What is your alternate account name? You make me suspicious to say the least....

If you are legit...a question for you, if you dont mind.

My first safari was to Gras Ranch in Namibia...the ranch is 90,000+ acres or about 150 square miles, it is fenced. Is this fair chase?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Echoanne12:

While living in Wyoming in the 1990's I had the opportunity to offer public comment on hunting at the National Elk Refuge in Jackson

[QUOTE]

Further proving my point that you like to hear yourself talk. Like this makes you some kind of expert. Any inbred jack ass could make public comment .

He certainly does..

Been an AR member for all of two weeks and instructs us all to read HIS posts..

Either a troll or someone with a serious ego problem I suspect..

I think it's a "she" not a "he" with Anne as part of the name.
He or she actually makes a few fair points, if it weren't for the narcissistic attitude.
Calling individuals out is just trolling for sure.
Sounds like someone who is or has been highly involved in some of the Western area hunting and politics

Echoanne... Tell folks a little about yourself and perhaps things may be less antagonistic?

Poyntman,
Sure! I am a he, name is Earl and I owned a beautiful golden retriever named Echoanne for almost 14 years. She was a great retriever of ducks. Hence the echoanne name. I lived in Wyoming from 1992 thru 2005. I've hunted in 18 different states and six foreign countries over 37 years. Had the opportunity to kill/shoot behind high fences in New Zealand, Namibia, Argentina, and Texas. Refused to do so - never lowered myself to that nonsense.
And if going to a federal public hearing to speak out in favor of the annual youth hunt on the National Elk Refuge near Jackson, Wyoming makes me "an inbred ass" according to Larry Shores, then I'll gladly continue to do so. Hell, I'm even 25% Mexican - I guess that also makes me a cur or mongrel according to Larry Shores. Although both the states of Wyoming and Florida certified me as having sufficient training and education to teach Biology, Earth Science, and Physical Science.

Rest assure I will continue to post about what is considered to be fair chase hunting.

SCI - doesn't that stand for : Shooters Club International? Sorry, bad typing skills!

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Poyntman,
Sure! I am a he, name is Earl and I owned a beautiful golden retriever named Echoanne for almost 14 years. She was a great retriever of ducks. Hence the echoanne name. I lived in Wyoming from 1992 thru 2005. I've hunted in 18 different states and six foreign countries over 37 years. Had the opportunity to kill/shoot behind high fences in New Zealand, Namibia, Argentina, and Texas. Refused to do so - never lowered myself to that nonsense.
And if going to a federal public hearing to speak out in favor of the annual youth hunt on the National Elk Refuge near Jackson, Wyoming makes me "an inbred ass" according to Larry Shores, then I'll gladly continue to do so. Hell, I'm even 25% Mexican - I guess that also makes me a cur or mongrel according to Larry Shores. Although both the states of Wyoming and Florida certified me as having sufficient training and education to teach Biology, Earth Science, and Physical Science.

Rest assure I will continue to post about what is considered to be fair chase hunting.

SCI - doesn't that stand for : Shooters Club International? Sorry, bad typing skills!

For some who professes to be certified as a teacher you can't read very well can you?

Poor Larry,
All the money and time in the world and you can't prove your point to save your ass. You're just like the high fence killer Ted Nugent who commented a few years ago when interviewed by a well known hunting magazine, "Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong."
Guys like you are bad for wildlife, fair chase hunting and the American model of wildlife conservation.

Maybe Scott Powell can post a picture of the high fence surrounding the Broadmouth Canyon Ranch where he intends to go next year and kill or shoot his 390 - 400 class elk!

Hope you boys enjoy your escapades of animal husbandry

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Poor Larry,
All the money and time in the world and you can't prove your point to save your ass. You're just like the high fence killer Ted Nugent who commented a few years ago when interviewed by a well known hunting magazine, "Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong."
Guys like you are bad for wildlife, fair chase hunting and the American model of wildlife conservation.

Maybe Scott Powell can post a picture of the high fence surrounding the Broadmouth Canyon Ranch where he intends to go next year and kill or shoot his 390 - 400 class elk!

Hope you boys enjoy your escapades of animal husbandry

Let's see some pictures of your vast hunting expiernce. I will bet $1000.00 to any of your fair chase hunting groups if you post a single hunting picture. Till then you are a troll who is self proclaimed licensed to teach high school biology.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Poor Larry,
All the money and time in the world and you can't prove your point to save your ass. You're just like the high fence killer Ted Nugent who commented a few years ago when interviewed by a well known hunting magazine, "Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong."
Guys like you are bad for wildlife, fair chase hunting and the American model of wildlife conservation.

Maybe Scott Powell can post a picture of the high fence surrounding the Broadmouth Canyon Ranch where he intends to go next year and kill or shoot his 390 - 400 class elk!

Hope you boys enjoy your escapades of animal husbandry

Earl, If you wish to be given respect, then please give it...
Right now you are simply showing unfounded disrespect.
I dare say people like Larry have given FAR more to Conservation directly than you could ever do.
I've been challenged by people before and when the find how much we give to conservation ( not saying I'm in the same league as Larry) they yield
If you wish to contribute sir, please do so, but please be more respectful of others.

What you fail to comprehend is the majority of us enjoy discussing topics where each of us has our own perspective and opinion but are genuinely interested and respect each others views.

Your obnoxiously arrogant approach and over inflated ego expose you for what you are - a close minded, know-it-all jerk that lives to tout his own self-importance.

Dude - I really hate to tell you this but many of have lobbied for hunting on Capital Hill, supported and financed youth hunting activities, spoken at hearings, taught school, practiced law, practiced medicine, flown jets, served in combat, built successful companies, worked hard all our lives and hunted for 30-40 yrs in many states and multiple countries.

All that being said, I'm sorry to have be the one to tell you that no one here is impressed that you are licensed to teach in two states and have spoke in support of youth hunting, and have hunted for 37 years.

Step out of your safe zone for a moment and consider that maybe, just maybe, you might actually learn something from these forums if you open your mind and and learn a little humility.

Being unpretentious is a solid trait of a person with humility. Humility is a critical trait of good leaders - years ago I worked for a CMSgt in the USAF that had s sign in his office that said: "No one cares how much you know until they first know how much you care about them"


Oh BTW, I'll will probably only shoot a 360 class bull at Broadmouth Canyon and will post pictures of not only the bull but also a big, marinated backstrap cooking on my grill!

quote:

Originally posted by Poyntman:

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Poor Larry,
All the money and time in the world and you can't prove your point to save your ass. You're just like the high fence killer Ted Nugent who commented a few years ago when interviewed by a well known hunting magazine, "Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong."
Guys like you are bad for wildlife, fair chase hunting and the American model of wildlife conservation.

Maybe Scott Powell can post a picture of the high fence surrounding the Broadmouth Canyon Ranch where he intends to go next year and kill or shoot his 390 - 400 class elk!

Hope you boys enjoy your escapades of animal husbandry

Earl, If you wish to be given respect, then please give it...
Right now you are simply showing unfounded disrespect.
I dare say people like Larry have given FAR more to Conservation directly than you could ever do.
I've been challenged by people before and when the find how much we give to conservation ( not saying I'm in the same league as Larry) they yield
If you wish to contribute sir, please do so, but please be more respectful of others.

+1

We've seen Earl's ilk here on the AR forum many times before. They arrive in one of two guises. Either a true internet troll, ala Trax, or a NOOB with an inflated sense of self worth.

Time will tell which category "Earl the Educator" will fit into best.

But calling out Larry Shores has me leaning more toward the former.

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Poor Larry,
All the money and time in the world and you can't prove your point to save your ass. You're just like the high fence killer Ted Nugent who commented a few years ago when interviewed by a well known hunting magazine, "Anybody who disagrees with me is wrong."
Guys like you are bad for wildlife, fair chase hunting and the American model of wildlife conservation.

Maybe Scott Powell can post a picture of the high fence surrounding the Broadmouth Canyon Ranch where he intends to go next year and kill or shoot his 390 - 400 class elk!

Hope you boys enjoy your escapades of animal husbandry

Echo, Larry Shores is one of the most dedicated and accomplished hunters that I know of and he is. Dry passionate about our sport and conservation as well.

He is also a very nice and humble guy so it is obvious that you don't know him.

Find someone else to badmouth....you are making a fool of yourself

Leopardtrack,
If calling out Larry Shores or anybody else on AR who refers to me as "an inbred jackass" for going to a federal public hearing to speak out in support of the continuation of the annual youth elk hunt on The National Elk Refuge in Jackson, Wyoming then so be it! Talk about respect from Mr. Shores!

And I never stated I was a Biology teacher, just that two states certified me to be so. Read my posts more correctly.

I stand by my original post regarding the great Broadmouth Canyon elk shoot that many AR so called "hunters" believe in. There's only three ways those elk of that size occur in a roughly 5,000 acre high fenced enclosure:
1. They are captive bred inside the enclosure and raised for the purpose of being shot later.
2. They are purchased from an elk captive breeding facility and then trucked in for the purpose of being shot later.
3. They are captured from wild free ranging herds and then trucked in to Broadmouth Canyon Ranch.
None of those scenarios amounts to fair chase hunting. It's shooting or killing - not fair chase hunting.
Sadly guys like Larry Shores and especially Scott Powell, don't realize the fact they are playing right into the hands of the anti hunters who monitor hunting web sites such as AR and others for material to use in their fundraising efforts. When guys post of the virtues of killing animals behind a high fence the anti hunters win.
Fair Chase hunting has nothing to do with the size or area of the high fence or escape proof enclosure. Again, go read the definition of Fair Chase and go read the position statement "Confinement of Wild Ungulates within High Fences" of The Wildlife Society, the foremost group of scientists, managers, educators, planners etc., who manage, conserve, and study wildlife and their habitats.

And please review the post that just occurred from WTHO about four guys hunting Aoudad in west Texas. Notice he advertises "free range hunting in west Texas." Now there's an example of such!

ANIMAL HUSBANDRY" : the practice of selectively breeding and raising livestock to promote desirable traits in animals for utility, sport, pleasure, or research".

At least Larry Shores presents a positive image of a hunter in shape in his posts. I'll have to give him that. But to state "I have my opinion" of high fence shooting of animals regardless of it being opposite of what the current body of professional wildlife managers believe is simply foolish.

In the mid 1990's at an ISE Sport Show in Salt Lake City I personally asked Jim Shockey his opinion of the high fence killing/shooting pawned off as hunting on various TV hunting channels. He said it best, "It's enough to make you puke!"

But Leopardtrack if your location really is New York City then I'm sure you know more about Fair Chase hunting than the board of directors at The Boone and Crockett Club and the current leaders in wildlife science, management, and conservation at The Wildlife Society.

Me thinks several of the members on AR, like Scott Powell, need to decide if they are shooters, killers, or hunters!!!

Scott Powell,
In an effort of full honesty and disclosure can you or anybody else on AR please post a photo with an average size person for reference of the high fence escape proof enclosure that surrounds Broadmouth Canyon Ranch in Utah.

I hunted hard for many years in the Bridger Teton Ntl Forest in Wyoming with my horse and mule. Sometimes I harvested an animal sometimes not. But I never knew in advance like you that I was going to kill a 360 class bull elk.

How many members or readers of AR who've ever hunted for elk in the Bridger Teton or Shoshone Ntl Forest in Wyoming, The Bob Marshall Ntl. Forest in Montana, or the Gila Ntl. Forest in New Mexico knew in advance of going hunting that they were going to kill a 360 class elk? Going to a 5,000 acre high fence escape proof enclosure in Utah (Broadmouth Canyon Ranch) to kill or shoot an elk is not fair chase free ranging hunting and has nothing to do with hunting in the above mentioned examples!

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Leopardtrack,
If calling out Larry Shores or anybody else on AR who refers to me as "an inbred jackass" for going to a federal public hearing

Sir, you once again prove that you can't read. I never called you an inbred jackass. I said that any inbred jackass could testify. You are the one who included yourself in that group.

I am sorely tempted to list the things I am involved with that promote hunting and conservation on a very high level. You would look pretty foolish if you saw these things. However, you seem to be doing a pretty good job of that without my help.

I really get tired of this kinda post and Echoanne12. Legal is Legal whatever you care to do in your life. I don't drink, 10's of thousands of people are killed or injured each year from drinking. Not just drinking and driving. I think it should be banned.

I guess this is a rant but tired of all this fence crap....

Anti's DON"T win when we talk about high fence, That is not true, they want to stop all hunting. I Married a card carrying member of PETA and the HSUS another big anti group. I know a lot more than many about the anti's and their philosophy.

NOW how many of you and us and everyone like Echo really HUNT? We hire a guide. he baits bear stands we go sit and shoot bear...We hire a PH walk behind him and his trackers in Africa and shoot...We hire a PH with dogs run behind the dogs with the PH and shoot. We hire a PH that pre scouts an area and we arrive go to area as we follow him and shoot.

I've harvested captive bred lions, and have posted reports here. I knew what I was getting and yes even picked out the lion from a picture. Harvested it with one shot kills dispatched them on the spot humane kills. Far more humane that slitting an animals throat in a slaughterhouse.

If hunters could ever get there **it together and defend other rights even tho they don't care to participate in a certain type of harvesting or hunting then we could really be a force to deal with. Until then all we do is eat our own because the anti high fence advocates either have no stake in the commerce of that practice and can't benefit from it or simply have to prove that that type of position makes you better than others.



Until then all we hear is "You're less of a hunter than I am"... "I'm better than you".

Terminally Ill children and Adults, Handicapped people that want to be outdoors and harvest animals may have no there way to experience what we do and enjoy it so lets take that away also. Take their last chance or their ONLY chance at experiencing what we do. I could care LESS what another hunter legally does to enjoy his life anyway they can.

Just because your a fit able body hunter then everyone should be like you. Well I thank God that high fence hunting exists for all those that aren't as good or fit ( yes I noticed your little word about fit, when referring to Fit Larry, could that mean fat people shouldn't hunt?) Many people don't have the time in the lives to do it like you...

Next time you see a bird hunter walking back to his car or truck with his bird dog stop on the side of the road and ask I'm why he hunts with dogs because he's really to hunting the birds , is dog is. And don't say that has nothing do do with your point...It does, it's all LEGAL harvesting of birds.

To end my post , Please Echo, when a young man or woman takes the last hunt they may ever take on a enclosure. Or a vet that has no legs or arms. but has a dream. Please be man enough to come here and tell them they are not hunters..Their DREAM of harvesting a trophy can't be done in your world because they aren't FIT enough or folly fair chase rules. They are not doing it right. Post you name address and phone number with that post. Are you man enough to do that, any of you?

I don't hide behind my posts. Anyone can see me, know me, get my phone number and address off my posts on AR. Look them up. I'm easy to find....

Excuse my typo's and grammar. I'm not quite as educated as you. I'm a high school drop out.

Yep. Definitely a troll. Calling out well respected and known AR members with a proven list of hunting / conservation accomplishments, all the while hiding behind a nom de plume absent a location, bragging on his personal accomplishments without offering any proof of same.

Pyzda, Trax, etc. Same MO. Same shit stirring without substance. Nothing to see here.

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Scott Powell,
In an effort of full honesty and disclosure can you or anybody else on AR please post a photo with an average size person for reference of the high fence escape proof enclosure that surrounds Broadmouth Canyon Ranch in Utah.

I hunted hard for many years in the Bridger Teton Ntl Forest in Wyoming with my horse and mule. Sometimes I harvested an animal sometimes not. But I never knew in advance like you that I was going to kill a 360 class bull elk.

How many members or readers of AR who've ever hunted for elk in the Bridger Teton or Shoshone Ntl Forest in Wyoming, The Bob Marshall Ntl. Forest in Montana, or the Gila Ntl. Forest in New Mexico knew in advance of going hunting that they were going to kill a 360 class elk? Going to a 5,000 acre high fence escape proof enclosure in Utah (Broadmouth Canyon Ranch) to kill or shoot an elk is not fair chase free ranging hunting and has nothing to do with hunting in the above mentioned examples!

No problem.. When I go there I will take a picture of my self standing beside the fence.. You continue to miss the point - WE ALL KNOW IT IS HIGH FENCED!!

I promise you the meat will taste just as good as the met from ELk I've killed in Colorado and New Mexico hunting public land..

So.. in your opinion (which you have blatantly told us is the only opinion that matters) is an individual only a hunter if they have never hunted behind a fence or is the individual a shooter behind the fence and a hunter when at home hunting whitetails on the farm..??

You are adamant about labeling us as hunters, killers or shooters - well I am all three...

I consider myself an excellent shot with rifle, bow and shotgun so I guess I am a shooter

I am a combat veteran, which unfortunately made me a killer

I have hunted both free range and high fence and YES I am a hunter


You, on the other hand, continue to be an offensive moron...


Please do us all a favor and just go away....

The odd thing about the entire episode is that he did provide some eye opening information about the GSCO which is likely all true. The rest is just terminal diarrhea of the mouth....well keyboard in this case.

That is true..

I've never been a fan of GSCO either.. Actually I'm sort of an anti-record book guy and have no animals in any book. Like many on AR, I think the record books do more harm than good...

This coming from an SCI Life Member..:-)

I joined GSCO for the magazine. I enjoyed reading about individuals grand slam efforts. I now view that a bit differently.

I am also anti awards.

quote:

Originally posted by Leopardtrack:


Echo, .. .you are making a fool of yourself

Well,.....no Old Bud, is one, is a fool. I suspect born that way to parents that way, siblings the same, two maybe four neighbors that are/ were fools too.

E, if you had any of the experience you bluster about having, if you had a fraction the education you want us to believe you have, you'd not be complaining about this hunt.

You did it to yourself, obviously bought the trip not knowing what you were doing and now try to belittle those hunting after you and anyone else nearby. You're the ignant idiot, you stubbed your own toe blindly stumbling around in unfamiliar territory.

Clean up your own mess Dipshit, you have all you can handle by yourself.

I've seen him repeat the size of the fenced area doesn't matter..correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the BVC fenced? I don't know anybody that would conclude hunting there isn't 100% fair chase. Besides that he seems to think the people hunting this elk ranch are unaware they are inside a fence.

Echo...I personally am not interested in such hunts but what does the challenge have to do with it? Hunting doesn't always have to be about how hard it is. Sometimes hunting can just be about comradery and relaxing. Different strokes for different folks...get over it.

quote:

Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Hunting doesn't always have to be about how hard it is. Sometimes hunting can just be about camaraderie and relaxing. Different strokes for different folks...get over it.

THIS!

100% and more.

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Hunting doesn't always have to be about how hard it is. Sometimes hunting can just be about camaraderie and relaxing. Different strokes for different folks...get over it.

THIS!

100% and more.

YES!!!!!!

quote:

In an effort of full honesty and disclosure

Is that you Larry Root under yet another name? Or to practice what you preach (and I must say you're pretty uppity with just a handful of posts and named yourself the ethics police), why don't you give us your real name, place and some pictures of your hunts would be ideal. I'll be waiting.... Larry.

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:

quote:

In an effort of full honesty and disclosure

Is that you Larry Root under yet another name? Or to practice what you preach (and I must say you're pretty uppity with just a handful of posts and named yourself the ethics police), why don't you give us your real name, place and some pictures of your hunts would be ideal. I'll be waiting.... Larry.

Larry Root. Yep, that's exactly who I think "Earl the Educator" is.

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Leopardtrack,
If calling out Larry Shores or anybody else on AR who refers to me as "an inbred jackass" for going to a federal public hearing to speak out in support of the continuation of the annual youth elk hunt on The National Elk Refuge in Jackson, Wyoming then so be it! Talk about respect from Mr. Shores!

And I never stated I was a Biology teacher, just that two states certified me to be so. Read my posts more correctly.

I stand by my original post regarding the great Broadmouth Canyon elk shoot that many AR so called "hunters" believe in. There's only three ways those elk of that size occur in a roughly 5,000 acre high fenced enclosure:
1. They are captive bred inside the enclosure and raised for the purpose of being shot later.
2. They are purchased from an elk captive breeding facility and then trucked in for the purpose of being shot later.
3. They are captured from wild free ranging herds and then trucked in to Broadmouth Canyon Ranch.
None of those scenarios amounts to fair chase hunting. It's shooting or killing - not fair chase hunting.
Sadly guys like Larry Shores and especially Scott Powell, don't realize the fact they are playing right into the hands of the anti hunters who monitor hunting web sites such as AR and others for material to use in their fundraising efforts. When guys post of the virtues of killing animals behind a high fence the anti hunters win.
Fair Chase hunting has nothing to do with the size or area of the high fence or escape proof enclosure. Again, go read the definition of Fair Chase and go read the position statement "Confinement of Wild Ungulates within High Fences" of The Wildlife Society, the foremost group of scientists, managers, educators, planners etc., who manage, conserve, and study wildlife and their habitats.

And please review the post that just occurred from WTHO about four guys hunting Aoudad in west Texas. Notice he advertises "free range hunting in west Texas." Now there's an example of such!

ANIMAL HUSBANDRY" : the practice of selectively breeding and raising livestock to promote desirable traits in animals for utility, sport, pleasure, or research".

At least Larry Shores presents a positive image of a hunter in shape in his posts. I'll have to give him that. But to state "I have my opinion" of high fence shooting of animals regardless of it being opposite of what the current body of professional wildlife managers believe is simply foolish.

In the mid 1990's at an ISE Sport Show in Salt Lake City I personally asked Jim Shockey his opinion of the high fence killing/shooting pawned off as hunting on various TV hunting channels. He said it best, "It's enough to make you puke!"

But Leopardtrack if your location really is New York City then I'm sure you know more about Fair Chase hunting than the board of directors at The Boone and Crockett Club and the current leaders in wildlife science, management, and conservation at The Wildlife Society.

Me thinks several of the members on AR, like Scott Powell, need to decide if they are shooters, killers, or hunters!!!

Sorry Earl,

You sir are not qualified to carry Mr. Shores dirty laundry when comparing intellect, dedication to conservation and hunting experience. In fact as was explained by an earlier by a more polite poster than myself, your "life resume" rates you as a mere piker compared to many on this forum. So how about dialing down the self righteous act a bit?

Jeff

Found the signal.

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

quote:

Originally posted by Echoanne12:
Leopardtrack,
If calling out Larry Shores or anybody else on AR who refers to me as "an inbred jackass" for going to a federal public hearing to speak out in support of the continuation of the annual youth elk hunt on The National Elk Refuge in Jackson, Wyoming then so be it! Talk about respect from Mr. Shores!

And I never stated I was a Biology teacher, just that two states certified me to be so. Read my posts more correctly.

I stand by my original post regarding the great Broadmouth Canyon elk shoot that many AR so called "hunters" believe in. There's only three ways those elk of that size occur in a roughly 5,000 acre high fenced enclosure:
1. They are captive bred inside the enclosure and raised for the purpose of being shot later.
2. They are purchased from an elk captive breeding facility and then trucked in for the purpose of being shot later.
3. They are captured from wild free ranging herds and then trucked in to Broadmouth Canyon Ranch.
None of those scenarios amounts to fair chase hunting. It's shooting or killing - not fair chase hunting.
Sadly guys like Larry Shores and especially Scott Powell, don't realize the fact they are playing right into the hands of the anti hunters who monitor hunting web sites such as AR and others for material to use in their fundraising efforts. When guys post of the virtues of killing animals behind a high fence the anti hunters win.
Fair Chase hunting has nothing to do with the size or area of the high fence or escape proof enclosure. Again, go read the definition of Fair Chase and go read the position statement "Confinement of Wild Ungulates within High Fences" of The Wildlife Society, the foremost group of scientists, managers, educators, planners etc., who manage, conserve, and study wildlife and their habitats.

And please review the post that just occurred from WTHO about four guys hunting Aoudad in west Texas. Notice he advertises "free range hunting in west Texas." Now there's an example of such!

ANIMAL HUSBANDRY" : the practice of selectively breeding and raising livestock to promote desirable traits in animals for utility, sport, pleasure, or research".

At least Larry Shores presents a positive image of a hunter in shape in his posts. I'll have to give him that. But to state "I have my opinion" of high fence shooting of animals regardless of it being opposite of what the current body of professional wildlife managers believe is simply foolish.

In the mid 1990's at an ISE Sport Show in Salt Lake City I personally asked Jim Shockey his opinion of the high fence killing/shooting pawned off as hunting on various TV hunting channels. He said it best, "It's enough to make you puke!"

But Leopardtrack if your location really is New York City then I'm sure you know more about Fair Chase hunting than the board of directors at The Boone and Crockett Club and the current leaders in wildlife science, management, and conservation at The Wildlife Society.

Me thinks several of the members on AR, like Scott Powell, need to decide if they are shooters, killers, or hunters!!!

Sorry Earl,

You sir are not qualified to carry Mr. Shores dirty laundry when comparing intellect, dedication to conservation and hunting experience. In fact as was explained by an earlier by a more polite poster than myself, your "life resume" rates you as a mere piker compared to many on this forum. So how about dialing down the self righteous act a bit?

Jeff

Jeff, some people are best enjoyed and they are their most insightful when experienced on Ignore.

Wow, easyannie, you sure cocky little bastard
Common man, as others said, we are here to enjoy, comment, discuss etc. sometimes disagree
You just relax and try not to be so knowitall dude

Larry Root has left the building...

Damn. My wife slept in. Earl, Larry Root, Echoanne or whoever he is has made no posts. No one is telling me how I am doing every thing wrong today. I don't know what to do with myself.

Just kidding .

Just wait...it's still early...

Teenagers tend to sleep in late. He'll show up.

He's no teenager. He's a delusional, decrepit old man with a personality disorder. Over on 24 Hour Campfire, he has been ejected at least fifty times with as many different logins and so has he here, He spends half his time in Pinedale Wyoming and the other half in Key West so I suspect in addition to all of the above, he's also a turd burglar...

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:
He's no teenager. He's a delusional, decrepit old man with a personality disorder. Over on 24 Hour Campfire, he has been ejected at least fifty times with as many different logins and so has he here, He spends half his time in Pinedale Wyoming and the other half in Key West so I suspect in addition to all of the above, he's also a turd burglar...

Funny how no matter the number of times he resurfaces, those familiar with his antics can spot him almost immediately, due solely to his level of douchbagery.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Damn. My wife slept in. Earl, Larry Root, Echoanne or whoever he is has made no posts. No one is telling me how I am doing every thing wrong today. I don't know what to do with myself.

Just kidding .

Tie your shoe Larry...there, is that better?

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Heym 450/400:
Hunting doesn't always have to be about how hard it is. Sometimes hunting can just be about camaraderie and relaxing. Different strokes for different folks...get over it.

THIS!

100% and more.

People often say they hunt with primitive weapons, different methods, or confine themselves to whatever their version of a trophy is because its harder.

Naturally I want everyone to be as happy as possible; so suggest that they hunt barefooted or on their hands, hungry and cold, or with broken equipment, terrible weather or in the worst areas they can find or perhaps with incompetent thieves for guides. They should be practically giddy with pleasure, since the difficulty gauge is in the red. Strangely; nobody seems to want to do it.

That has sort of lead me to believe that they just doing what they wanted to do, the way they wanted to. Its just that some expect everyone to impressed by their choices.