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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The Buffalo Bore 9mm 147 grain +P Outdoorsman load is advertised at 1,100 fps, not 1,300.

But that is pretty good bullet weight and velocity and plenty good enough for a big bear, by Phil's interesting and well-told account at any rate.

Really well-told.

Enjoyed it very much.

Put the bullet in the right place and make two holes is the right way to think about it, if you ask me, which, of course, no one has done.

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Originally posted by Uncle Grinch:
Phil, you did an excellent job and I really enjoyed your insight on bear hunting and recommendations.

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Originally posted by chuck375:

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Originally posted by Uncle Grinch:
Phil, you did an excellent job and I really enjoyed your insight on bear hunting and recommendations.

Totally agree. Phil is it unusual to shoot a bear that close multiple times without him charging you?

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Originally posted by DLS:
That was an excellent podcast. Glad I watched it. If Phil has a flaw, it would be an unusually abundant blessing of common sense.

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by chuck375:

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Originally posted by Uncle Grinch:
Phil, you did an excellent job and I really enjoyed your insight on bear hunting and recommendations.

Totally agree. Phil is it unusual to shoot a bear that close multiple times without him charging you?

The bear WAS charging us as it had ran away, circled downwind in order to identify us and then was charging through the dense brush and grass. However it popped out by the clients, who were 5 yards behind me and they dropped to the ground.

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a very cool S&W 9mm. The S&W 3913

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It speaks well for my Browning Hi Power

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
It speaks well for my Browning Hi Power with a 13 cartridge clip or the new 17 plus one on the new FN. load it on Sunday and shoot til next saturday!

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he was about about 10 feet away, so I pulled out the big guns and pointed the BBQ brush at him and shook it and yelled.

Reluctantly he backed off and eventually turned and walked off into the bush, grumbling the whole way.

I have found the BBQ brush to moderately more effective than bear spray. Cheaper to buy too.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Last summer I had an encounter with a black bear, a big boar, and discovered a new item for repelling bears. We had a new dog that was about six months old, a doodle pup that is half Aussie shepherd and half standard poodle. He is a hunting fool and loves running around in our bush chasing squirrels and snowshoe hares.

Anyways at the time of the incident I was standing on our deck at the front of our log house. It is about 3 steps up from the ground and we have our gas BBQ on the deck next to the stairs. I had the BBQ heating up and I was busy scrubbing the hot cast iron rack with a BBQ brush.

All of a sudden I heard the doodle (Jessie) shrieking and turned to see him running for his life towards the deck, with a big black bear hot on his tail. Jessie ran up the stairs and stopped behind me (of course) and continued howling as the big boar reached the stairs of the deck. I yelled at the bear as loud as I could and he stopped, teeth popping and ears pinned back. Despite my yelling he did not back off and kept popping his teeth and moaning deep in his chest......he was about about 10 feet away, so I pulled out the big guns and pointed the BBQ brush at him and shook it and yelled.

Reluctantly he backed off and eventually turned and walked off into the bush, grumbling the whole way.

I have found the BBQ brush to moderately more effective than bear spray. Cheaper to buy too.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Last summer I had an encounter with a black bear, a big boar, and discovered a new item for repelling bears. We had a new dog that was about six months old, a doodle pup that is half Aussie shepherd and half standard poodle. He is a hunting fool and loves running around in our bush chasing squirrels and snowshoe hares.

Anyways at the time of the incident I was standing on our deck at the front of our log house. It is about 3 steps up from the ground and we have our gas BBQ on the deck next to the stairs. I had the BBQ heating up and I was busy scrubbing the hot cast iron rack with a BBQ brush.

All of a sudden I heard the doodle (Jessie) shrieking and turned to see him running for his life towards the deck, with a big black bear hot on his tail. Jessie ran up the stairs and stopped behind me (of course) and continued howling as the big boar reached the stairs of the deck. I yelled at the bear as loud as I could and he stopped, teeth popping and ears pinned back. Despite my yelling he did not back off and kept popping his teeth and moaning deep in his chest......he was about about 10 feet away, so I pulled out the big guns and pointed the BBQ brush at him and shook it and yelled.

Reluctantly he backed off and eventually turned and walked off into the bush, grumbling the whole way.

I have found the BBQ brush to moderately more effective than bear spray. Cheaper to buy too.

best story ever lol remind me as last fall trying to scare a young bear feeding on berries in the front yard and coming outside and try to scare it with a broom ... he sttod up on hind quarters and barked at me standing his ground ... later on a neighbour called the co and find a scared co with a rifle and a big hubble scope on it at close night i cannot stop laughing anyway the bear was long gone and destroyed the berries field of 3 neighbours thus the visit of that young bear that alas has to be killed later on.
so the bbq brush works better than a broom with a medved at the ends lol

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Last summer I had an encounter with a black bear, a big boar, and discovered a new item for repelling bears. We had a new dog that was about six months old, a doodle pup that is half Aussie shepherd and half standard poodle. He is a hunting fool and loves running around in our bush chasing squirrels and snowshoe hares.

Anyways at the time of the incident I was standing on our deck at the front of our log house. It is about 3 steps up from the ground and we have our gas BBQ on the deck next to the stairs. I had the BBQ heating up and I was busy scrubbing the hot cast iron rack with a BBQ brush.

All of a sudden I heard the doodle (Jessie) shrieking and turned to see him running for his life towards the deck, with a big black bear hot on his tail. Jessie ran up the stairs and stopped behind me (of course) and continued howling as the big boar reached the stairs of the deck. I yelled at the bear as loud as I could and he stopped, teeth popping and ears pinned back. Despite my yelling he did not back off and kept popping his teeth and moaning deep in his chest......he was about about 10 feet away, so I pulled out the big guns and pointed the BBQ brush at him and shook it and yelled.

Reluctantly he backed off and eventually turned and walked off into the bush, grumbling the whole way.

I have found the BBQ brush to moderately more effective than bear spray. Cheaper to buy too.

best story ever lol remind me as last fall trying to scare a young bear feeding on berries in the front yard and coming outside and try to scare it with a broom ... he sttod up on hind quarters and barked at me standing his ground ... later on a neighbour called the co and find a scared co with a rifle and a big hubble scope on it at close night i cannot stop laughing anyway the bear was long gone and destroyed the berries field of 3 neighbours thus the visit of that young bear that alas has to be killed later on.
so the bbq brush works better than a broom with a medved at the ends lol

Brooms can be quite formidable in the right hands.
My wife and I spent one winter as caretakers of NYAK gold mine in SW Alaska. Basically we were to help the 90 year old mother of the owner. She was tough as nails and when any of the massive 100# + sled dogs would get in a fight, which they loved to do, she waded right out between them with her broom and shook it. They immediately quit fighting !
She told us you could beat them with an ax handle and they wouldn’t stop until one was dead. But a face full of broom quills would stop them instantly .

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by 458Win:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by Skyline:
Last summer I had an encounter with a black bear, a big boar, and discovered a new item for repelling bears. We had a new dog that was about six months old, a doodle pup that is half Aussie shepherd and half standard poodle. He is a hunting fool and loves running around in our bush chasing squirrels and snowshoe hares.

Anyways at the time of the incident I was standing on our deck at the front of our log house. It is about 3 steps up from the ground and we have our gas BBQ on the deck next to the stairs. I had the BBQ heating up and I was busy scrubbing the hot cast iron rack with a BBQ brush.

All of a sudden I heard the doodle (Jessie) shrieking and turned to see him running for his life towards the deck, with a big black bear hot on his tail. Jessie ran up the stairs and stopped behind me (of course) and continued howling as the big boar reached the stairs of the deck. I yelled at the bear as loud as I could and he stopped, teeth popping and ears pinned back. Despite my yelling he did not back off and kept popping his teeth and moaning deep in his chest......he was about about 10 feet away, so I pulled out the big guns and pointed the BBQ brush at him and shook it and yelled.

Reluctantly he backed off and eventually turned and walked off into the bush, grumbling the whole way.

I have found the BBQ brush to moderately more effective than bear spray. Cheaper to buy too.

best story ever lol remind me as last fall trying to scare a young bear feeding on berries in the front yard and coming outside and try to scare it with a broom ... he sttod up on hind quarters and barked at me standing his ground ... later on a neighbour called the co and find a scared co with a rifle and a big hubble scope on it at close night i cannot stop laughing anyway the bear was long gone and destroyed the berries field of 3 neighbours thus the visit of that young bear that alas has to be killed later on.
so the bbq brush works better than a broom with a medved at the ends lol

Brooms can be quite formidable in the right hands.
My wife and I spent one winter as caretakers of NYAK gold mine in SW Alaska. Basically we were to help the 90 year old mother of the owner. She was tough as nails and when any of the massive 100# + sled dogs would get in a fight, which they loved to do, she waded right out between them with her broom and shook it. They immediately quit fighting !
She told us you could beat them with an ax handle and they wouldn’t stop until one was dead. But a face full of broom quills would stop them instantly .

ah ah for sure Phil im not the best with a broom ... but the ladies of any living in the north are the toughest i ever met with a broom or not ...

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Originally posted by 450 Fuller:
Phil:

I wonder how Oliver Cameron would handle a
problem bear with his old Savage 1899?
Of all the sourdoughs I have met up near my homestead, he was the most knowledgeable and spent the most time in various parts of Alaska.

Avoidance seems the best answer, unless one is hunting them.

Oliver agreed with me that the closer the grizzly or mean-natured black bear, the more a reliable lever action makes sense. Jay Williams in the 1950s stated that he was fond of the 1886 Winchester in 33 WCF. I tend to agree with the same modernized action in the 348 or 450 wildcat version. As bears seem to require repeat shots
to break them down, a fast and smooth handling old Winchester like the 86 or M-71 does the business.

Another truism in the north bush is that what rifle/gun you have at the time in your hands becomes your "bear gun" when Old Ephraim shows up
close on the trail.

R. Marriott
LtCol-USA-Ret