At a price never seen before Limpopo Big Game Safaris is offering a fully exportable Lion Package at an incredible price of $10000.00 all inclusive.

1 x Male Lion inc. CITES Permit
1 x Lioness inc. CITES Permit
3 x Full Hunting days Including Accommodation
Airport pickup OR Tambo to Camp and return


$10'000.00

NB. Trophies can be exported if your country allows the importation of Lions. Trophies can not be exported at a later date than when the hunt took place.

Packages Includes
01. Service of a Licensed Professional Hunter
02. The service of trained trackers
03. The service of trained skinners
04. Hunting vehicle
05. Field preparation of trophies
06. Accommodation, meals and soft drinks as well as beer and wine in moderation
07. Daily laundry service
08. Trophy animals as specified
09. Road transport from OR Tambo International, Johannesburg to the hunting area and back.
10. The use of a camp firearm, should you require so.

Packages do not include
01. All air travel before and after the contracted period of the Safari
02. Accommodation and travel charges incurred before and after the contracted period of the Safari
03. Trophy fees for additional animals taken or wounded
04. All air charters
05. Gratuities to Professional hunters and other staff members
06. Preparation, packing, documentation and export of trophies

Kind regards
Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris
www.lbgsafaris.com
lbgsafaris@yahoo.com
Mobile phone: +27 711528411
Viber calls: +27 711258411
Whatsapp: +27 711528411

Although Lion hunts may not appeal to everyone and some countries don't allow the importation, this is an awesome opportunity for those who would like to hunt a Lion for the experience.

Rest assure that this hunt will meet all your excitement expectations as you will be guided by one of South Africa's most experienced Lion PH.

For more options and to discuss details, please contact me via email at lbgsafaris@yahoo.com

For those using whatsapp, you can add me at +27711528411

Kind Regards
Bossie Mostert

We still have a few open dates and packages available.
Thanks to the AR members for the three packages that have been sold.

I wonder if the lions would be exportable to the USA or not?

$10,000 is a hell of a good bargain for a lion, unless this is a really small property.

Exportable sure...importable is where the question arises!

Good Day Guys

Thank you for your interest in the Lion combo package.

Currently the USFW does not allow the importation of Lion trophies into the US.
Hopefully this will change in future.

Counties that don't allow importation.

1. United States of America
2. France
3. Australia

There might be more that I am not aware of. Please confirm with your local authorities prior to booking.

It has come to my attention that the next CITES meeting will be held in South Africa at around September month.

Anyone considering to hunt Lion who is not a resident or citizen of one of the above mentioned countries would be advised to make arrangements before September as the outcome of the meeting might include more countries considering or even taking the step to ban importation.

Please feel free to contact us at
lbgsafaris@yahoo.com
or
+27 711528411
for any information required

Kind Regards
Bossie & Henriette Mostert

How large is the hunting area? Is walk and stalk hunt? Thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by Paulo Oliveira:
How large is the hunting area? Is walk and stalk hunt? Thank you.

Good Day Sir

The hunting area is around 8000acres.
The hunt is walk and stalk, baiting can be done on request.

Kind Regards
Bossie and Henriette Mostert

are these lions recently released on the area or have they always been free roaming.

quote:

Originally posted by npd345:
are these lions recently released on the area or have they always been free roaming.

Good day Sir

The Lions are captive bred and resident on the farm.

Kind Regards
Bossie and Henriette Mostert

Gentlemen, most of you know me as a well reputable outfitter in Pakistan, I saw this offer and passed it to my partner who insisted on collecting the lion in RSA because of the price. Sadly he had an issue as the PH made him shoot a 3 years old male lion which had not even had a fully grown mane. He is made to believe that the lions move in freely from Botswana not captive bred as mentioned above. The whole hunt was filmed but we are waiting for Mr. Bossie to investigate what happened and get back to us. The lion in question that was shot was apparently sleeping in a tree with his head hidden in branches and my friend was asked to shoot him quickly without the PH determining the mane or age of the lion. A detailed hunt report will be submitted to hunting report. AR, SCI magazine once we have recieved a final reply from Limpopo Big Game safaris through whom this hunt was booked. Regards.
Danish Ali Pir
www.indussafaris.com

I could be wrong but it seems like the listing disclosed all the information. Not taking any sides here but i cant see an issue.

Well, I guess the ad does just state a male lion, not a mature male lion but if the hunter was told they come from Bots he was lied to.

quote:

Originally posted by Hunting For Adventure:
I could be wrong but it seems like the listing disclosed all the information. Not taking any sides here but i cant see an issue.

True to a certain extent as it applies to this offer.

He is being very honest and mentioned that the lions are bred in captivity, and the size of the area

But, according to Pir_Danish, they were led to believe that the lions were wild.

Also, I would hazzard a guess that anyone hunting a lion would expect a fully grown lion with a mane.

If the offer was specific to an immature male, it should have been forward with that.

But, may be the PH made a mess of it in the above example, as he instructed the client to shoot a lion without actually seeing his head.

Again, this raises another point.

The lion is being hunted on an enclosed area, and he cannot really escape, so looking at his mane should not have been a problem whatsoever.

So the PH running the hunt really needs to learn what he is doing.

I am not sure if it is the same PH who is going to be on this hunt as was on the previous one.

If it is, and by saying he has a lot of lion hunting, he is obviously cannot be described correctly, as I do not know a single PH who would get his client to shoot an animal without first appraising it properly.

I suppose this is where one sees a glaring difference between a PH who spends all his time hunting on farm, and a PH who actually hunts free range animals.

As many of you know, I have nothing against hunting lions that have been bred in captivity.

And this offer is being very clear about it, and I certainly appreciate Bossie's honesty.

Ridiculous. Entirely. And also disgraceful.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Ridiculous. Entirely. And also disgraceful.

Why?

Because the lions are bred in captivity?

Isn't most hunting in South Africa is of animals bred in captivity?

How about so called "put and take"?

quote:

Originally posted by Pir_Danish:
Gentlemen, most of you know me as a well reputable outfitter in Pakistan, I saw this offer and passed it to my partner who insisted on collecting the lion in RSA because of the price. Sadly he had an issue as the PH made him shoot a 3 years old male lion which had not even had a fully grown mane. He is made to believe that the lions move in freely from Botswana not captive bred as mentioned above. The whole hunt was filmed but we are waiting for Mr. Bossie to investigate what happened and get back to us. The lion in question that was shot was apparently sleeping in a tree with his head hidden in branches and my friend was asked to shoot him quickly without the PH determining the mane or age of the lion. A detailed hunt report will be submitted to hunting report. AR, SCI magazine once we have recieved a final reply from Limpopo Big Game safaris through whom this hunt was booked. Regards.
Danish Ali Pir
www.indussafaris.com

I think Pir you should have known better. The Botswana Lion scam has been around for years.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by Pir_Danish:
Gentlemen, most of you know me as a well reputable outfitter in Pakistan, I saw this offer and passed it to my partner who insisted on collecting the lion in RSA because of the price. Sadly he had an issue as the PH made him shoot a 3 years old male lion which had not even had a fully grown mane. He is made to believe that the lions move in freely from Botswana not captive bred as mentioned above. The whole hunt was filmed but we are waiting for Mr. Bossie to investigate what happened and get back to us. The lion in question that was shot was apparently sleeping in a tree with his head hidden in branches and my friend was asked to shoot him quickly without the PH determining the mane or age of the lion. A detailed hunt report will be submitted to hunting report. AR, SCI magazine once we have recieved a final reply from Limpopo Big Game safaris through whom this hunt was booked. Regards.
Danish Ali Pir
www.indussafaris.com

I think Pir you should have known better. The Botswana Lion scam has been around for years.

Very true.

So is the claim that a lion is a cattle killer and it needs to be killed

quote:

Originally posted by Pir_Danish:
Gentlemen, most of you know me as a well reputable outfitter in Pakistan, I saw this offer and passed it to my partner who insisted on collecting the lion in RSA because of the price. Sadly he had an issue as the PH made him shoot a 3 years old male lion which had not even had a fully grown mane. He is made to believe that the lions move in freely from Botswana not captive bred as mentioned above. The whole hunt was filmed but we are waiting for Mr. Bossie to investigate what happened and get back to us. The lion in question that was shot was apparently sleeping in a tree with his head hidden in branches and my friend was asked to shoot him quickly without the PH determining the mane or age of the lion. A detailed hunt report will be submitted to hunting report. AR, SCI magazine once we have recieved a final reply from Limpopo Big Game safaris through whom this hunt was booked. Regards.
Danish Ali Pir
www.indussafaris.com

Good day Sir

Thank you for your concern and comment. However I can't see any reason why you wish to wait for a final reply from my side before you publish a hunt report on AR and SCI magazine.
Please feel free to publish as you feel.

The hunt was never said to be a 100% wild Botswana Lion. The Lions are captive bred and released to roam free on 60000ha of which some farms are adjacent to Botswana.

The client booked a 3 day Lion Safaris with me. After discussions about the number of days I added (at no extra charge) two days to his hunt.
Dates were scheduled and rescheduled three times. The client finally arrived 2 days later than expected.

Now only having three days to hunt I gave specific instructions to the appointed Professional Hunter that he has to work hard to get the clients his two Lions. I would not blame the Professional Hunted for not looking for another Lion or taking what he had found under the circumstances and pressure he was put.
I put pressure on the Professional Hunter due to the time frame and he did was he was told to do.

However I was in the process of trying to solve the problem on a professional way between me and the client, asking him to give me time to find out what had happened and how old the Lion was.

Seeing there is now a third party who I have never heard of before that tries to solve the problem, I don't feel needed anymore.

As most of the people on AR know you as a well reputable outfitter in Pakistan, I am sure you will be able to come up with a plan for your partner.

Kind Regards
Bossie Mostert
Limpopo Big Game Safaris
+27 711 528 411
www.lbgsafaris.com
lbgsafaris@yahoo.com

Mate for ten grand that is what you get. No more and no less.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Two sides to every story.

For what it is worth, I had emailed Bossie about this hunt the day he posted it. He responded quickly and was TOTALLY straight forward about the cats being captive bred and the size of the ranch to be hunted. It did not work out for me to go on the hunt but I am quite positive that he was not trying to mislead anyone that expressed an interest in his offer.

Guy got a more than fair deal....
Funny too how people so focused on "getting a deal" are also so quick to then have issues around "getting what they paid for"...

This was clearly advertised as a captive bred hunt and was a SMOKING good deal on two lions.
Guy kills two Lions and bitches (and leaves out everything else like only giving them three days and changing dates)

Cheapest Lion hunt ever seen and the guy is bitching.

What's wrong with three year old lion?
For that matter three years old wolf, mountain lion, bear, whitetail etc.
Mane Mane Mane...
Is that all there is to it? Mane?
Bossie seems to be straight forward with this offer and it seems to me as a great offer
Lots of PG gets hunted on lot less
Besides us clients can be Royal pain in the ass and we can be notorious complainers if things don't go our way like " top Rowland award not there , well cry me a river and on I can go "
Shit, we can be bunch of old women, really...
It's hunting for Petes sake

An offer like this, for two lions at such a price, to be done in 3 days, and the client has the nerve to complain??

The mind boggles!

I have been hunting for so many years, and we spend days on end shooting and putting up baits just for a lion every year. And if we manage to get one lion every few years, we are quite happy!!??

Reminds me of so many of the top SCI entries, that have been bought from a farm, transported to another location, and the so called hunter is called on the phone to fly over and kill his trophy so he can brag about it.


All it boils down to is shooting.

And certainly cannot under any circumstances be called hunting.

It seems the offer was as plain as daylight, and the clients certainly has no leg to stand on.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
An offer like this, for two lions at such a price, to be done in 3 days, and the client has the nerve to complain?

Yea Pir, your buddy shot an immature drugged lion out of a tree, what's not to love?

Why - at least to me when I read and re-read all the above posts - does an advertised "canned lion shoot" still have the same old spins? Fence jumping Botswana lions (when on the ground this time it would appear - do you guys know how stupid this sounds?), vagueness about the number of days released prior to hunting, smoke and mirrors regarding the farm-area vs the hunting-area, experienced Professional Hunters, etc. Sorry Bossie, but this is my take-away.

And if the package was advertisd and sold as a 3 day package, why the fire drill and excuses when the guy had 3 days to be in the field?

Or is it honestly - "Hey, pal, this what you get for 10k and oh by the way a lioness is included....what did you expect?". As was stated, trophy expectations (age) should have been spelled out though, remembering this was NOT a wild animal hunt.

I actually find Bossie's candor and directness on the issue quite refreshing, particularly his post yesterday. Of course as someone else noted, there are always two sides to every story.

Many of you know this, but two highly respected African Outfitters informed me about what was occurring on lion farms in years past. I do not think that this applies to every Outfitter and not saying that this is the protocol for the above PH.

Farmer gets very young cats to be adopted by greenies who have no idea the fate of the lion. They get pictures and updates on how their money is being used to protect the future of big cats.

The Lion gets to adulthood with a heavy main and Lion Farmer sells for thousands to a hunter who has no idea the full details about his hunt.

After the hunter gets his pictures the Lion's bones are sold legally to Asians for medicine and other remedies.

I have no problem with hunting captive bred lions that are not given drugs and hunted in large contained areas. Communicate honest and openly with your client and let him decide if he wants to participate in the hunt.

quote:

Originally posted by Capt. Purvis:
Many of you know this, but two highly respected African Outfitters informed me about what was occurring on lion farms in years past. I do not think that this applies to every Outfitter and not saying that this is the protocol for the above PH.

Farmer gets very young cats to be adopted by greenies who have no idea the fate of the lion. They get pictures and updates on how their money is being used to protect the future of big cats.

The Lion gets to adulthood with a heavy main and Lion Farmer sells for thousands to a hunter who has no idea the full details about his hunt.

After the hunter gets his pictures the Lion's bones are sold legally to Asians for medicine and other remedies.

Bloody hell.

Sounds like a perfect arrangement

No wonder pen raised lion hunting has come under such and attack......2 lions in 3 days? What would one expect?

quote:

Originally posted by Bill C:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
An offer like this, for two lions at such a price, to be done in 3 days, and the client has the nerve to complain?

Yea Pir, your buddy shot an immature drugged lion out of a tree, what's not to love?

Why - at least to me when I read and re-read all the above posts - does an advertised "canned lion shoot" still have the same old spins? Fence jumping Botswana lions (when on the ground this time it would appear - do you guys know how stupid this sounds?), vagueness about the number of days released prior to hunting, smoke and mirrors regarding the farm-area vs the hunting-area, experienced Professional Hunters, etc. Sorry Bossie, but this is my take-away.

And if the package was advertisd and sold as a 3 day package, why the fire drill and excuses when the guy had 3 days to be in the field?

Or is it honestly - "Hey, pal, this what you get for 10k and oh by the way a lioness is included....what did you expect?". As was stated, trophy expectations (age) should have been spelled out though, remembering this was NOT a wild animal hunt.

Totally agree Bill.

Yes, the guy showed up 2 days late...which means that he was there for the originally slated days. So how is it that the outfitter is saying that he put "pressure" on his PH to get the client the Lion?

Of course $10,000 is nothing for two Lions but by the way the hunt went down, I wouldn't pay 2 Cents for it.

This thread is an example of how desperate these guys are to sell off their Lions.

Where is the problem? Why all the complaining. He got what he paid for, I would do it in a minute had I the time. A lion is still a lion. If you think they are tame go try and pull its tail. I think you would wind up a furry turd, or at least be subbected to the ass whipping of a lifetime.

Gentlemen,

I am in my ancestral village in a rural part of Sindh Province therefore I couldn't reply sooner, as soon as I have some decent internet connection I will post the screenshot of messages Bossie sent on Watsapp to my friend where he clearly says that he is surprised why the PH saw only one lion who was (believe it or not) sleeping in a tree with his head hidden behind branches, he also mentions in his conversation that these are wild lions that come in from Botswana (yes on this Ad Bossie clearly states that these are captive bred lions but in his communication with the client he claims these are wild lions that cross over from Botswana).

The funny thing is my friend has videod the whole trip from the moment he landed till he shot the lion and the land owner saying he is not more then 3 years of age. Bossie sent my friend a contract saying that this is a true fair chase hunt.

My humble submission is this:

1- My friend is not demanding for any refunds or being a cheapskate about all this.

2- the outfitter was not present and had arranged for the PH to pick him up from airport.

3- From day one I told him of all the canned lion hunting scams but he told me he did not have the time required to hunt a wild lion and he wanted one of those big South African maned lions. As Saeed correctly pointed out that if a South African Outfitter is advertising a male lion hunt it is obvious he will not be selling an immature make lion, and if he is he should clearly state this fact.

4- I also told my friend that it was ridiculous to expect a free roaming lion "that moves in from Botswana" and any such claims are absolute B.S. And my friend's objection was not that he was expecting a wild lion and lioness for $10,000. his objection was that he took time out and apparently fought with his conscious to hunt a fenced lion and he was led to believe that he is dealing with a professional outfitter who would be honest with him before making him shoot a lion in a tree without discussing with him what kind of an animal he was shooting at.

I will upload the copy of the contract, screenshots of Watsapp conversations where the outfitter is telling my friend that they are wild lions from Botswana that move into kalahari, the video where the PH gets off the vehicle, stalks straight to a tree where the lion in question is 'sleeping' alone on a tree with his head hidden and him telling the client to shoot him in the back without checking the head of the lion to determine age etc. I still blamed my friend that why did he pull the trigger, he would not feel this bad had he refused to shoot an animal that he couldn't judge, but obviously if he was experienced enough to think like this he wouldn't buy this bloody canned hunt to begin with and against my advice.

The hunt was sold as a 3 day hunt. my friend requested to extend to 5 days. He arrived two days late which means he was still on outfitters original schedule so I have no idea why this outfitter had to "Push" the PH. BTW They shot both lions in one day.

After the client took the shot, a virtually maneless and very young looking lion fell out of the tree.
If Anti hunters were to make a movie this whole scenario would be the ideal scene.

My only intention was to make sure that anyone wanting to do business with this outfitter should be made aware. I wanted to put forward my friend's opinion on this forum so other hunters can have a better picture of what to expect. (All the hunts I have booked for myself references like this have helped me, this is the whole point of this forum)

Also I told him exactly what you gents told me "what else did you expect"

But there is a saying in my language "Naqal ke liye bhee aqal ki zaroorat hotee hay" which means that "even to cheat one needs atleast a little intelligence".

Anyway lesson well learnt for my friend. :-)

Also when this friend told me his story and requested I share t with other hunters his experience he did not do so with the intention of bitching or complaining.
Maybe that is how it came across after the defensive and somewhat aggressive reply by this Soutb African outfitter. One of the reason beside the one I mention above is that it's because of stories like these that all us hunters get negative publicity. Even if it is a fenced hunt atleast the outfitter should have made sure that the hunter was shooting an old lion and not a young one who could still reproduce.

This is my opinion, it may not be right.

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pir_Danish:

The hunt was never said to be a 100% wild Botswana Lion. The Lions are captive bred and released to roam free on 60000ha of which some farms are adjacent to Botswana.

www.lbgsafaris.com
lbgsafaris@yahoo.com

Even This above information about the area being 60,000ha is just coming now.
Uptill now your ad stated that they are captive lions on a 8000ha farm.

I am a third party which you have never heard of before sir but unfortunately it was me who told my friend about this hunt because he had been telling me to inform him of any good deals on a South African lion hunt. He is not complaining about you and still says you are a gentleman, the problem is that you sold this hunt but you were not present with your client to make sure he doesn't end up shooting something that will not do the marketing of your company any good. Even if it was an Old lion that didn't have any mane would have made your client happy, when he bought this hunt he realised no matter what you said he was hunting a fenced lion, the issue was that he did not expect to find a lion sleeping in middle of the desert in a tree. We even sent you the clip. The most experienced lion hunting PH that you claimed would be guiding the client made my friend shoot a lion in the back without checking the head of the lion and discussing with his client what kind of a lion he was shooting at. You advertised this hunt as a 3 day hunt and then you claim that the PH made his client shoot the first male lion whose back he saw because he was under immense pressure to produce 2 lions in 3 days. If this was the case why was this hunt sold as a 3 day hunt?

quote:

Originally posted by Limpopo Big Game Safaris:


The hunt was never said to be a 100% wild Botswana Lion. The Lions are captive bred and released to roam free on 60000ha of which some farms are adjacent to Botswana.

Even This above information about the area being 60,000ha is just coming now.
Uptill now your ad stated that they are captive lions on a 8000ha farm.

I am a third party which you have never heard of before sir but unfortunately it was me who told my friend about this hunt because he had been telling me to inform him of any good deals on a South African lion hunt. He is not complaining about you and still says you are a gentleman, the problem is that you sold this hunt but you were not present with your client to make sure he doesn't end up shooting something that will not do the marketing of your company any good. Even if it was an Old lion that didn't have any mane would have made your client happy, when he bought this hunt he realised no matter what you said he was hunting a fenced lion, the issue was that he did not expect to find a lion sleeping in middle of the desert in a tree. We even sent you the clip. The most experienced lion hunting PH that you claimed would be guiding the client made my friend shoot a lion in the back without checking the head of the lion and discussing with his client what kind of a lion he was shooting at. You advertised this hunt as a 3 day hunt and then you claim that the PH made his client shoot the first male lion whose back he saw because he was under immense pressure to produce 2 lions in 3 days. If this was the case why was this hunt sold as a 3 day hunt?

It will be interesting to see all the correspondence.

But, any person who even dreams of the fact that he might be getting a wild lion at this price and 3 days hunting, regardless of the size of the area, is beyond any help.

I agree, and as mentioned above regardless of what The outfitter had told him he knew he is shooting captive lions which as advertised were bred and resident on this farm so the reason they made him shoot a very young lion and the way they conducted the stalk could mean that they had always intended to make him shoot a very young male and the way he was placed in a tree with his head hiding meant they didn't want the client to object that the poor thing didn't have any mane.

This was not a hunt - it was a chattel shoot.

To expect a hunt from a chattel shoot is a fallacy.

The problem is the whole captive lion shooting industry is selling a chattel shoot as a make believe hunt. The outfitters, the phs and the client shooters all want to believe it is a hunt or at least dressed up as a hunt.

I will bet even if the lions were raised on the ranch they were fed dead calfs or some other cheap protein and never hunted any game on the fenced preserve.

Since the lions are raised for bones for asian market it does not matter if the lion in 2 or 8 - the bone weight is pretty much the same. So for $10K you will get two lions that are at the optimal chattel use age not trophy age. I have been told its around $6K in bones per lion.

You get what you pay for - for $10K unless your buddy got his jollies in slaughtering 2 chattel lions, He should have just bought some lion taxidermy in South Africa and shipped it home to Pakistan. Given the ban in lion imports from the US all these chattel lions needs to be turned to bones much faster than before.

Mike

quote:

Originally posted by Beretta682E:
This was not a hunt - it was a chattel shoot.

To expect a hunt from a chattel shoot is a fallacy.

The problem is the whole captive lion shooting industry is selling a chattel shoot as a make believe hunt. The outfitters, the phs and the client shooters all want to believe it is a hunt or at least dressed up as a hunt.

I will bet even if the lions were raised on the ranch they were fed dead calfs or some other cheap protein and never hunted any game on the fenced preserve.

Since the lions are raised for bones for asian market it does not matter if the lion in 2 or 8 - the bone weight is pretty much the same. So for $10K you will get two lions that are at the optimal chattel use age not trophy age. I have been told its around $6K in bones per lion.

You get what you pay for - for $10K unless your buddy got his jollies in slaughtering 2 chattel lions, He should have just bought some lion taxidermy in South Africa and shipped it home to Pakistan. Given the ban in lion imports from the US all these chattel lions needs to be turned to bones much faster than before.

Mike

+1 I don`t understand why anyone would go on such a "hunt". 2 Lions in 3 days is short, but they still shoot both in 1 day. Why bother!
Like Pir said, it`s about honesty and expectations. I do believe that shooting an animal where you don`t see the head etc. Bad practise. Even talking about the Botswana (catlle killers) Lions is bad form.
Did the outfitter do anything illegal, probably not. Does it seem like a good hunt. Not in any way!