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08 July 2009, 02:41
Ed ScarboroInsect Repellent
Is there any restrictions on carrying spray insect repellent like permethrin? I have generally just taken military deet lotion but I have a leopard and buffalo hunt in Zim in August. I think I might need something a little stronger.
08 July 2009, 03:13
Dall85I never had a problem as long as it was only one or two cans. If it is a pump, non-aerosol, there is no problem. Either way, pack in a heavy ziploc with some paper towels, if it leaks it will at least be contained.
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08 July 2009, 03:42
LionHunterI believe it is illegal to transport it via air in any container. In any event, why not simply spray your clothing before departure, as I do. It will last through many washings while in camp and is much easier to do at home. You DO NOT want to apply Permethrin to your skin!
Try 3M UltraThon for your skin. Lower Deet percentage but more effective and also seems to lessen the severity of the Tetse flies. This formula was developed for the U.S. military and was tested extensively in real world environments.
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08 July 2009, 04:08
SGraves155Skin contact with permethrin seldom causes any problems, and, in fact, it is used to treat head-lice (1% solution) and scabies (5% cream to entire body for 8-12 hours). The solutions for application to clothing are generally 0.5%-2% spray. If you have horses, you may already have a concentrate fly-repellent solution that usually contains 10% permethrin that would need to be diluted 4:1 to make 2% spray. A 9:1 dilution would yield a 1% solution. 19:1 would yield 0.5% (same as Sawyers clothing spray)
08 July 2009, 05:02
Ed ScarboroI generally carry anything that could leak or break in ziplok bags so that's covered. I generally spray everything down ---boots, jacket, sweater, clothes, etc. before I leave anyway. This is a 15 day hunt so my concern is that nothing will hold up thru washings for that long. I just checked and the military insect repellent that I picked up is the 3M product. I have never carried the spray before but I have never had my bags searched either. There is a first time for everything I guess. I do have a couple of the pump spray bottles for repellent, just not the good stuff for ticks.
Any other thoughts or suggestions?
08 July 2009, 05:18
JIm YackleyHi, send me you phone# and I will call you and or send me a e-mail and tell you about my exp.Jim
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08 July 2009, 05:43
Ed ScarboroJim,
My phone number is 336-476-7134 or cell 336-688-1642. I'm in North Carolina. My email is at the bottom of this post.
08 July 2009, 12:49
GanyanaYou can also buy the stuff in Harare- the mozzie shop at Newlands stocks it.
I would still treat kit before coming though.
What is the best tsetse fly repellant? A fat American 2 paces behind you in a dark shirt
Sorry, couldn't resist that one- people with high body fat and high blood fat are always targeted by tsetse fly before skinny guys like me
. Research shows that mozzies prefer blood group O followed by A. If you are blood group B you seldom get bitten. How that works I don't know
08 July 2009, 17:25
butchlocquote:
What is the best tsetse fly repellant? A fat American 2 paces behind you in a dark shirt
well now there's a diet scheme if i ever heard one
11 July 2009, 16:23
Tim CarneyThought on this is to permethrin spray your shirts, trousers, socks and put them all in plastic bags until you wear them in the field.
Regards
11 July 2009, 17:43
Oday450quote:
Originally posted by Tim Carney:
Thought on this is to permethrin spray your shirts, trousers, socks and put them all in plastic bags until you wear them in the field.
Regards
It's been suggested to me to take a small spray bottle and treat the mosquito net over the bed.
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12 July 2009, 00:26
L. David KeithI've never had any problems carrying Permanone in a can. I put them inside my boots; one each. As suggested, it is good to spray your hunting clothes before you go and pack in a vacuum type bag. The danger of contracting any number of diseases is well worth the preventative measures. LDK
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12 July 2009, 01:26
SGraves155I have sprayed my shirts and pants in anticipation of Mozambique trip in 3 weeks. The permethrin should stay absorbed in the cotton without needing any plastic covering, as evaporation of other than the solvent (water) should not occur. Will also take a few ounces of 10% solution and a small spray bottle for mixing with water at a 9:1 ratio for a 1% clothing and mosquito net spray.
For malarial prophylaxis, will use daily doxycycline and for 5 weeks post-trip. If malaria does develop during trip, will have Quinine available to take at 600mg three times daily along with a double dose of doxy for 3 days, which should be enough for the worst of malaria cases. Quinine used to be $5.00/bottle, but is now $5.00/pill in US, but can be ordered from internet pharmacies in India for about $0.50/300mg pill.
12 July 2009, 04:08
Larry SellersSG/Steve - Have a great trip in Moz. We will be off to there August 28th so can imagine your anticipation. One question sir? In looking for permethrin spray I found some, but it lists the active ingredient at just under 5%. Is this the normal configuration for permethrin spray? Will be using Melarone for preventative. Thanks.
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quote:
Originally posted by SGraves155:
I have sprayed my shirts and pants in anticipation of Mozambique trip in 3 weeks. The permethrin should stay absorbed in the cotton without needing any plastic covering, as evaporation of other than the solvent (water) should not occur. Will also take a few ounces of 10% solution and a small spray bottle for mixing with water at a 9:1 ratio for a 1% clothing and mosquito net spray.
For malarial prophylaxis, will use daily doxycycline and for 5 weeks post-trip. If malaria does develop during trip, will have Quinine available to take at 600mg three times daily along with a double dose of doxy for 3 days, which should be enough for the worst of malaria cases. Quinine used to be $5.00/bottle, but is now $5.00/pill in US, but can be ordered from internet pharmacies in India for about $0.50/300mg pill.
12 July 2009, 22:12
CharlesLLarry,
The Sawyer pump spray that I like is .5% and I think .1 to .5 is the norm.
LionHunter,
I do not know what airline regulations are, but I did find this on Sawyer's FAQ page regarding bed bugs "Permethrin pump sprays are preferred because they are not restricted for airline travel."
On short trips I would not worry about retreating, but since the effectiveness is listed at 2 - 3 weeks or 6 washings which ever comes first on a longer safari retreating may be necessary. Sawyers also stated "In studies performed by the U.S. Army, about 20 to 30 percent of the permethrin treatment was removed after the first laundering. Thereafter, about 3 to 5 percent was lost to each cycle through ten launderings." So you may not want to wait for the 6th washing.
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14 July 2009, 02:53
jetdrvrquote:
Originally posted by Ganyana:
You can also buy the stuff in Harare- the mozzie shop at Newlands stocks it.
I would still treat kit before coming though.
What is the best tsetse fly repellant? A fat American 2 paces behind you in a dark shirt
Sorry, couldn't resist that one- people with high body fat and high blood fat are always targeted by tsetse fly before skinny guys like me
. Research shows that mozzies prefer blood group O followed by A. If you are blood group B you seldom get bitten. How that works I don't know
That's good to know. I think. I'm O pos, but I'm down to 168, what with all the walking I've been doing. My buddy's 180...
14 July 2009, 02:56
Ed ScarboroCharlesL,
I have looked at several places locally and cannot find anyone that has a source for the Sawyers in the pump spray. Do you kjnow where it can be ordered?
14 July 2009, 07:33
CharlesLEd,
You can find it online at sites like Amazon.com. I normally pick it up at Gander Mountain, but the last couple times I was there they didn't have the pump spray.
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19 July 2009, 00:42
Ed ScarboroAfter a few phone calls to Gander Mountain and other sporting goods stores in the area here in North Carolina, I searched several online spots I normally look at then found it at Amazon.com sure enough. There are three places listed on amazon.com that list it available.
Does the non-aerosol survive the flights? I've taken non-aerosol hairspray before and most of it leaked out of the container. I did take aerosol bug spray in checked baggage recently and the TSA did search my bag but they didn't take the aerosol can.
25 July 2009, 20:14
Ed ScarboroI will find out if it leaks in a couple of weeks when I fly out. There is a statement on the Sawyer website that would indicate that taking the aerosol on the airline is prohibited.
25 July 2009, 20:41
Savoir_FaireAs they say, when in Rome...
Why not do as the locals do?
26 July 2009, 20:41
RVL IIIGet BullFrog sunblock w/the bug spray already in it.
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26 July 2009, 22:31
LabmanI purchased my Permethin at a local REI store. On my last trip to Zim the TSA folks at Dulles airport kept looking at the permethin in the pump bottle for quite some time. I told the person it was bug spray but they didn't even respond. Several of them kept looking at the container in a zip lock bag then decided it was OK.
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