To me it sounds like someone paying ther hamburger rate has choked on the sirloin and wants to bitch about choking on it

That's exactly what I'm trying to say. The hunter is not bitching because he knew he paid for a hamburger and not a sirloin. All he is doing is reporting how his hunt went. Would you be happy if he lied that everything went Hunky dory? I repeat again that my friend was not expecting a wild Botswana lion for the price of a fenced lion, his objection is that he was expecting a mature lion and atleast his PH to have been honest that he was shooting a young lion instead of (what seems like) drugging the poor thing and placing him in a tree and making the client shoot him in the back.
I agree that it's not a hunt, I personally wouldn't do this, the point is that a hunt was advertised on AR, if it is not acceptable to book this hunt then such Advertisements should be banned from AR, but they are not.
If someone books it and doesn't want any refunds, doesn't want anything but to tell his story that perhaps someone else who is not experienced enough and is led to believe that this is a fair chase "hunt" and how "dangerous" it is then they should know his side of the story.

Pir, I ask you to ask your friend this question with the up-most respect intended.

Does he genuinely believe that the outfitter could have manufactured placing the lion in the said tree for who knows how long for the timely minute when your friend came along to shoot it ?
Is your friend seriously suggesting that the fraud committed was the outfitter placing a lion in a tree in order to conceal its less than full mane ?

Yes sir he genuinely believes that and here is why:

they took him out in the morning and they shot a female which was lying down under a tree and the PH asked him to shoot her while she was sleeping. After taking pictures they took him to have lunch/snooze and when they got back in the field they drove around for a bit and then got a call on the radio by someone who told them that "a lion has spotted at such and such place" they drove to that tree to find a lion literally sleeping on a branch like a leopard with his head hidden behind the branches, the PH took the hunter near the tree and asked him to shoot the lion in the back. If this scenario doesn't seem fishy to you then there is something seriously wrong with your sense of smell. :-)

You tell me something sir, do lions sleep alone on trees when they are not pushed or threatened or eating anything up there?

Do you not think this "most experienced lion hunter in South Africa" should have seen what the Lion looked like, told his client or atleast waited until this leopard like lion stepped down from the tree so the hunter could have seen what he was shooting and also made a more ethical shot?
This was day one by the way.

I'm trying to load the video and pictures but I can't seem to do it from my iPhone. I will do that as soon as I get back home and have my computer.

Isn't the whole episode fishy anyway?

A farm bred lion, which the farmer no longer wants, and his sister, are sold as "trophies".

For a very cheap price, for 3 days, and no one notices the fact that something stinks?

If its any consolation, these two immature cats which were most probably heavily drugged, had their hearts beating when they were shot.

There is one old story about a lion having succumbed to the drug and died before he could be put under a tree with the remnants of a carcass to then be stalked and shot while "dozing".
The dead trophy was apparently blast frozen in the desired posture then taken out during the night for it to be shot sometime later the following morning.
The client however smelt a rat when the outfitter was trying to keep him from getting close to his trophy and desperately pushing for photographs to be taken back at the farmhouse after breakfast. He then discovered his lion had achieved an accelerated rigor mortis and had frosted over within minutes of dying.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
If its any consolation, these two immature cats which were most probably heavily drugged, had their hearts beating when they were shot.

There is one old story about a lion having succumbed to the drug and died before he could be put under a tree with the remnants of a carcass to then be stalked and shot while "dozing".
The dead trophy was apparently blast frozen in the desired posture then taken out during the night for it to be shot sometime later the following morning.
The client however smelt a rat when the outfitter was trying to keep him from getting close to his trophy and desperately pushing for photographs to be taken back at the farmhouse after breakfast. He then discovered his lion had achieved an accelerated rigor mortis and had frosted over within minutes of dying.

I've heard the same story only it involved a leopard.

I heard a leopard story like that too, only it came from Namibia. Twice to be honest on two separate occasions. Also turns out it was the DSC outfitter of the year within last 2-3 years. They've also been known to have a canned elephant hunt or two. Last I heard they had three EX ph's under investigation because of these things and a few others.

Like I said earlier, if there wasn't a demand for it, it wouldn't happen.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
I heard a leopard story like that too, only it came from Namibia. Twice to be honest on two separate occasions. Also turns out it was the DSC outfitter of the year within last 2-3 years. They've also been known to have a canned elephant hunt or two. Last I heard they had three EX ph's under investigation because of these things and a few others.

Like I said earlier, if there wasn't a demand for it, it wouldn't happen.

It would be good to you who you are referring to.... Please note the outfit.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Isn't the whole episode fishy anyway?

A farm bred lion, which the farmer no longer wants, and his sister, are sold as "trophies".

For a very cheap price, for 3 days, and no one notices the fact that something stinks?

I do. I tried to advise my friend to save and go for a real hunt but 'different strokes for different folks' like everyone is saying 'what else did he expect'

He just wanted other AR members to know about his experience with this particular PH.

I can't imagine why he would have booked this type of "hunt"...and I find it even more bizarre that, when it did play out the way it did, he would then advertise the fact that he booked it in the first place.

When one doesn't get what one has paid for, then bitching may be in order...but when one does get service commensurate with the price paid, well then...

Using the argument that "we were told this, and that, and blah, blah, blah, but we didn't get a quality hunt!" doesn't hold up very well in this case. I don't know if the hunt was misrepresented, but even a small amount of research would bring to light the reality of a lion hunt like this, regarldless of what the buyer has been told by the seller. When the buyer has the additional advantage of close personal friendship with an established hunting outfitter, who warns him away from the "hunt" that he is considering, but he goes on it anyway...what more can be said?

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
I heard a leopard story like that too, only it came from Namibia. Twice to be honest on two separate occasions. Also turns out it was the DSC outfitter of the year within last 2-3 years. They've also been known to have a canned elephant hunt or two. Last I heard they had three EX ph's under investigation because of these things and a few others.

Like I said earlier, if there wasn't a demand for it, it wouldn't happen.

It would be good to you who you are referring to.... Please note the outfit.

Sent you a PM.

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Originally posted by Pir_Danish:
Yes sir he genuinely believes that and here is why:

they took him out in the morning and they shot a female which was lying down under a tree and the PH asked him to shoot her while she was sleeping. After taking pictures they took him to have lunch/snooze and when they got back in the field they drove around for a bit and then got a call on the radio by someone who told them that "a lion has spotted at such and such place" they drove to that tree to find a lion literally sleeping on a branch like a leopard with his head hidden behind the branches, the PH took the hunter near the tree and asked him to shoot the lion in the back. If this scenario doesn't seem fishy to you then there is something seriously wrong with your sense of smell. :-)

You tell me something sir, do lions sleep alone on trees when they are not pushed or threatened or eating anything up there?

Do you not think this "most experienced lion hunter in South Africa" should have seen what the Lion looked like, told his client or atleast waited until this leopard like lion stepped down from the tree so the hunter could have seen what he was shooting and also made a more ethical shot?
This was day one by the way.

I'm trying to load the video and pictures but I can't seem to do it from my iPhone. I will do that as soon as I get back home and have my computer.

Pir, firstly my post meant no disrespect what-so-ever.
I guess I just find the choreography required to pull of such a stunt hard to fathom, but I will concede I was NOT there and therefore will not judge.

In saying that, without any physical proof I also believe it may be, at best, unfair to hang the outfitter on a "gut-feel", but then again I was not there and hence will not judge.

We seem to be trying to put the blame on someone.

Neither Limpopo Big Game Safaris, nor Pir_Danish have done anything wrong.

The client has only himself to blame.

This is like buying something advertised "AS IS WHERE IS", and then going home and start bitching about it.

Situations like this is why I demand that anyone that is guiding my clients in Africa speaks nothing but ENGLISH.

The constant chatter in Afrikaans is extremely rude and unprofessional. SCI and Dallas Safari should at least make a formal statement and recommend the use of English for the American hunters that they represent. Yes, you are in a foreign land but how many other Americans feel this way that have hunted Africa several times? Please respond.


The top Outfitters in Africa already know this because they have nothing to hide.

Of course there are times when a PH needs to communicate to the trackers and rangers in Tswana,Shona,Ndebele, Zulu,Portuguese,Bemba etc. Lots of national languages in every country over there.
My experience is that they communicate with their trackers in English most of the time anyway. When a PH pulls up to a farm with clients in the buggy and starts talking to the owner, both should be speaking in English.

Do you know the two commonalitys that most new age African PH's associate with people, especially Americans, that come to hunt in RSA?

Rich and Stupid!

PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Personally this is not hunting and has nothing to do with the sport we all love. AR is a hunting site which a lot of people including non hunters use reference to. As much as I appreciate AR I think it would be good to ban canned hunts from been advertised here or at least have them under a separate title like " Put and Take" or "Harvest animals" for example but to have them even associated with hunting in any way is doing us no favors.

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Personally this is not hunting and has nothing to do with the sport we all love. AR is a hunting site which a lot of people including non hunters use reference to. As much as I appreciate AR I think it would be good to ban canned hunts from been advertised here or at least have them under a separate title like " Put and Take" or "Harvest animals" for example but to have them even associated with hunting in any way is doing us no favors.

Buzz,

Any hunt, which is legally allowed in it country, is freely allowed to be posted on AR.

Where do we actually stop calling something HUNTING?

What definition do we use?

Isn't most plains game hunting in South Africa farm bred for hunting?

Isn't a lot of game animals are bred, worldwide, for hunting?

How about bird hunting?

By us standing in support of the antis in this case - despite the fact that many of us do NOT consider this hunting, we are digging our own graves.

The antis do not deferential between anything to do with hunting.

Their sole purpose to ban hunting completely.

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Situations like this is why I demand that anyone that is guiding my clients in Africa speaks nothing but ENGLISH.

The constant chatter in Afrikaans is extremely rude and unprofessional. SCI and Dallas Safari should at least make a formal statement and recommend the use of English for the American hunters that they represent. Yes, you are in a foreign land but how many other Americans feel this way that have hunted Africa several times? Please respond.

A little off topic but you hit a home run with that response. I cannot stand when a PH walks into the
dining room, in front of the clients, and starts speaking in Afrikaans. I'm with you 100%

Or have your PH cell phone go on at certain times of the stalk

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Pir, I echo Buzz's comment. Your friend, albeit via you a member of the forum, is not too embarrassed to voice their negative experience, concerned over the criticism for being "naive", nor using AR to leverage a refund or other compensation as we see often. In fact, I would guess he's not received his "trophies" yet?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Personally this is not hunting and has nothing to do with the sport we all love. AR is a hunting site which a lot of people including non hunters use reference to. As much as I appreciate AR I think it would be good to ban canned hunts from been advertised here or at least have them under a separate title like " Put and Take" or "Harvest animals" for example but to have them even associated with hunting in any way is doing us no favors.

Buzz,

Where do we actually stop calling something HUNTING?

What definition do we use?

I have to side with Buzz on this.

I shot one of our steers the other day for some friends that wanted some organic beef. It was a wild steer that had been out on pasture all summer and I had a heck of a time getting close for a brain shot. I actually ended up baiting it with some oats. Some might say I hunted that steer, even though I baited it.

I don’t like telling people their business, because its exactly that, their business. If you want to go shoot an animal that was bred and raised as a commodity, go for it, lets just call it what it is, and its not hunting. Like the steer, killing a captive bred lion is just that, killing. No amount of story telling or dramatics will change that.

As far as what we call hunting I like Merriam- Webster’s definition. Emphasis on the WILD part.

Merriam-Webster

Hunting:

The activity or sport of chasing and killing wild animals.

Buzz, have you considered running for President? Lord knows we need a worthwhile candidate.

You are a natural politician. You type two short paragraphs and have folks on both sides of the issue agreeing with each separate paragraph. Well done!

Buzz for President
Andrew Baldry--VP
Neil Duckworth--Secretary of the Interior
Cliff Walker--Secretary of Defense

Fill in the rest later, these guys would certainly do better than what we have now.

Which bumper sticker do you want Mike:

Keep Calm and Get a Buzz On . . . Buzz Charlton for President 2016

The Kenyan was a Bust, Let's Try the Zimbo, Buzz Charlton for President 2016

Just let me know.

I like both bumper stickers.

Imagine this, instead of an Easter Egg hunt we could do a high fence lion hunt on the White House lawn. It was a cattle killer that slipped under the fence from the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History.

. . . obviously you are pushing yourself for Chief of Staff coming up with cutting edge ideas like that. When we see you show up on Dancing With the Stars like Rick Perry we will know your transformation to full fledged political operative is complete.

Buzz,
Got your long form birth certificate, tax returns and health records ready? We'll also need every email you ever sent or received (but we can always just get the Russians to steal them)...

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Originally posted by d.unger:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Personally this is not hunting and has nothing to do with the sport we all love. AR is a hunting site which a lot of people including non hunters use reference to. As much as I appreciate AR I think it would be good to ban canned hunts from been advertised here or at least have them under a separate title like " Put and Take" or "Harvest animals" for example but to have them even associated with hunting in any way is doing us no favors.

Buzz,

Where do we actually stop calling something HUNTING?

What definition do we use?

I have to side with Buzz on this.

I shot one of our steers the other day for some friends that wanted some organic beef. It was a wild steer that had been out on pasture all summer and I had a heck of a time getting close for a brain shot. I actually ended up baiting it with some oats. Some might say I hunted that steer, even though I baited it.

I don’t like telling people their business, because its exactly that, their business. If you want to go shoot an animal that was bred and raised as a commodity, go for it, lets just call it what it is, and its not hunting. Like the steer, killing a captive bred lion is just that, killing. No amount of story telling or dramatics will change that.

As far as what we call hunting I like Merriam- Webster’s definition. Emphasis on the WILD part.

Merriam-Webster

Hunting:

The activity or sport of chasing and killing wild animals.

It's killing livestock either way. I always figured there were probably huntable bulls that have never been touched by a human in Texas.

If this sort of thing doesn't appeal to you, it is rather easily handled by not doing it. Whether or not it is hunting or killing livestock is only important to the client. Both hunting and killing livestock are legal enough and moral enough, and happen everyday.

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Originally posted by Dogleg:
If this sort of thing doesn't appeal to you, it is rather easily handled by not doing it. Whether or not it is hunting or killing livestock is only important to the client. Both hunting and killing livestock are legal enough and moral enough, and happen everyday.

Standing in and facing one of these with a double might be sport.

VIDEO

Wow! I don't know which is more astonishing: the terrific beatings taken by some of those people...or the fact that several of them emerge from those beatings with their cigarettes still firmly clenched in their teeth!

Thanks d.unger,

I was ready to answer Saeed's question, but you already did so very concisely.

By definition, it is not possible to hunt livestock.

Hunters need to reclaim this identity.

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Originally posted by walking buffalo:
Thanks d.unger,

I was ready to answer Saeed's question, but you already did so very concisely.

By definition, it is not possible to hunt livestock.

Hunters need to reclaim this identity.

Interesting discussion. I believe the captive bred/livestock/put and take issue is THE slipperiest of slippery slopes, we dare discuss.

Is a Asiatic Water Buffalo hunt in OZ a hunt? How about hunting Scrub Bulls on the same hunt?

If it is hunting by your personal definition or ethics, yet another AR member thinks it isn't, who is right? Is anyone right or wrong?

I think we might all learn the lesson to read these hunt reports and hunt offerings and if we don't have an honest interest in said offering, move along and say nothing. As a demographic, we seem to have this desire to have the last word.

I personally could not care less about canned this or fenced that. At least not enough to make a public, negative statement as to its credibility.

As Saeed has stated in previous threads, I have had some fantastic hunting behind fences in South Africa.

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Originally posted by walking buffalo:
Thanks d.unger,

I was ready to answer Saeed's question, but you already did so very concisely.

By definition, it is not possible to hunt livestock.

Hunters need to reclaim this identity.

Just imagine all South African and Namibian farms adverting their hunts.

FRESHLY BRED LIVESTOCK TO SHOOT! ANY OFFERS WILL BE CONSIDERED

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by walking buffalo:
Thanks d.unger,

I was ready to answer Saeed's question, but you already did so very concisely.

By definition, it is not possible to hunt livestock.

Hunters need to reclaim this identity.

Just imagine all South African and Namibian farms adverting their hunts.

FRESHLY BRED LIVESTOCK TO SHOOT! ANY OFFERS WILL BE CONSIDERED

At least that would be truthful advertising.

I've shot fenced animals. It was usually fun, but I will never describe those circumstances as "Hunting", regardless of the difficulty in the kill. Nor have I ever believed that such operations should be using the term.

By definition in the English language,
hunting is the pursuit of WILD animals.


Steve, you have associated my comment with a position of right or wrong in killing fenced animals. I never stated an opinion.
There is a saying about making assumptions.

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Originally posted by Pir_Danish:
Yes sir he genuinely believes that and here is why:

they took him out in the morning and they shot a female which was lying down under a tree and the PH asked him to shoot her while she was sleeping. After taking pictures they took him to have lunch/snooze and when they got back in the field they drove around for a bit and then got a call on the radio by someone who told them that "a lion has spotted at such and such place" they drove to that tree to find a lion literally sleeping on a branch like a leopard with his head hidden behind the branches, the PH took the hunter near the tree and asked him to shoot the lion in the back. If this scenario doesn't seem fishy to you then there is something seriously wrong with your sense of smell. :-)

You tell me something sir, do lions sleep alone on trees when they are not pushed or threatened or eating anything up there?

Do you not think this "most experienced lion hunter in South Africa" should have seen what the Lion looked like, told his client or atleast waited until this leopard like lion stepped down from the tree so the hunter could have seen what he was shooting and also made a more ethical shot?
This was day one by the way.

I'm trying to load the video and pictures but I can't seem to do it from my iPhone. I will do that as soon as I get back home and have my computer.

Pir,

That is exactly what happened sir.

The only other scenario I can think of is that the Botswana cat did jump so high over the fence that he hit his head on a branch thus rendering him unconscious. And the famous Lion hunting PH could not believe his luck. We English have a saying - you do not look a gift horse in the mouth.

Bloody lucky the Lion did not jump down and give him a good licking.

Cheers

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Originally posted by d.unger:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Personally this is not hunting and has nothing to do with the sport we all love. AR is a hunting site which a lot of people including non hunters use reference to. As much as I appreciate AR I think it would be good to ban canned hunts from been advertised here or at least have them under a separate title like " Put and Take" or "Harvest animals" for example but to have them even associated with hunting in any way is doing us no favors.

Buzz,

Where do we actually stop calling something HUNTING?

What definition do we use?

I have to side with Buzz on this.

I shot one of our steers the other day for some friends that wanted some organic beef. It was a wild steer that had been out on pasture all summer and I had a heck of a time getting close for a brain shot. I actually ended up baiting it with some oats. Some might say I hunted that steer, even though I baited it.

I don’t like telling people their business, because its exactly that, their business. If you want to go shoot an animal that was bred and raised as a commodity, go for it, lets just call it what it is, and its not hunting. Like the steer, killing a captive bred lion is just that, killing. No amount of story telling or dramatics will change that.

As far as what we call hunting I like Merriam- Webster’s definition. Emphasis on the WILD part.

Merriam-Webster

Hunting:

The activity or sport of chasing and killing wild animals.

Have to disagree there. Some years back myself and PH Richard Bell Cross were paid (in beef) to shoot some oversized scrub bulls on a farm outside of Lusaka. Some had tried before us and failed. These bulls lived in very thick shit that entangled a small stream and were as wise as buffalo. First day were were a little complacent but after a couple of days hunting we both agreed that these animals should be treated with the utmost respect at close quarters and considered dangerous.

I told the farmer to that we would like to book for next year.

There you go Saeed - Brahmam & Baldry Safaris. I can also organise some fantastic sheep hunting for you.

When we were hunting in South Africa, the farmer asked me to shoot any domestic bull we see, as they have escaped and he wanted to get rid of them.

I told him I will more than happy to do so, but I am not paying for them

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
PIR- I am sorry you are taking "heat" for telling your friends story and for nothing else then the benefit of fellow AR folks.

Personally this is not hunting and has nothing to do with the sport we all love. AR is a hunting site which a lot of people including non hunters use reference to. As much as I appreciate AR I think it would be good to ban canned hunts from been advertised here or at least have them under a separate title like " Put and Take" or "Harvest animals" for example but to have them even associated with hunting in any way is doing us no favors.

Buzz,

Any hunt, which is legally allowed in it country, is freely allowed to be posted on AR.

Where do we actually stop calling something HUNTING?

What definition do we use?

Isn't most plains game hunting in South Africa farm bred for hunting?

Isn't a lot of game animals are bred, worldwide, for hunting?

How about bird hunting?

By us standing in support of the antis in this case - despite the fact that many of us do NOT consider this hunting, we are digging our own graves.

The antis do not deferential between anything to do with hunting.

Their sole purpose to ban hunting completely.

I totally agree with Saeed on this. Where would it end...shooting stocked pheasant s over dogs? How about stocked trout?

It's the hunters responsibility to research the hunt that he is considering.

It's also on the PH to be honest about what he's selling but ultimately its buyer beware

Sirs,
All of you should read my posts regarding the fiasco at Broadmouth Canyon Ranch in Utah in the American Hunting section of AR. I clearly reference both the Boone and Crockett Club definition of Fair Chase in regards to hunting as well as The Wildlife Society - the foremost collection of professionally trained wildlife biologists in the United States. Many of our state game and fish agencies use and follow the same tenets of fair chase in regards to managing our public wildlife.
FAIR CHASE is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any FREE RANGING native big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals. FREE RANGING is further defined as: any native North American big game animal that is UNRESTRICTED within its biological home range, has adequate cover, and reasonable opportunity to elude the hunter.

While this references hunting in North America the concept of UNRESTRICTED and FREE RANGING should guide all of us who call ourselves hunters - regardless of the continent in which we pursue wild animals.

Thank goodness in this forum there are some intelligent and accomplished critical thinkers such as: walking buffalo, Buzz Charlton, fairgame, Dogleg, and d.unger. I applaude your wisdom! Maybe you guys can convey some wisdom to Larry Shores and Scott Powell!!

walking buffalo - you are absolutely correct - shooting fenced animals is not hunting - regardless of the continent in which it occurs AND REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.

dogleg - you are absolutely correct - killing livestock or wild animals bred in captivity and then released is not hunting - it is animal husbandry - not hunting

fairgame and d.unger - you are also absolutely correct in your posts! Thank you.

I would suggest any AR members look up the definition of animal husbandry as well.

Sadly many of the so called hunters in America such as Larry Shores, Scott Powell, and worst of all Ted Nugent, unknowingly play right into the hands of the fundraising efforts of the anti hunters by participating in shooting or killing of animals on high fenced areas. That is anything but UNRESTRICTED.

While living in Wyoming in the 1990's I had the opportunity to offer public comment on hunting at the National Elk Refuge in Jackson, Wyoming. I spoke out in favor of such, particularily the youth hunt offered. I testified that regulated sport hunting is a scientifically valid wildlife management tool. I was then approached by Andrea Lacocco of The Fund For Animals who was also in attendance. She spoke out against any hunting on the National Elk Refuge. She flatly told me that the Fund For Animals and other anti hunting groups use video, TV programs, statements, magazine articles, and web postings of the killing of wildlife behind high fenced areas in their fundraising efforts.

Furthermore it is a scientific fact that containment behind high fenced enclosures of hoofed ungulates in close proximity leads to or may contribute to the spread of contagious wildlife diseases such as brucellosis, bacterial pneumonia, and CWD among others.

Are you a shooter, killer, or hunter?