears would lead me to asssume you never have. You need to put down your Alaska Bear Tales book and listen to a few Alaskans with real experience. I have been guiding moose and caribou hunters for forty years in regions of the state with the densest population of brown bears in the state and feel perfectly safe with vigilance and the same firearms I hunt caribou or moose with.


Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship
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No-Chute or 16” mini G whelen in any of those stories. Maybe AJ the social media influencer / troll had a point. We will never know.
I know no-Chute is a bad day when the prop stops. Other than that, I’m stickin’ with Phil and whatever he is carrying that day.


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No-Chute or 16” mini G whelen in any of those stories. Maybe AJ the social media influencer / troll had a point. We will never know.
I know no-Chute is a bad day when the prop stops. Other than that, I’m stickin’ with Phil and whatever he is carrying that day.

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